How convenient. Re: Miranda

[Unknown Beatle]

Now they're stating that Miranda was carrying stolen, classified material. They have egg on their face, what do you expect them to say, "We were wrong"? They're just trying to justify their actions.

Question: If Miranda was carrying stolen, classified material, why did they let him go?

If Miranda really was carrying stolen, classified material and airport security found it, like they claim, they would have jailed him.

Let's say that they let Miranda go after nine hours and they didn't find out about the stolen material until after the fact. Wouldn't they file ex po facto criminal charges on Miranda since it was stolen and classified material?

Why would the government lie to us about Miranda? The government is trustworthy and would never lie to us.

In other words, I don't believe a damn thing about what both the British and American governments are telling us.

The corporate controlled government controls the press.

[uponit7771]

1. Greenwald ADMITS Miranda was carrying docs from Snowden!!!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden. The British authorities seized all of his electronic media — including video games, DVDs and data storage devices — and did not return them, Mr. Greenwald said.

[Unknown Beatle]

5. If I'm proven wrong...

I'll be the first to admit it.

But, the government has lied to us for far to long that I'm skeptical about what they tell us. We'll see what happens in a few hours.

[uponit7771]

6. I'm not a "gov = bad" person, I don't expect overt truth from ANY gov at ANY time in human history..

...that would be counterproductive.

Gov are run by people and people are fallible the govs I DISTRUST less are the ones who try to enforce some checks and balances on itself and I think the Obama admin has done such.


A republican admin


forget about it

[reusrename]

7. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that they were stolen or classified.

It doesn't make a lot of sense, either, does it?

[iamthebandfanman]

11. Just says

"All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden"

since they were documents from snowden, you could make assumptions it might be classified or stolen.. but that's all you can do at this point..

time will tell

[Bonobo]

16. Nothing in there says that Greenwald said that. You have misread.

Let's review (said in irritated teacher voice):

1. Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said.
= That means that Greenwald said the documents related to his investigation.

2. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said.
= That means Greenwald said the documents were confiscated and on encrypted thumb drives.

3. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden.
= That means that it is an unsubstantiated claim and the author does NOT attribute it to Snowden.

[GeorgeGist]

17. Sorry pal but astute readers will check your link ...

And realize your claim isn't true.

[Rex]

2. But Clapper told the least untruth he could come up with to Congress!

Come on now, cut them some slack! Besides, they went RIGHT back to work with Booz Allen...gosh nothing strange about that. Got a nice 900 million dollar contract from what I read.

They are working hard to make the changes you need to see to forget all about it.

[uponit7771]

3. Also, the more I see "gov = bad" bullshit the more I suspect winger meme. I've never seen this

...many don't trust the gov and gov = bad post on DU in the decade I've been posting here.

No one said outright trust the gov, that's silly... but it's even sillier to chase area 51 aliens vs beating the fuck out of the GOP for 14th amendment violations that are overt and in front of our faces

[Unknown Beatle]

8. Tell me?

Do you trust what our government is telling you regarding the NSA? If the lied about that, it goes without saying that they're lying about other things as well.

The GOP and the 14th amendment? What about Obama and the 1st amendment violations that are overt and in front of our faces?

If I'm wrong about the Miranda incident, I'll be the first to admit it.

[uponit7771]

9. NO!! Who would trust them?! I never expected to either! That's what it means to have some secret

...shit...they don't want you to know about.

In THIS country though I support those who support strict oversight of those who have this secret shit and I DISTRUST the oversight advocates a lot less than I distrust the agencies.

That's the way our gov is SUPPOSED to work..

You're not SUPPOSED to trust the gov, that's too much to ask...

You're supposed to do due diligence in advocating for people who advocate oversight and procedure.

regards

[hobbit709]

13. I NEVER trusted the government. I was taught that at an early age by my mother and grandparents.

In 63 years I've had enough experiences of my own to reinforce what I learned early on.

[kaiden]

15. Agreed!

The renewed push for Jim Crow in the southern states and in Pennsylvania, Ohio and others seems to be a more immediate and devastating problem for us. And we know from history that we can collectively do something to right this wrong.

[pnwmom]

4. They don't usually file charges instantly. Time will tell. n/t

[tblue]

10. That was my question too.

If they had a legitimate reason to detain him, why did they let him go? And if they didn't have a reason, why did they detain him?

We'd be fools to trust any official line on this.

[iamthebandfanman]

12. "If Miranda was carrying stolen, classified material, why did they let him go? "

if I had to take a stab in the dark..
Id say because they were encrypted.. so they don't know if they are illegal/stolen...
depending on the encryption, might take an eternity to decrypt or as fast as tomorrow ...
cant really charge someone with something until ya know whats in there can ya ?

like I say tho, just a stab in the dark..
who knows the real answer

time will tell, as it usually does

[BumRushDaShow]

14. "If Miranda was carrying stolen, classified material, why did they let him go?

I don't know about UK law but in the U.S., the warrant for seizure lists the specific items that can (and will) be confiscated. Later, the police may request that a Grand Jury be impaneled to look at other evidence in an attempt to bring about an indictment on specific charges. And if an indictment is handed down by the jury (listing those charges), THEN they can come back around and "arrest".

[progressoid]

18. Yup. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. No-one official is claiming he had stolen material; only the authoritarian DUers claim that

'Stolen' only appears in what is posted by the DUers (or occasional Kossack) who want Greenwald locked up. We should be clear that it's the claim of anonymous internet users with an agenda.