So the TRUTH is beginning to emerge. Miranda was carrying stolen classified information

[Cali_Democrat]

I told you guys it was wise to wait for more facts to emerge.

It's important to wait for a story to develop before jumping to conclusions.

That is all.

[Bonobo]

1. There is no evidence that Miranda was carrying stolen docs. nt

[sweetloukillbot]

12. Apart from Greenwald saying he was? n/t

[cascadiance]

15. Apart from "journalists" FALSELY claiming that Greenwald knew there were "stolen documents" on it

which there is absolutely NO quote where he states he said this. Those that are lying are those that claim he was saying this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023487282

I think you all need to work harder to attribute him knowingly obtaining "stolen documents", which many are LYING instead about this instead of providing any proof of it.

[Bonobo]

18. Sadly, people do not have decent reading comprehension skills anymore.

It was a sleazy weasel move by the reporter to make it SEEM like the claim had been sourced.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3487377

[Hekate]

2. "wait for more facts to emerge"

Here? at DU 2013?

[jaysunb]

7. LOL ! n/t

[freshwest]

16. Hell, no, what's the fun in that?

[Rex]

29. ...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. What information? And, why is it classified? By whom?

If we don't know that, how can we judge if it was stolen, or borrowed, or non-existent?

[WillyT]

4. Link Please !!!

[Cali_Democrat]

5. ...

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=0

[Thinkingabout]

9. If you are going to Play with the big boy spies you need to be

Really good.

[cyclezealot]

38. For starters keep Whistle Blowers

the Hell away from US or the UK.. Had the Guardian been better prepared they should have routed Mr Miranda through either Rome or Zurich . Using British Air or routing him through London.. Crazy planning. The benefit for Snowden/ Greenwald.. The US and the UK have again ticked off South American countries.

[Thinkingabout]

44. Sometimes incidents are for show, some gets mileage out of doing moves like this.

I have less and less reasons to believe GG has integrity, I would not consider him a friend and would not carry his baggage. The rest of the world does not cater to our laws and as the old saying goes, when you are in Rome do as the Romans do.

[WillyT]

10. We Knew This, Didn't We ??? - Snowden Took The Info And Gave It To The Press...

He also has Wikileak-like "Insurance" set-ups that may not be so kind in vetting their release of the rest of the info.

One wonders if either of the two governments involved, or airport security, even bothered to think about that before going all ham-handed today.

[randome]

50. Do you believe there is a 'dead-man's switch'?

Comparable to all the other Wikileaks-type claims that never materialized? It's a bluff. A lie.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[WillyT]

51. I Do... And I Have A Feeling We're Gonna Find Out Sooner Rather Than Later...

Link: http://qz.com/97885/how-edward-snowdens-encrypted-insurance-file-might-work/

[fasttense]

56. That does NOT indicate the documents were stolen.

It could be a summary listing, or opinions of Snowden. So I suggest you wait for the evidence to come out.

[Thinkingabout]

6. Time will tell, if there was stolen information then it is apparent GG

Is willing to send the one he loves into the mud to do his dirty work, wow.

[nebenaube]

52. The drives are probably just random data.

or a copy of the insurance file...

[Cha]

8. What the hell were they thinking?! Or were they?

Course, greenwald could always play the "I'm not intimidated" hero/victim later after putting his partner in this situation.

[sweetloukillbot]

13. Greenwald got his news cycle and the Guardian got its page views n/t

[Thinkingabout]

46. Exactly, it is about keeping GG in the news, I don't think I would be happy to carry his bags,

If GG would send his partner off on a mission as this I do not put any trick past his attempting. What a way to show love.

[SidDithers]

54. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[Warpy]

11. I gave it the 72 hour sniff test

especially since it took the aggrieved partner so long to condemn it as harassment.

I doubt if it's safe for him to carry his own purloined paperwork these days.

If you're going to make a career of embarrassing bureaucrats--and it is one of the most noble careers out there, IMO--you've got to be ready to have them try to stop you.

[AZ Progressive]

14. Yes! How Dare We Learn the Truth about NSA Surveillance, Cali_Democrat

Americans are supposed to be in the dark, act like nothing is happening and just be busy serving the big corporations and being good shoppers.

[tblue]

28. Convicted and sentenced to 9 hrs detention.

The op is BS.

[progressoid]

17. Wait. So now we let people with stolen classified information go?

[cascadiance]

24. Or we let others SLANDER people claiming that they have stolen information with NO proof go?

It seems that someone claiming this is the case without proof is the only thing that has been established here!

[freshwest]

19. Link posted on Kitty Wampus' thread by Egnever:

Britain Detains the Partner of a Reporter Tied to Leaks

...Mr. Greenwald said someone who identified himself as a security official from Heathrow Airport called him early on Sunday and informed him that Mr. Miranda had been detained, at that point for three hours. The British authorities, he said, told Mr. Miranda that they would obtain permission from a judge to arrest him for 48 hours, but he was released at the end of the nine hours, around 1 p.m. Eastern time.

