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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAm I naive? too idealistic? Two life lessons - at a farmers market and from lunch with a friend.
I was happily heading for the farmers market this morning for my usual Saturday morning produce run. As I approached the market, one of the plant vendors called me over. He asked me to go to a competing vendor and buy 10 of a particular rare plant - he would pay me to do so - so that he would have it and could propagate it and undersell the other vendor. The person that asked me this is a typical volume supplier whose goal (from speaking with other vendors- this is the market where I sell my tomato plants each spring) is to put other vendors out of business by offering their exclusives and selling them for less.
It didn't take me long - a few seconds - to say that there is no way I could or would do that - it is a process I want no part of. I experience it myself - heirloom tomato plants are no longer hard to find, and being a tiny occasional seller, there is no way I can match the prices of the box store volume producers....most people won't pay a premium for expertise and knowledge, it seems, which is fine - the plant thing is more of a hobby than anything that sustains us. Anyway, I just got home, but have to say that the event colored my morning - and fits nicely into the next part of this...
My wife and I had lunch a few weeks ago with a local garden writer and friend who is somewhat taking me under her wing and providing whatever wisdom and advice she can, since my first book on gardening will come out next year and this means entering a whole new world from my previous endeavors. She shared with me how cutthroat it is - that I should expect bad reviews from people who don't care for me, my methods, or because I don't play the "with us or against us" game in gardening cliques (of which there are many). Which I don't - I try to get along with all, and don't join this or that group. She also shared how much effort will go in to stealing the images in my website, distort my stories - whatever it takes to cut me down and elevate themselves.
Once again...am I too naive or idealistic - it makes me self reflect on why I think things could or should be different - open, sharing, rooting for each other rather than tearing each other down due to envy...
Anyway - My Saturday morning jaunts to the market always give me something to reflect on, and I never know which way it will go. Today is was another chapter in my effort to figure out why people - all of us - are like we are....
And as always, I come up stumped! I guess all we can do is tend our own gardens (no pun intended) - set an example for others of how we see things, treat people as we wish to be treated - try not to give into the anger and disappointment, and find those good things in each day that make it all worth it, when it is all counted up.
Just thought it was something to share.....
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)When I run into similar advice, I resist the urge to immediately act on it, or let it color my subsequent judgment. Yes, some people will try to exploit your work, but the alternative to being naive is to be suspicious of everyone - which creates the dynamic which you fear.
Yes, I'm naive, but it beats the alternative.
The best way to avoid the situation you fear is to live the ideal that you're hoping for... keep doing just what you're doing.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,009 posts)....and you reminded me of a chat I had with a superb bread baker bemoaning interactions he had with another vendor - we talked about projection. It resonated with him; he'd not thought of it that way before.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)It works! I am here to say
and often in surprising ways.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)Nothing wrong with that.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,009 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)ornotna
(10,795 posts)And generous. I have tomatoes growing outside and it all started with a simple PM to NRaleighLiberal.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)Wish I could be growing some of his tomatoes, but I live in a condo and have no place to grow them. How are you doing?
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Birders are some of the worst.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,009 posts)mopinko
(70,025 posts)i have never, in my long life, found a patch of territory so small that someone will not fight to the death to hold it.
it would just be nice if we could all learn that we have a subconscious, it colors things more than we know, and what we think of as rational thought is more likely rationalized thought. instinct, dressed in words.
but i stand proudly with the naive. it is way too much work to be paranoid.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Maybe you are naive and idealistic.
Were I confronted with similar situations I hope I'd behave with the same integrity as you have.
As for the second event, the heads up from the writer, it seems she's doing you a favor so if the bad reviews and so on do happen, you'll have been warned.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)Many would have done the 'favor', it was a matter of time until it was done. I would not have done it.
A few days ago, here on DU, we watched one person being criticized for her stance against the hyper loop. It was a good case for determining what it is to be a philanthropist. Is what Musk doing to push the hyper loop really an effective method for helping others? I've been grappling with that for days and haven't found a solution that sits well with me yet.
Once again, thanks for doing what you felt was right even though you knew your resistance was futile.
NJCher
(35,625 posts)Futile to the overall goal of letting the original seller maintain his specialty, perhaps, but certainly not futile.
This is just MHO, but all NRaleighLiberal has to do is live up to his own standards, which he did. He was true to himself.
I just think your outlook on this is a tad negative and wanted to put in my two cents worth.
