So Miranda Was Carrying Stolen, Classified Material. How SHOCKING He Was Detained.
Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden.
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"It says something that seems to support my position! Wheeeeee! I only want corroborating evidence when it's baaaaaad for my position!"
The original "mocking map" looked nothing like that, and was annotated.
He's referencing the post about Evo Morales' plane. An article was written about that imbroglio, and it included a map of the ring road around Moskva from Google, which showed the airport where Snowden was at (A) and the airport where Evo's plane was (B). The purpose of the illustration was to show that it would be no simple task to get Snowden from one airport to the other, because many miles separated the two.
In an effort to completely distract from the material presented about the flight of Morales' plane, which was the actual purpose of the thread, a cadre of people latched onto that map and began mocking the OP because it didn't display Morales' flight path (which was available in the article; there was a link to it, showing exactly how the plane flew, where it turned, etc.).
Classic "pick a discrepancy and beat it to death." It's become a meme which is basically saying "Change the subject! Change the subject!" Any time you see a map of Moscow, the poster offering it is saying that they can't refute the point made, and they want the people on "their team" to mock and disregard based on that small discrepancy in that post, many weeks ago.
It's not a very mature method of arguing a point; the further we get from the Morales "I need GAS" business, the more it seems like an act of desperation.
The documents could simply be those encrypted transcripts of Snowden's private conversations with Putin.
My bad...
And it will be cleared up today (GG ain't letting something like this hang without a confirmation or denial). 
"... free to travel like Poitras ..." is a bit of a stretch. She was detained by the USA "Department of Hammer and Sickle (DHS) over 40 times, for nothing other than producing documentaries that "Officials" (add Russian or German accent to suit) didn't like - reporter's notebooks taken, etc - all of this was Before the Snowden episode. See HERE. Finally, she allowed Greenwald to write a piece about this Totalitarian-style abuse, so the DHS backed off (to preserve the illusion of a "free America"
- and even stopped asking other nations to do the same to her in Their Airports, as they had been - and admitted.
Nowadays, she must work on her newest documentary in Berlin, because Germany is not a Police State like the USA, where "indefinite detention" is the "law of the land," and where it is Likely she would awake to a Flash-Bang SWAT-Raid of her home in the USA - given those are Standard Operating Procedure for pretty much anything beyond a parking-fine, these days.
As I said, the only reason not to use the internet is that you wouldn't want your source to be traced.
Say a man sitting in an embassy who has an internet connection that is very likely tapped. 
Greenwald would endanger Miranda UNLESS Miranda wanted
to help and support Greenwald. Maybe it was safer for
Miranda to travel than Greenwald.
Yes, Mr. Sherlock!
Didn't know Carmen was a deity, that is, a goddess. Maybe they're just worshipping her.
Since when do they let people with stolen, classified material go.
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Brazilian beef barons claim to be protecting Paraguay's Indian lands – by turning them into ranches. Photograph: Antonio Scorza/AFP/Getty Images
Brazil is the world's biggest exporter of beef.
Huge areas of semi-forested grasslands are being cleared to make way for cattle pastures to feed the global love of cattle meat. And Britain is one of the biggest importers:
The price of cheap beef: disease, deforestation, slavery and murder
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/oct/18/bse.foodanddrink
Now, under greater scrutiny at home for their environmental and humanitarian sins, Brazilian beef barons are buying up land across the border in Paraguay – and bulldozing traditional Indian lands there. But, hey, it's all right, they say. Because, in among the ranches, they are creating nature reserves.
Are the ranchers going green – or engaging in flagrant greenwash to preserve their place on your plate? Now one company has been accused of invading the land of one of the few surviving tribal groups that are uncontacted by the outside world, and setting aside part of it for nature. And it has lined up the unlikely figure of Charlie Chaplin in its defence, bizarrely saying British-born "Chaplin would be turning in his grave in shame" at the accusations from his "countrymen" at Survival International, which has its headquarters in the UK.
More at the link:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/cif-green/2010/jan/28/brazilian-beef-greenwash/print
The USA, Russia and many nations are competing for Brazil's bounty with little regard to the results. The demands of population lead to backroom deals most of the public doesn't want to see, so they can pretend innocence, then assail their 'immoral' government.
Just as they demand their gadgets, cars, fuel, electricity right to send their sewage in the river and then scream government and corporate greed and how *they* are causing ecological disaster. Yes, I've been guilty of it too. But I'm jaded by the clueless self-righteousness tossed out in the world and blaming. For me, the solution is changing things, not focusing on the evil of whatever.
Possibly Assange's sabbatical in Ecuador's embassy has implications for trade for their goods. But Ecuador is nowhere near the economic powerhouse that Brazil has become by ruthlessly exploiting its resources and doing things many liberals consider repugnant. Yet we act as if this is going on as a secret. There is no secrecy. We use the resources of what we've deigned to call the third world, reinforcing their relationship to our first world lives and ignore principles.
Brazil, like it or not, has a lot of pull internationally and will call the shots on this. It's not like Britain or anyone else is going to bomb their food supply, are they?
As long as it's cheap, we're all best buddies. IMHO, there is a lot allegedly going on behind the scenes that we create ourselves.
