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mnhtnbb

(31,372 posts)
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:53 PM Aug 2013

Who has seen The Butler? Just returned from a matinee

in a progressive North Carolina town.

Wow. Hubby was in tears when Jack Kennedy was shot...I was fighting back tears several times.

What an amazing piece of work juxtaposing Cecil's personal life with his service in The White House.

Forest Whitaker was phenomenal. Oprah was terrific. Horrible casting for several of the presidents.

I do believe all the uproar about Jane Fonda being cast as Nancy Reagan is an excuse for right wingers
to not see the movie so they won't have to be reminded of the brutal fight for civil rights in this country.

See the movie for the history lesson and the work of some wonderful actors.

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Who has seen The Butler? Just returned from a matinee (Original Post) mnhtnbb Aug 2013 OP
Next week, we did Kick Ass (mindless flick) nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #1
I might have to see it again. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #3
I did that with lincoln nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #4
How did Alan Rickman do? Baitball Blogger Aug 2013 #2
He was actually pretty good. Robin Williams was ok. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #5
oooh, Alan Rickman is in it? I just love him. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #20
Four links below to the WaPo articles regarding the real WH butler Eugene Allen... Tx4obama Aug 2013 #6
Thanks for posting the links. I look forward to reading them mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #8
Try them again. I fixed the links - a space got in 'em by mistake. Tx4obama Aug 2013 #9
Yes! Thanks! mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #12
It was a rainy afternoon here and the theater was quite full. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #7
I saw it at the matinee today, too! CTyankee Aug 2013 #10
I'm looking forward to seeing The Butler Hekate Aug 2013 #11
I'm refusing to see it due to Oprah being in it. Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #13
Oh, don't miss it because of an actor with whom you disagree. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #15
Why? kwassa Aug 2013 #22
"the uproar about Jane Fonda being cast as Nancy Reagan" BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #14
Jane Fonda had a great look as Nancy Reagan in the movie. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #17
NANCY REAGAN approved of the casting of Jane Fonda, though--puts a crimp in their poutrage! MADem Aug 2013 #28
I saw it today and loved it. avebury Aug 2013 #16
I'm a huge fan of Lee Daniels so I can't wait to see it Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #18
I plan to see it. Aunt told me about it Triana Aug 2013 #19
The film trashed Reagan tavernier Aug 2013 #21
I just read The Hollywood Reporter (gave it excellent reviews) and the cons are furious. I love it.. monmouth3 Aug 2013 #23
Lee Daniels confirms in an interview in the NY Times magazine today mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #24
Overwrought and hits you over the head with a hammer. zappaman Aug 2013 #25
I suspect it will be longer than 4 months to cable...#1 at box office this weekend. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #26
My family went the other day--raved for two days straight! nt MADem Aug 2013 #27
I saw it yesterday HeiressofBickworth Aug 2013 #29
jane fonda comes full circle BOG PERSON Aug 2013 #30
Great comment. It is not well known that Ronnie was snitching on 'commie' mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #31
From one of the links: Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #32
Went to see the Butler with 9 friends but for me personally FloridaBlues Aug 2013 #33
Robin Williams as Ike? I'd have to see it for that, if nothing else IDemo Aug 2013 #34
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. Next week, we did Kick Ass (mindless flick)
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:54 PM
Aug 2013

and Elysium, before it goes away, this week.

We intend to go watch it.

mnhtnbb

(31,372 posts)
5. He was actually pretty good. Robin Williams was ok.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:00 PM
Aug 2013

John Cusack--whose work I usually admire--was miscast and it felt to me like he knew it
in every scene. Liv Schreiber was miscast, too, IMO. Neither one of them had the swagger,
the confidence, the arrogance of Nixon or LBJ.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
6. Four links below to the WaPo articles regarding the real WH butler Eugene Allen...
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:04 PM
Aug 2013

... that the film was based on.

