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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/19/1231247/-Uniquely-trustworthy
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Thanks for posting this Kpete.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Response to kpete (Original post)
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2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Please elaborate.
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Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Speaks truth.
I don't like it. But it is what it is.
R&K
WillyT
(72,631 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)in this comic. o.O
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)The most embarrassing moment to date in Obama's presidency..
KG
(28,751 posts)This stuff writes itself lately...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Cute comic drones, of the sort Centrists dream of!!!!!!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)it lives on the top closet shelf with the Kubrick,Ridley Scott,Frank Capra,Scorsese,Coppola and Cohen Brothers movies to keep them out of the hands of the Grandkids.
I keep the Star Wars and Steven Spielberg crap-ola around just for them,which keeps them entertained.Ugh!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Combat veteran and Hollywood hot-shot Rod Serling transformed "Seven Days in May" from a novel into a screenplay. The film starred Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster. Lisa Pease reminds us what President Kennedy and President Roosevelt faced from Big Money and Great Power -- the spectre of treason.
JFK, FDR and 'Seven Days in May'
By Lisa Pease
February 24, 2009
EXCERPT...
The film "Seven Days in May" began as a novel by Fletcher Knebel, inspired to a great degree by Knebel's conversations with Gen. Curtis LeMay, President Kennedy's contentious Air Force Chief of Staff who was furious at Kennedy for not sending in full military support during the Bay of Pigs incident.
Additionally, LeMay infamously argued during the Cuban Missile Crisis for a preemptive nuclear first-strike against the Soviet Union, a move Kennedy abhorred.
One of Kennedy's friends, Paul Fay, Jr., wrote in his book The Pleasure of His Company how one summer weekend in 1962, one of Kennedy's friends bought Knebel's book to his attention, and Kennedy read the book that night.
The next day, Kennedy discussed the plot with friends, who wanted to know if Kennedy felt such a scenario was possible. Bear in mind this was after the Bay of Pigs but before the Cuban Missile Crisis.
"It's possible," Kennedy acknowledged. "It could happen in this country, but the conditions would have to be just right. If, for example, the country had a young President, and he had a Bay of Pigs, there would be a certain uneasiness.
Maybe the military would do a little criticizing behind his back, but this would be written off as the usual military dissatisfaction with civilian control. Then if there were another Bay of Pigs, the reaction of the country would be, 'Is he too young and inexperienced?'
The military would almost feel that it was their patriotic obligation to stand ready to preserve the integrity of the nation, and only God knows just what segment of democracy they would be defending if they overthrew the elected establishment."
After a moment, Kennedy continued. "Then, if there were a third Bay of Pigs, it could happen."
CONTINUED...
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/022409a.html
President Jordan Lyman: All right, Colonel. Let's sum it up, shall we? You're suggesting what?
Colonel Martin "Jiggs" Casey: I'm not sure, Mr. President: just some possibilities, what we call, uh "capabilities" in military intelligence...
President Jordan Lyman: You got something against the English language, Colonel?
Colonel Martin "Jiggs" Casey: No, sir.
President Jordan Lyman: Then speak it plainly, if you will.
Colonel Martin "Jiggs" Casey: I'm suggesting, Mr. President, there's a military plot to take over the government. This may occur some time this coming Sunday.
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Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)But it is now on the list.
Thanks.
dickthegrouch
(3,169 posts)Doesn't it have to be debated in both houses, voted on by a quorum of members and signed, if passed?
Do they regularly hold 3am meetings in the White House basement?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)then the secret laws are secretly slipped into appropriation bills that nobody reads but everybody knows have to be passed.
tclambert
(11,084 posts)then XXXX XXXXX XXX XXXXXX XXX, XXXX XX XX XX XXXXXX, and the XXXXXXXXX XXXXX XX. And hey, presto, you have your secret law!
dickthegrouch
(3,169 posts)ROFLMAO
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)all the time.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)pointing out that our Emperor is buck nekkid! Poor Tom...maybe he just wanted a pony.
But seriously....isn't Obama even embarrassed to try to sell this load of crap to the American people? You appoint the guy who lies his ass off to Congress and call it an independent board?
Obama is mocking us. There's no doubt about it.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)"Trust me, I have Clapper dealing with it, go back to sleep..."
I don't consider President Obama a true 1%er- but damn if he didn't pull off a good facsimile thereof.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)It defies all reason.
Even IF President Obama believes that Clapper is the BEST operational, most trustworthy person for THIS job in the whole World,
can he possibly be this FUC**ING Tone Deaf to not realize that Clapper is the most recent and reviled celebrity LIAR on the national scene?
