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WeekendWarrior

(1,437 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:49 AM Aug 2013

Re: Miranda carrying documents—I'm not sure I get why

Why would you get on a plane to deliver ENCRYPTED documents on a thumb drive? They're encrypted. If they're encrypted properly, it's very, very difficult, if not impossible, to break that encryption.

So why not simply find a way to simply send them electronically? Use a couple of burner phones, for godsakes. Even if the NSA scoops them, what are they going to see?

These people are either idiots or they knew Miranda would be detained and they're doing it for show.

Just doesn't add up.

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Re: Miranda carrying documents—I'm not sure I get why (Original Post) WeekendWarrior Aug 2013 OP
I suspect: "These people are either idiots or they knew Miranda would be detained" liberal N proud Aug 2013 #1
I think they knew. Whisp Aug 2013 #2
and the PTB fell for it ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #8
I'd say the gullibles fell for it, again. Whisp Aug 2013 #10
It could be a method to show the people how far the snappyturtle Aug 2013 #3
I would think that ANYONE suspected of carrying classified documents WeekendWarrior Aug 2013 #4
This is a very dangerous road to travel. Suspicion? Miranda was snappyturtle Aug 2013 #17
Axiom: Competence is hard to come by alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #5
It's a fine line between clever and stupid. The thing is, Greenwald really, really is stupid enough msanthrope Aug 2013 #6
That would suggest ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #9
Stupid, why? Because some liberal blogs are going to scream about this? msanthrope Aug 2013 #11
I saw someone speculate somewhere that is was possibly encryption KEYS instead of documents Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #7
Well, people are detained in international airports all the time, MineralMan Aug 2013 #12
All the time? No Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #14
Sure it's true. It happens many times per day at international MineralMan Aug 2013 #15
It doesn't happen all the time Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #18
Not to every traveller. But, being detained is a common thing, MineralMan Aug 2013 #19
Right. Because a banjo inspection is EXACTLY DirkGently Aug 2013 #16
Well, that happened in 1967 and 1968. MineralMan Aug 2013 #20
I am encrypt most of my data. TM99 Aug 2013 #13
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
2. I think they knew.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:55 AM
Aug 2013

This is probably going how they planned - so far. National attention once again for GG, Assange and Snowden.

They wanted to get 'caught', otherwise like you said, there are other ways to transfer that info besides stuffing it in Paul Revere's thumbdrive.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
10. I'd say the gullibles fell for it, again.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:11 AM
Aug 2013

Like it or not, if one is suspected of having something illegal on them, they will be looked at.

Just because Miranda is GGs spouse, does that mean he can't be stopped on suspicion? Wow, he could then be a courier for drugs, kiddie porn, illegal animal furs, name it!

You can't touch him, he's GGs spouse - that is so ridiculous.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
3. It could be a method to show the people how far the
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:56 AM
Aug 2013

governments will go to protect themselves to ensure their citizens
are kept like mushrooms.

WeekendWarrior

(1,437 posts)
4. I would think that ANYONE suspected of carrying classified documents
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:58 AM
Aug 2013

would be detained. I don't consider that an example of government overreach.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
17. This is a very dangerous road to travel. Suspicion? Miranda was
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:54 AM
Aug 2013

held and interrogated for nine hours, without an attorney or
immediate access to a phone. I realize he was not in the U.S.
however, the detainment under the guise of Miranda being a
terrorist is extreme.

This was an aggressive desperate action on the part of the British
government. If airport authorities are to ensure safety to
the flights that's one thing. But to hold a person without evidence
because they 'suspect' he has U.S. classified docs....hmmm...isn't
that a U.S. problem not an airline safety problem? The Brits 'suspicion'
was obviously not enough to arrest Miranda but enough to seize his
personal property probably in the hands of the U.S. embassy in London.
It's a..............................................................
witch hunt.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
5. Axiom: Competence is hard to come by
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:02 AM
Aug 2013

This is especially true of people doing stuff that they don't ordinarily do.