A Butler Well Served by This Election - 2008
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110603948.html

White House Butler Eugene Allen Witnesses Swearing-In (of Barack Obama) - 2009
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/20/AR2009012004301.html

Eugene Allen, White House butler for 8 presidents, dies at 90 - 2010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/01/AR2010040103444.html

White House butler Eugene Allen's humility recalled at funeral - 2010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2010/04/01/ST2010040103462.html

I hope everyone takes the time to read them



mnhtnbb

(31,372 posts)
8. Thanks for posting the links. I look forward to reading them
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:13 PM
Aug 2013


Uh oh. Links don't work. Every one comes up with an 'unable to locate the page' screen.

Do you have a WAPO account?

mnhtnbb

(31,372 posts)
7. It was a rainy afternoon here and the theater was quite full.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:12 PM
Aug 2013

There was serious applause when the movie ended--not just a smattering--real sustained applause.

CTyankee

(63,883 posts)
10. I saw it at the matinee today, too!
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:18 PM
Aug 2013

Whitaker and Winfrey are going to get the top acting awards for this year, IMO. It might even get Best Picture. I loved the film, perhaps because I lived through so much of the history and remember so much about it.

One of the nicest things in the movie is the interplay between the two sons of the butler. They really played well off of each other. Nice little scenes. Quirky and nice, just like ordinary folks...

Hekate

(90,538 posts)
11. I'm looking forward to seeing The Butler
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:19 PM
Aug 2013

also looking forward to reading the links in this thread.

mnhtnbb

(31,372 posts)
15. Oh, don't miss it because of an actor with whom you disagree.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:13 PM
Aug 2013

Goes for Jane Fonda or Oprah or anyone.

It is a marvelous story--well acted--and a story with which people need
to be familiar.

I was a teenager when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Edited to add: I'm not a fan of Oprah. Neither is hubby. We were both
very impressed, though, with her performance.

BumRushDaShow

(128,381 posts)
14. "the uproar about Jane Fonda being cast as Nancy Reagan"
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:57 PM
Aug 2013

Ron Reagan was on Smerconish (filling in for Tweety) on Thursday and Smerconish asked Ron about whether his mother had any reaction to the choice of Jane Fonda to play her, and he said that she appreciated the "irony" of it, but hadn't seen the movie yet.

mnhtnbb

(31,372 posts)
17. Jane Fonda had a great look as Nancy Reagan in the movie.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:17 PM
Aug 2013

I'm a fan of The Newsroom. Last year I noticed--when they were dressing Fonda's character
in Chanel jackets--how much she reminded me of Nancy Reagan. I met Nancy Reagan--
in the early 80's--when she came to visit the hospital where I worked. She was wearing
a Chanel jacket!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. NANCY REAGAN approved of the casting of Jane Fonda, though--puts a crimp in their poutrage!
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:49 PM
Aug 2013

At least according to this source....


http://www.hollywood.com/news/brief/38139369/nancy-reagan-approves-of-jane-fonda-s-casting-in-the-butler?page=all

Fonda, who is jetting to New Orleans, Louisiana to shoot the production, has taken to her blog to tell of her pride after learning Nancy was happy with the casting.
She writes, "I'm excited about this. I feel very ready to take her on... I know that she (Nancy) is pleased that I am playing her. I know this because a friend of mine, writer Annette Tapert, was at a party given for her... birthday. I asked Annette to tell Ms Reagan I was honoured to be playing her. And, because I have a scene walking down a White House corridor with then Secretary of State, James Baker, I wanted to know what she used to call him (Jim) and would she have linked her arm in his (no).


Hell, if some famous actor was playing me in a movie, I'd want someone in the role who was better looking than myself, too!

avebury

(10,951 posts)
16. I saw it today and loved it.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:17 PM
Aug 2013

I think that David Oyelowo did a fabulous job as Louis Gaines. I loved the relationship between father and son and how it changed over time.

Edit to add: People applauded at the end of the movie.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. I'm a huge fan of Lee Daniels so I can't wait to see it
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:25 PM
Aug 2013

Even with all that 'important casting' around historical roles that no one seems able to resist...