Surely he must realize that this ONE MAN is absolutely the LAST person in America who will inspire TRUST for this new "Oversight" agency.
NealK
(1,851 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Civilization2
(649 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)thing I've learned over the the last 41 years of voting in the american system, power at that level corrupts absolutely, kills without mercy and destroys 'good' people.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)about a genuinely decent and well-meaning man who went into politics to truly represent the interests of the people, including the middle class and the downtrodden and disadvantaged. (The film was released in the 1980s, I think, though I am not sure.)
But by the time he was able to get into a position powerful enough to do some good, he found himself trapped, not just by the intractable system itself (though that was certainly part of it), but also by the innumerable small, usually "insignificant," compromises he'd had to make along the way, which were not really major missteps in themselves, but which when taken together added up to a kind of political prison that made it impossible for him to do most of the noble things he had entered politics to accomplish.
I believe this happens to the good guys that go into politics. If they aim for enough power to accomplish anything, they are compromised. If they resist those compromises, they end up as voices in the wilderness, like Kucinich and Sanders, who are marginalized to the point where they have no real power, or like Wellstone, if it looks as though they might actually influence public discourse to the point that there might be some movement in the right direction.
Back at DU2 I posted a thread suggesting that Obama might be a "stealth progressive," trying to get a reasonably progressive agenda off the ground while presenting himself to the real powers that be in a way that led them to believe him to be on their side.
Unfortunately, though, as Vonnegut shows in "Mother Night" and "Cat's Cradle," you have to be careful about such masks, because what you pretend to be--even if for the best, purest motives--can all too easily become what you actually are.
I believe Obama is trying to walk that narrow line, and that he has accomplished a lot of progressive changes along the way. But I also believe that he often slips off to the dark side of the line, not because he necessarily wants to comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted, but because he has a tiger by the tail, and he is not really in control of it, though he can sometimes force it to swerve slightly in a direction of his choosing if he manages to throw himself hard enough and strategically enough in one direction or another.
*USAGE NOTE: Because I am on a Nook, I can't get the italics to work properly, so Ihad to use quotation marks around titles that really should be italicized.
see that movie and it is analogous to the current POTUS situation. Thank you for a well put response. I don't think any POTUS, because of "compromises along the way" and other political system realities like banking and corporate control over the our political system, will ever be really free to be a leader of the afflicted and downtrodden in our society. I hope that nest of snakes can be cleaned out of the 'district', yet I don't feel thinking like that is living in the real world. Thanks again.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)"Is Obama a "stealth" progressive? (Could be.)"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x631285
BTW, a few more points related to my post on this thread:
Although I am often disappointed over Obama's choices, I am also often astonished at what he has managed to accomplish despite the obstacles he has to deal with.
Another issue many people forget or are unaware of is that our political and legal systems are in many ways controlled by civil employees who cannot be easily gotten rid of from one president to the next. During the CheneyBush administration, they aggressively planted their own rabid right wing loyalists in civil service positions that they still hold. And now, of course, the Republican obstructionists in the Senate are aggressively blocking Obama from appointing judges, department heads, etc.
IOW, the Republicans deeply seed the civil service infrastructure with right wingers, then actively prevent Democratic presidents from getting their own teams into place when they win an election.
Furthermore, a president has a lot to deal with. I am reminded of those frantic plate-spinning jugglers on the old Ed Sullivan Show. At the same time that he is trying to keep all his plates spinning, Obama also has to constantly play whack-a-mole, trying to deal with each new crisis or obstruction the Republicans come up with.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)rpannier
(24,328 posts)The word Clap is in his name.
Like they clap for his performance.
The clapping has reached fever pitch.
Look at all those people clapping.
I heard James has the clap.
NealK
(1,851 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)progressoid
(49,945 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,472 posts)I think its his job to appoint the people who will run it. At that time, if the nominations are public, I'll decide if the review is independent or not.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And oddly, they'll find that our national security can only be secured through dramatic cuts to Social Security.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The risks inherent in such a system, of course, will be socialized.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Terror Babies grow up, and when they retire they need those Social Security funds to build more bombs.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He won't be picking the members, either.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/13/white-house-james-clapper-nsa-surveillance-review
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)a2liberal
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TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Love Tom. K&R.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Nobody from my ignore list likes Tom Tomorrow!
burnodo
(2,017 posts)kick
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)It's a coded message that by appointing a known liar, he is telling us that he can't tell us the truth, they are holding his brain hostage. And man that takes some cojones. Or could it be an act of arrogance? As in FU for asking.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)are drama queens.
Ugh.
It's not about them. It's about THIS.