Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:30 PM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
I am appalled at how we Third Way DUers are treated!
A group of intolerant purists has taken to claiming Democratic Underground for themselves. They can't handle those that disagree with them. Oh no. They have to be selfish, and try to drive people out. They're driving wedges and shrinking the party, and will be responsible for the asskicking we're going to get in 2014!
For example, you wouldn't believe the intolerant uproar that ensued when we suggested saving money on education and food subsidies by having poor children work sixteen hours a day in steel mills. Never mind that the economic activity would stimulate the economy. I can handle some disagreements, like complaints about workplace safety. Sure, a few six-year-old children might suffer horrific burns from contact with molten steel, but they're learning important job skills. But some DUers went waaaay over the line, and became intolerant! They called us Republicans, called us heartless, called us cruel child abusers! It's clear that these closed-minded DUers don't want us on the site! They don't understand that the Democratic Party must be a big tent. Talk about making DU suck! That was just the start. When I suggested that undocumented immigrants be used as target practice for Homeland Security, I was viciously attacked! Never mind that our fine law-enforcement officers need to have firearms training against live targets so they can be ready to defend our country from terrorists. Noooo, they didn't think of that. They cried about people being shot, called me sick, called me a murderer, called me mentally ill. They tried to drum me out of the party and this site for bigotry! I've never seen such intolerance for opposing views! But that was nothing compared to the flaming we got when we suggested saving money on Social Security and Medicare by rendering the elderly down to extract their fat, and using it to make soap! Never mind that the additional soap made available to the American people would do wonders to improve personal hygiene. We were called Nazis, we were called murderers, we were accused of being bigoted towards senior citizens. People were literally telling me to get off this site and get out of the Democratic Party. I am horrified that people are calling for a purge of my views! I've never been treated so rudely in my entire life! I am outraged and offended that so many people dare to play the role of gatekeeper and tell me that I'm not welcome to promote these views here! I've never seen such intolerance! And don't get me started on the NSA! If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide. But noooooo, I get yelled at even for saying that! You need to realize that Democratic Underground, like the Democratic Party, has a big tent, so you must be tolerant of those who disagree with you. So stop being selfish! We're a part of your party too, and you must accept us!
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backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | OP |
quinnox | Aug 2013 | #1 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #11 | |
Fuddnik | Aug 2013 | #24 | |
tridim | Aug 2013 | #56 | |
rhett o rick | Aug 2013 | #62 | |
MNBrewer | Aug 2013 | #18 | |
rhett o rick | Aug 2013 | #63 | |
trumad | Aug 2013 | #2 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #3 | |
jazzimov | Aug 2013 | #8 | |
Bobbie Jo | Aug 2013 | #31 | |
BlueJazz | Aug 2013 | #4 | |
jazzimov | Aug 2013 | #6 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Aug 2013 | #22 | |
BlueJazz | Aug 2013 | #59 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Aug 2013 | #60 | |
BobbyBoring | Aug 2013 | #28 | |
madrchsod | Aug 2013 | #57 | |
jazzimov | Aug 2013 | #5 | |
canonfodder | Aug 2013 | #7 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #9 | |
GeorgeGist | Aug 2013 | #10 | |
AZ Progressive | Aug 2013 | #12 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #14 | |
DeSwiss | Aug 2013 | #25 | |
Fortinbras Armstrong | Aug 2013 | #53 | |
JoeyT | Aug 2013 | #47 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #48 | |
creon | Aug 2013 | #13 | |
Spirochete | Aug 2013 | #15 | |
mstinamotorcity2 | Aug 2013 | #16 | |
RoccoR5955 | Aug 2013 | #17 | |
DissidentVoice | Aug 2013 | #20 | |
Pretzel_Warrior | Aug 2013 | #19 | |
TBF | Aug 2013 | #52 | |
freemay20 | Aug 2013 | #21 | |
MotherPetrie | Aug 2013 | #23 | |
DeSwiss | Aug 2013 | #26 | |
leftstreet | Aug 2013 | #27 | |
RKP5637 | Aug 2013 | #29 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #55 | |
BobbyBoring | Aug 2013 | #30 | |
AnotherMcIntosh | Aug 2013 | #32 | |
BlueStreak | Aug 2013 | #37 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #42 | |
AnotherMcIntosh | Aug 2013 | #58 | |
kag | Aug 2013 | #33 | |
Eko | Aug 2013 | #34 | |
ButchT | Aug 2013 | #35 | |
BlueStreak | Aug 2013 | #36 | |
Eko | Aug 2013 | #38 | |
BlueStreak | Aug 2013 | #39 | |
Eko | Aug 2013 | #40 | |
BlueStreak | Aug 2013 | #45 | |
Th1onein | Aug 2013 | #46 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #41 | |
truebluegreen | Aug 2013 | #43 | |
MannyGoldstein | Aug 2013 | #44 | |
backscatter712 | Aug 2013 | #49 | |
liberal N proud | Aug 2013 | #51 | |
rhett o rick | Aug 2013 | #61 | |
Berlum | Aug 2013 | #50 | |
last1standing | Aug 2013 | #54 |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:35 PM
quinnox (20,600 posts)
1. lol, not quite up to Manny's standards, but good nonetheless
![]() I'm afraid that the NSA spying defenders/apologists are greatly outnumbered on DU, and always have been. This seems to make them very uncomfortable, but the truth hurts. |
Response to quinnox (Reply #1)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:18 PM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
11. I can but aspire to imitate the true master! n/t
Response to backscatter712 (Reply #11)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:08 PM
Fuddnik (8,846 posts)