Cher
FSogol
(45,456 posts)You can be for or against a proposal (and that is all it is at this stage) without the spittle-flying, hair on fire ranting.
I second your comments to the OP on doing the right thing.
CrispyQ
(36,424 posts)It seems we went through a brief period where there was more of a "we're all in this together" attitude. Yeah, it actually didn't include everyone, but it felt like we were moving in the right direction. Then came Reagan & "greed is good" & we have become more focused on the individual. Also, the digital age ushered in 'virtual' communities, Many people are more connected to their virtual communities than their here-&-now community.
I paid $5.89 a pound for two heirloom tomatoes at my local health food store. I chopped one & ate it with a little pepper & put the other on a Hoagie. It was the best Hoagie I've had in a long time!
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)There is no such thing as good tomatoes in Florida.
NJCher
(35,625 posts)First, I view humankind as swimming or existing in a big ocean. Like fish, humans swim in groups. I exclude myself from the pools of people who are exploitative, liars, thieves, etc. I only have anything to do with people who I consider at the same level of integrity as I. Those are the only people who count to me and I don't pay much--if any--attention to the people in the other groups.
So it doesn't bother me that they do things like what your friend says:
bad reviews from people who don't care for me, my methods, or because I don't play the "with us or against us" game in gardening cliques (of which there are many).
She also shared how much effort will go in to stealing the images in my website, distort my stories - whatever it takes to cut me down and elevate themselves.
The one thing I might do is see if criticism might be valid and thus make me better.
If a person copied my stuff, I would just feel sorry for them for cutting themselves out of the creative process.
I think your friend did you a favor in tipping you off to what could happen. It gives you plenty of time to construct a mindframe that will keep you from too much aggravation.
Anyway, if you take anything from this at all, it's to try swimming with your own and removing yourselves from the ones who aren't there yet. They'll eventually get there, but I don't think you necessarily have to be involved in it.
Cher
and p.s. re the vendor who asked you to make the purchase, a republican would say "that's how the free market is supposed to work."
NRaleighLiberal
(60,009 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Slimy Whiplash the tomato hustler isn't safe in his little world of conspiracy.
Remember, even if they lack a strong work ethic, Karma Faeries aren't sweet little girls in to-tos; they are big, tattooed, and carry baseball bats.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)this could very easily be a story about DU.
Agony
(2,605 posts)as in FDR's Economic Bill of Rights posted regularly by bvar22...
this would be less of a problem.
Cheers,
Agony
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)fella who owns the stand is an old-time farmer, back when there used to be a big irrigation ditch that ran through the area where there are homes now, was how they watered all the crops that used to grow here.
He remembered the time when he brought in blue potatoes - he had the only ones, it was a novelty, and won a prize at the state fair. By the next year, several of the farmers around him, people who had purchased his, had them too.
While it lowers prices, having these grown by a variety of people makes the line keep going, one might see improvements, etc. And it's not like they get it for free - they still have to plant, fertilize, water, and hope bugs don't eat everything.
On the other hand, someone that can't just go buy 10 of the plants and tell the seller they plan to grow them too? What kind of person is that? So just because they have them doesn't mean the plants will thrive, eh?
It's funny - when drug companies try to monopolize, people hate on them. When farmers do it, we applaud them. They are both doing the very same thing, but the consequences and stakes are wildly different.
But I am guessing the first one doesn't have that much to worry about - I bet, at that level, through personal service and caring they can keep enough of their market that it will just nibble at the edges, so they will have to find another way to bring in the money. That's how you compete with others and I see it done every day.
Buddy doing ok?
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Unless the plant in question is patented by Vendor A, there is no reason why Vendor B shouldn't propagate and sell it as well.
GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)at everything. Like leeches.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)I used to be an active member of a general discussion forum. One of the regular posters used to discuss his experiences on a baking community website. You would not believe the infighting and backstabbing going on in that forum. People would try to destroy each others' reputations over something like the proper temperature for butter before folding it into other ingredients; stalk other member's private websites/blogs and make nasty comments etc. It was eye-opening for me. I would have thought it would be about sharing techniques and enjoying a hobby.
Don't get pulled down by the mean ones. Enjoy your craft.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Is in gardening....but then I am naive.
I guess it exist anywhere that money is to be made.
Most gardeners I have know would be happy to give you cutting of their plants and tell you how to propagate them...but then they are not in it for the money, but the love of what they do.