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/world/europe/britain-detains-partner-of-reporter-tied-to-leaks.html?_r=0

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023487282#post25

Note the abundance of the 'Mr. Greenwald said' in the article. Of course, he is available for comment but wisely out of reach, or rather out of touch otherwise. But you gotta understand where he's coming from:

It’s Hip! It’s Cool! It’s Libertarianism!

...Today, the ruling class knows that they’ve lost the culture wars... libertarianism is their last ditch effort to ensure a succession to the throne... With such a bleak economic forecast for the Millennials, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that our elites want to make “libertarianism” shorthand for “political disaffection.” Now there’s a demographic with some growth potential. And it’s inspired a lot of poorly-sourced, speculative babble about how “the kids have all gone Galt,” almost always through the personal anecdotes of young white men...

None of this should be too surprising. For almost two decades, roughly two-thirds of the American public have supported what we’d call a moderate European welfare state—putting the average U.S. citizen significantly to the left of the Democratic party...

Here’s the real reason libertarians hate the idea. The welfare state is a check against servility towards the rich. A strong welfare state would give us the power to say Fuck You to our bosses - this is the power to say “I’m gonna work odd jobs for twenty hours a week while I work on my driftwood sculptures and play keyboards in my chillwave band. And I’ll still be able to go to the doctor and make rent.”

Sounds like freedom to me.

http://exiledonline.com/its-hip-its-cool-its-libertarianism/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021055465

Love the Exiled piece there.

[JDPriestly]

20. They will have to prove that the encrypted documents were stolen.

That has not yet happened. They may be simply a ruse. I cannot believe that Snowden's husband would also serve as his courier. Miranda would raise too much suspicion.

The documents could be related to the Snowden matter and not be stolen at all.

[Turborama]

23. Snowden's husband?

I was confused before by arguments from both sides so I kept a distance, but now I think I'll just give up on it all completely.

[cascadiance]

25. Yes, he is gay. Which is probably a good reason he's not in Russia with Snowden at all. n/t

[Turborama]

27. Snowdon's husband would have to be gay, seeing as Snowdan is a man.

I thought he had a lap dancer girlfriend, though.

Anyway, I don't really care.

[cascadiance]

33. Ah shoot... Missed that the comment was on Snowden and not Glen Greenwald...

I guess I wasn't reading closely enough since the thread was about Greenwald... Caught me... But it still would be a point of why Greenwald isn't in Russia along with Snowden now...

[JDPriestly]

35. Sorry. Greenwald's husband. Typo. Sorry for the confusion. Mea culpa.

[DonCoquixote]

40. Worth making a signature

But libertarianism? Our ruling class is totally fine with that. Smoke your reefer and sodomize whomever you please, just keep your mouth shut and hand over your Social Security account.

[cui bono]

21. Is that just your proclamation or do you have any evidence with links? n/t

[SunSeeker]

22. K & R

[tblue]

26. Then why did they release him?

Makes no sense at all.

[SidDithers]

57. Wouldn't it be ironic if he Miranda got special treatment and was released...

because he was Greenwald's partner?

Any other courier schmuck who was detained might now be in jail.

Sid

[ZRT2209]

30. "I see plans within plans."

[dtom67]

31. the truth is going to emerge...

That Miranda was detained USING A CONTROVERSIAL ANTI TERRORISM LAW. No legal council, no explanation of why he was detained as a terrorist, and no charges.

No abuse of Power here.

Due process and probable cause; such quaint pre - surveillance notions......

[Summer Hathaway]

32. Yes, the facts are still emerging

But what I can't get past is Greenwald's 'shock and awe' at the idea of his spouse - carrying all kinds of computer equipment, devices, etc., after having just been in Berlin for the sole purpose of meeting Greenwald's business partner re Snowden - would be detained and questioned.

"It's just an attempt to intimidate ME!"

Seriously, Glenn? You didn't see this coming? You didn't tweak to the idea that having told the world you are in possession of documents that could bring the US to its knees, your spouse would never be suspected of transferring said documents - especially in light of the aforementioned circumstances - and detained and questioned as a result?

Are you really THAT dumb? Or did you just want to play the persecuted hero yet again - regardless of what 'unpleasantness' might befall your own husband?

That GG - what a piece of work. It didn't take long to cast himself as the ultimate victim - as always.

[Hissyspit]

39. "This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistical

"This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ."

That's not the same as "ME!"

Singular vs plural?

All the quotes I have read Greenwald says it's about "us."

Greenwald: "The actions of the UK pose a serious threat to journalists everywhere."