24. You shall learn Grasshopper.
Response to backscatter712 (Reply #11)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 08:06 AM
tridim (45,358 posts)
56. Manny is a master of one thing...
Being wrong, all the time.
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Response to tridim (Reply #56)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:12 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
62. Ohh the irony. nm
Response to quinnox (Reply #1)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:39 PM
MNBrewer (8,462 posts)
18. hard to compete with Manny....
Response to MNBrewer (Reply #18)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:13 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
63. Yes but isnt that a good thing? Just sayin. I mean I love Manny, er one of them
anywayz.
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:36 PM
trumad (41,692 posts)
2. Manny--- is that you?
Response to trumad (Reply #2)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:37 PM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
3. I try. He's a lot better at this than I am. n/t
Response to backscatter712 (Reply #3)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:44 PM
jazzimov (1,456 posts)
8. Not really. nt
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:40 PM
BlueJazz (25,348 posts)
4. Geez..I realize I'm the cause of your anger but using Miracle Whip in place of Hellmanns. ?
I mean, come on...enough is enough
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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #4)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:42 PM
jazzimov (1,456 posts)
6. .
![]() I prefer MW. I have nothing against those who prefer Hellman's. |
Response to BlueJazz (Reply #4)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:57 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
22. If you are using Miracle Whip...
the terrorists have already won.
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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #22)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:58 AM
BlueJazz (25,348 posts)
59. Meant to say Hellmanns instead of Miracle whip....wrote this to let you know we still have a chance.
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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #59)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:12 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
60. Oh wait...
my wife made potato salad with Hellman's yesterday. We are doomed.
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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #4)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:19 PM
BobbyBoring (1,965 posts)
28. Death to Miracle Whip!
Hellmanns rules~
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Response to BlueJazz (Reply #4)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 08:58 AM
madrchsod (58,162 posts)
57. hellmanns? hell no--my grandmother made her own mayo...
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:40 PM
jazzimov (1,456 posts)
5. Nice try, BUT
you have mis-represented everything.
If you want to refute someone's stand, you should at least try to understand it. |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:43 PM
canonfodder (208 posts)
7. Saw them
I saw them for what they were. Sarcasm. Nothing more.
You're pretty good at it. Let people know. |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:07 PM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
9. Look what happened when I suggested that women having abortions be spayed afterwards.
Some DUers were unbelievably nasty to me, calling me misogynistic, saying I was advocating mutilating women's bodies. They wouldn't have a civil discussion about how this could be an effective form of birth control. I mean if it works on feral cats, why wouldn't it work on women? Again, a group of intolerant DUers are taking it upon themselves to be the ideological gatekeepers of the Democratic Party, and they're making me feel unwelcome here. Again, intolerant purists are making DU suck!
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:14 PM
GeorgeGist (25,170 posts)
10. Can't wait for the Grand Bargain.
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:21 PM
AZ Progressive (3,411 posts)
12. The Third Way = Corporatist / Wealthy Elite friendly Democrats
In other words, Democrats that will defend the establishment from the people, with some bones thrown every now and then to the people.
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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #12)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:35 PM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
14. Oh people were so rude when I talked about bringing back indentured servitude.
I mean, regular whippings would be necessary to keep indentured servants from violating the terms of employment with their employers. Also, escapees would have to be hobbled like in the movie Misery, to enforce the service contracts. But think of the jobs that big business could bring to the U. S. when they are given the flexibility and cost savings of indentured service!
But no, these nasty purists claim I'm not good enough for their precious party, accused me of wanting to bring back slavery, called me a corporate lackey, and displayed a complete inability to tolerate those that disagree with them. |
Response to backscatter712 (Reply #14)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:09 PM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
25. Whaddaya talking about ''bring back indentured servitude''?
Indentured servitude now goes by the names:
Home mortgage School loan Line of Credit Minimum wage earner etc. ![]() |
Response to DeSwiss (Reply #25)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:35 AM
Fortinbras Armstrong (4,473 posts)
53. I understand
Slavery is such a harsh word
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Response to AZ Progressive (Reply #12)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:02 AM
JoeyT (6,785 posts)
47. We have a word for people that defend the establishment and status quo against change.
That word is "conservative". I daren't call them that, though, because they pitch a screaming fit when you imply they might not actually be the liberal they're claiming to be, given that they don't seem to support liberal policy.