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
19. I plan to see it. Aunt told me about it
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 10:09 PM
Aug 2013

this afternoon. I don't like Oprah but it sounds like a great film in spite of her.

tavernier

(12,368 posts)
21. The film trashed Reagan
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 10:26 PM
Aug 2013

I had to chuckle because Rickman hated Thatcher and knew she and Reagan were friends. With Ronnie such an icon to the repugs, I assume not many American actors wanted to tackle the role. AR apparently didn't suffer from such fears; he has always been a vocal defender of human rights.

Chatter from the Reaganites today... All up in arms because Papa Bush and Bar loved the film, didn't seem to mind the dissing of st. Ronnie.

Heh heh... the fur is flying.

monmouth3

(3,871 posts)
23. I just read The Hollywood Reporter (gave it excellent reviews) and the cons are furious. I love it..
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:46 PM
Aug 2013

mnhtnbb

(31,372 posts)
24. Lee Daniels confirms in an interview in the NY Times magazine today
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:31 PM
Aug 2013

that in casting the presidents they started out seeking look-alikes.
No wonder. If only they'd started out seeking the chops to play each president
and then gone to make-up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/lee-daniels-i-am-not-here-to-just-tell-black-stories.html?_r=0

There's a movie running on HBO currently-- Casting By--which is a very interesting
documentary about the process of casting and highlights the venerable Marion Dougherty and Lynn Stalmaster.
Fascinating.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
25. Overwrought and hits you over the head with a hammer.
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:34 PM
Aug 2013

didn't hate it, but would not go to see it.
Cable in 4 months.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
29. I saw it yesterday
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:00 PM
Aug 2013

so I've had time to let it sink in before writing an opinion of it. First, I loved it. I thought using the life of this man as a vehicle for telling the story of the civil rights struggle in this country was very well done. This movie represented what was going on when I was a teenager that formed the basis of my political beliefs today. I think young people should see it -- to see what the struggle was and to ponder how much, if anything, has changed today, particularly relating to voting rights.

The casting of the presidents was interesting. Some hit the mark, an some didn't. While Cusak didn't get the swagger and ego of Nixon, he definitely nailed the smarmyness and the personal disintegration prior to resigning. The actor playing Kennedy didn't hit any marks at all -- didn't look like him, didn't sound like him, didn't invoke any recognition of Kennedy. There is no one who dislikes Oprah more than I do but that is based on her talk show. But I'll give the woman this much: she was very good in the role of Gloria, the Butler's wife. I can't picture anyone else playing the roll.



BOG PERSON

(2,916 posts)
30. jane fonda comes full circle
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:08 PM
Aug 2013

she played lillian hellman in Julia (1977) - it was hollywood's apology to hellman for deserting her when she got blacklisted

now she plays nancy reagan, whose husband leveraged the blacklist into a very successful political career

mnhtnbb

(31,372 posts)
31. Great comment. It is not well known that Ronnie was snitching on 'commie'
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:48 PM
Aug 2013

sympathizers among his fellow actors.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
32. From one of the links:
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:57 PM
Aug 2013
He looked up one evening in the White House kitchen to see a lone figure standing in the doorway: It was Martin Luther King Jr., who had insisted on meeting the butlers and maids. Mr. Allen smiled when King complimented him on the cut of his tuxedo.


I hope that this incident made it into the film.

FloridaBlues

(4,002 posts)
33. Went to see the Butler with 9 friends but for me personally
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:22 PM
Aug 2013

Saw it last night it tooke back in time when my dad's shop got fired at and we had nothing left of it.
Very emotional for me.
As far as actors they did very outstanding work. There will be academy awards for many actors.
The audience stood up applauded for 5 Min's straight!

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
34. Robin Williams as Ike? I'd have to see it for that, if nothing else
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:28 PM
Aug 2013

I heard he nailed the voice, but still...

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