"But the last thing it will do is intimidate or deter us in any way from doing our job as journalists. Quite the contrary: it will only embolden us more to continue to report aggressively."

Lots of "us" in there...

[eShirl]

34. Talking points are "facts," not facts.

[DeSwiss]

36. How do they know it was stolen classified information if it is encrypted?

And if it was stolen encrypted, classified information, then why did they let an obvious spy and criminal go? Hmmm?

And while we're on the subject of thieves, how about how enlightening us about how all that stolen encrypted, classified information got collected in the first place, and who collected it, huh?

How about those thieves?

You got any advice for us about them?

- No? Didn't think so......

[Bonobo]

42. Lay off, DeSwiss.

Pick on someone your own size intellectually.

[Celefin]

74. Ouch :) -nt-

[Swagman]

37. the drooling at the mouth of the enemies

of Snowden and Greenwald is an ugly thing to behold.

[Bonobo]

41. There is no evidence whatsoever that Miranda was carrying stolen info. nt

[SidDithers]

60. Until the info is decrypted...nt

Sid

[Bonobo]

65. How to explain the claim that there were stolen docs when it was encrypted?

Whooopsie.

[SidDithers]

66. Suspected to contain stolen docs...

a reasonable suspicion, given everything Greenwald has published and threatened to publish.

Sid

[Bonobo]

67. So why did the NYT print that it contained stolen docs from Snowden? nt

[Historic NY]

43. If only they read this article.....

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/may/15/computing.security

If Miranda was detained he still made the 1:15 BA flight which means he still would have sat in the airport in transit terminal for hours. I'm a bit confused about their timeline.

[boston bean]

45. You think he is a terrorist? nt

[Cali_Democrat]

73. LOL

This is my favorite response in this thread.

[Puzzledtraveller]

47. You are so smart.

[Harmony Blue]

48. The truth is some can't buy a clue

...hint, Miranda was released.....

[HardTimes99]

49. EPIC FAIL (Right up there with that infamous 'map' thread). You should

self-delete before you become an object of utter ridicule like your illustrious counterpart of cartographic repute.

[Capt. Obvious]

58. I've been reading about "maps" on a few threads

So there's an origin to the map wars?

[HardTimes99]

64. OMG - It happened shortly after I started posting here when the

Snowden-NSA story broke and concerned a supposed map of the flight plan of Morales' ill-fated flight that made an unscheduled stop in Vienna. The problem arose because the map showed only the Moscow ring road and a land route between the two principal Moscow airports.

I don't have a link to the thread readily at hand, but it had some of the funniest shit imaginable, showcasing DU's stilleto-like collective wit at its finest.

No doubt some DUer reading this has the infamous thread bookmarked and available for a link.

ETA: I found it! (Thanks to DU's site search function!): http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023164458

Warning! Do not read while drinking hot coffee!

[Celefin]

77. OMG

How did I miss this beauty?!
*wipes eyes*
Thanks for the hot coffee warning

[SidDithers]

53. The truth always comes out later, when Greenwald is involved...

and it usually bears little semblance to his earlier "reporting"

Sid

[KharmaTrain]

55. The Sunday News Dump...

...is it me or does it seem like all these episodes with Mr. Greenwald happen on Sundays? Just in time to get on the Sunday shows and promote his "columns"...

[Waiting For Everyman]

62. You're right, he had his partner detained on Sunday on purpose. nt

[KharmaTrain]

69. Who Knows...

...and I really don't care about Greenwald. Since tin foil flies around this place and rumors are accepted as fact why not toss some more out there...

[Waiting For Everyman]

70. You're the one speculating, but okay I'll play.

Maybe Greenwald is really Sensenbrenner's sock puppet, and secretly authored the Patriot Act so that he'd have something write about.

[KharmaTrain]

71. That's As Good As Any...

...none of this really matters in solving any of the problems of government and private spying into our lives.

Cheers...

[Waiting For Everyman]

72. I can agree with you on that.

[Capt. Obvious]

63. Glenn is pretty powerful

[Safetykitten]

59. Yes, the "emerging truth" is always better than truth. You know, old truth.

[bhikkhu]

61. So its more or less a clown show all the way around...

I suppose Greenwald looks better, as he beat the other guys to the press. Maybe the british police need to get someone on twitter to give their side of every story minute-by-minute...

At least they released Miranda, though it was a bit petty holding him for the maximum time they were allowed without charges.

[nolabels]

68. At the rate the garbage is flying out of the corporate media outlets

Pretty sure i would not believe much of anything without a lot of collaborating evidence

[Scurrilous]

75. K & R

[Common Sense Party]

76. Well, the TRUTHINESS is beginning to emerge.

I like how when you write that one word in ALL CAPS it lends it an extra helping of gravitas. Well done.