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Response to JoeyT (Reply #47)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:12 AM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
48. Oh that is such a rude word used by intolerant professional leftists!
Why, calling us "conservative" implies that we Third Wayers aren't fit to be members of the Democratic Party! Such intolerance for differing views!
Never mind that I think random body-cavity searches at the airport are necessary to protect us against terrorism. Don't worry, we'll make sure there's plenty of lube, assuming funds don't run out because of the sequester... |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:34 PM
creon (1,183 posts)
13. Don't worry about it.
DU is only an internet forum.
Anonymous insults mean nothing at all. |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:58 PM
Spirochete (5,264 posts)
15. I knew Bob Boudelang
You, sir, are no Bob Boudelang, so stop saying that! LOL. J/K
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:04 PM
mstinamotorcity2 (1,451 posts)
16. That made my day.
Did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:16 PM
RoccoR5955 (12,471 posts)
17. Some of us have EVERYTHING to hide...
and if one of our "friends" has something to hide that we do not know about, then we do, in fact, have something to hide!
So if you don't have anything to hide, you better know EVERYTHING that your friends are up to. Oh, not to mention, the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution prohibits search and seizure without a warrant. |
Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #17)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:47 PM
DissidentVoice (813 posts)
20. The Fourth Amendment doesn't cover...
...when you are crossing a border into the USA.
I live in a border city. A couple of years ago when I came back from Canada I got pulled in for "random" inspection. I was held for a good hour-and-a-half, while they confiscated my passport and made a load of entries on a computer screen I was not permitted to see. I had to leave my cell phone in the car...and they can confiscate and KEEP that without returning it, or even telling you why. You can be held incommunicado in a border station and your Fourth Amendment rights are not there until you clear the border. I don't remember the name of the ruling, but our beloved SCOTUS upheld that some years ago. In contrast, the moment you cross into Canadian territory, you are fully covered by their Charter of Rights and Freedoms. |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:43 PM
Pretzel_Warrior (8,361 posts)
19. Don't let a match near that post. An army of straw men
Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #19)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:30 AM
TBF (31,869 posts)
52. Lame.
Do I need to explain sarcasm to you?
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:50 PM
freemay20 (243 posts)
21. And you are first realizing this now?????
Since I joined I have noticed there seems to be some "old guard" and their "there is no rightful opinion but ours" approach to things.
I have served on jury duty numerous times. Most of the time it was a case of some one with a million posts simply disagreed with another persons opinion as it was different than their opinion. Of course the old stall worth felt the opinion against theirs was an attack on them. Each time, I not only voted to keep the post of the newer member (because it did not break any of the guidelines) and commented. I also checked and wow,, imagine what I found? The only people to agree to have the posts taken down were,,,,,, drumroll,,,,,,, other people with millions of posts. Each time; smarter, calmer, more open minds prevailed and the posts were allowed to stand. I have to laugh as newcomers are treated like crap over and over again. It is almost appears that a group of people at DU feel there is no room for anything but the ideals they want to push. Seems there already is a movement like that on the national stage-- and that party is collapsing. Let's keep open minds and not alienate those that could make our party stronger and more engaging. Democrats as a party lets things slip a little and look what happened in 2010.. We need to accept each other before another 2010 bites everyone right in the ass in 2014. It would be a shame to lose the Senate also... |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:06 PM
MotherPetrie (3,145 posts)
23. Balloon -- meet pin! K&R
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:15 PM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
26. K&R!
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:16 PM
leftstreet (34,921 posts)
27. LOL
DURec
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:23 PM
RKP5637 (64,859 posts)
29. "Soylent Green," no doubt the magic cure. n/t
Response to RKP5637 (Reply #29)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:47 AM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
55. Not a bad idea!
You see, as a Third Wayer, I have a quandry. I am firmly against abortion, as I feel we must protect developing fetuses at all costs. Murdering the unborn is beyond the pale. But then we have to deal with the sudden influx of newborns that are born into poor households. Perhaps making babies into Soylent Green is the answer - not only do we provide a solution for families that can't take care of children, but we have a new food source for the poor!
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:25 PM
BobbyBoring (1,965 posts)
30. I hate what I'm seeing here
The Republican party is an absolute mess. There are those on the FAR RIGHT FRINGE claiming they are the real Republicans (and Americans) and all others are RINOS. Although I'm not A Democrat (my registration card says Reform Party), I vote Democratic.
If there's a serious fracture in the only major party that supports the middle class ( all 5 or 6 of them that do), we have a major problem in America (Straight from the No Shit Sherlock view). |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:33 PM
AnotherMcIntosh (11,064 posts)
32. Totally impractical. Even if we agree that poor children should work 16 hours a day in steel mills,
where are we going to find the steel mills?
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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #32)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:55 PM
BlueStreak (8,377 posts)
37. Make food stamp recipients build steel mills before they get their assistance.
I am so sick of these "progressives" refusing think outside the box, the way we third way thinkers do.
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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #37)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:03 PM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
42. Rebuild some of the mills in Detroit.
What's the harm in breathing a little asbestos?
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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #37)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:50 AM
AnotherMcIntosh (11,064 posts)
58. Not a bad idea. This could also help save the lobsters.
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:39 PM
kag (3,969 posts)
33. I almost didn't read.
So glad I did! Big K&R for levity!!!!
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:40 PM
Eko (5,915 posts)
34. Bit of a Straw Man argument there
Dont you think?
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:42 PM
ButchT (11 posts)
35. Pathetic
It's pathetic how "delicate" you all from the Third Way are. Haven't you heard that old adage? "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never harm me."
All these so-called "intolerant purists" have done is resort to words, and you wimps are talking like you were charged with heresy by the Inquisition and stretched out on the rack! Let me tell you, this is nothing! Over on the Republican blog, they grabbed one of their dissenters, tarred and feathered him, carried him out of town on a stick, stoned him, and cremated his battered body at the stake. And all he said was that maybe the Republicans should think about the possibility of compromising on a couple of bills. Now that's something to cry about. |
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:49 PM
BlueStreak (8,377 posts)
36. I'm feeling you, man. They flamed me when I made A Modest Proposal
that instead of fearing a government that ignores all laws and its own Constitution in pursuit of totalitarian monitoring of its citizens, we should actually celebrate that by creating a new reality TV show called "What Big Brother Hears". The premise for this show would be that the NSA would show the most embarrassing footage they have (illegally) collected. It would be hilarious -- Much funnier than Tosh.0 -- and it would help solve the problem where the middle class leeches are draining all the nation's resources, because the government would sell advertising and product placements for that program.
Look, I know we can't all agree on everything. If a person has an opinion that laws and the Constitution should actually mean something, well, you don't see me calling for your Pollyanna point of view to be stifled at DU. So you should show me the same courtesy. And while I'm on the subject, I would appreciate feedback on my newest third way solution to one of the nation's big problems: "Soldiers Gone Wild" sex tapes. |
Response to BlueStreak (Reply #36)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:00 PM
Eko (5,915 posts)
38. Could you explain what you mean by
"government that ignores all laws and its own Constitution in pursuit of totalitarian monitoring of its citizens". and be specific with examples.
Thanks. |
Response to Eko (Reply #38)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:04 PM
BlueStreak (8,377 posts)
39. No. I've moved to the 3rd way. I don't have to explain anything.
I'd be happy to give you an ad hominem attack if that would be an acceptable substitute.
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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #39)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:12 PM
Eko (5,915 posts)
40. No, not really.
I really cant tell if you are posting in satire or not. If you have no interest in a conversation on this subject that does not involve satire or logical fallacies then that is fine. I have been following DU for a while now and tend to agree with almost everything but it seems lately there is a bit of outrage that I don't understand.
Thanks. |
Response to Eko (Reply #40)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:55 AM
BlueStreak (8,377 posts)
45. 1) it is satire. 2) ...
Last edited Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:26 AM - Edit history (1) {end-satire}
2) The outrage results from a clan of posters here who don't seem to have any concern for the 4th amendment, and basically are blind to anything that Obama does. If a Republican did the same things (and Bush did many of these things) they would be screaming bloody murder. Well, this is not the ObamaUnderground.com. If Obama wants to behave like Bush, then he will be subject to the same scorn, and anybody who wants to defend his position on these myriad far-right-wing positions should expect a lot of resistance. {resume-satire} |
Response to BlueStreak (Reply #36)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:51 PM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
41. I know - when I suggested that footage from random webcams be put on my porn site...
... The feminazis howled about how I was exploiting them and violating their privacy. Somebody forgot to tell them that privacy no longer exists, so they should just lie back and perform for their betters!
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 11:19 PM
truebluegreen (9,033 posts)
43. Poor things.
p.s. nicely done!
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:22 AM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
44. This is exactly the kind of post that's destroying DU.
Regards,
All Mannys |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #44)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:14 AM
backscatter712 (26,355 posts)
49. I do my best! n/t
Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #44)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:26 AM
liberal N proud (59,657 posts)
51. +1000
Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #44)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:11 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
61. Yeah, but what's your point? nm
Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:23 AM
Berlum (7,044 posts)
50. The Turd Way
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Response to backscatter712 (Original post)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 07:36 AM
last1standing (11,709 posts)
54. DU rec... n/t
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