It's why I hardly ever buy the "this was all planned" readings, whether that applies to ersatz journalists and their spouses practicing intelligence trade craft or Presidential administrations explaining some failing. Most shit is just incompetence.

Believing otherwise is itself incompetent.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
6. It's a fine line between clever and stupid. The thing is, Greenwald really, really is stupid enough
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:04 AM
Aug 2013

to try to do something like this--either actually send documents, or try a set up.

GeorgeGist

(25,311 posts)
9. That would suggest ...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:08 AM
Aug 2013

that the PTB are even more stupid.

Which given the Boston Marathon bombing is certainly probable.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
11. Stupid, why? Because some liberal blogs are going to scream about this?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:16 AM
Aug 2013

Because Glenn might write another column? Because it looks bad?

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
12. Well, people are detained in international airports all the time,
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:26 AM
Aug 2013

and for many reasons. Here in the US, we do that, too, and frequently. In fact, if you, as a US citizen come back from, say China, with your laptop, there's a good chance you will be detained in Customs, while your laptop is checked for illegal copies of things like current-release films and the like. Customs may also detain you for a time to make sure your bags don't contain illegal drugs, prohibited items like elephant ivory, and other things that can't be brought into the US.

From time to time, people even miss their flights in the process. That's why it's important to allow plenty of time for clearing Customs when booking flights into the US from other countries. Many people have missed flights due to being detained in Customs and have had to re-book on another flight.

I remember a flight from Istanbul, Turkey, when I returned from my 15 month tour in the USAF at a base in Turkey. There was outgoing Customs to deal with. Even though I was flying on military orders, my bags were carefully inspected by Turkish customs. Drugs, illegal antiquities, and other stuff that wasn't allowed to leave Turkey was the goal. As it happened, I had purchased an Oud during my time there, and had constructed a fitted wooden case for it, so it would arrive safely as luggage. Not thinking about exit customs, the case was sealed with screws, since it was to be a shipping case, not something I would need to open. Still, I had packed a phillips screwdriver in my other luggage, just in case. Sure enough, Turkish customs insisted that I open the case for inspection. I did, it passed, and I moved on. It took about a half hour to open the case for inspection and seal it again. During that time, I was detained in a room.

When I arrived at JFK, I had a chance to open that case again, for US Customs, so they could see my Oud. That caused a delay, again of about half an hour. I had a four hour interval between flights, though, so I wasn't inconvenienced too much.

I took the screwdriver because there was that possibility. When I arrived in Turkey, 15 months earlier, Turkish Customs was interested in my 5-string banjo. Was I illegally importing it? Was I a musician? Should a duty be charged? The upshot was that I had to remove the banjo and play it for the customs official, to demonstrate that it was mine and that I was a musician. I deftly played the Scruggs version of the Beverly Hillbillies theme, to the delight of the customs folks and everyone standing around. "Play more," I was told, so I knocked out "Wildwood Flower" and "Foggy Mountain Breakdown", too. By then, a small crowd had gathered. By the time I got out of the Istanbul airport, I had missed the bus I was supposed to catch, and had to take a cab to the Istanbul Hilton, where I had a voucher for a room and a meal overnight. A Customs delay.

If you're taking stuff that interests a foreign government, you're likely to experience a delay. Great Britain has an interest in this NSA thing, because they have a relationship with the NSA. So, Mr. Greenwald's partner should have anticipated a delay. It's all the news these days. I believe he made it to his plane, though, and got back to Brazil OK, but without some thumb drives of interest to the UK government, and perhaps some other items. There should have been no suprise on his part, I think.

What's an Oud?

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
15. Sure it's true. It happens many times per day at international
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:33 AM
Aug 2013

airports all around the world, as people satisfy the curiosity of Customs and other officials. If you cannot go on your way, you are being detained. The time that takes varies, of course, depending on how interested the officials are in what you have. I'd guess the officials in the UK were quite interested in this case.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
19. Not to every traveller. But, being detained is a common thing,
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:10 PM
Aug 2013

for some traveler on the same flight you came in on, or on the next flight, or whatever. You don't see it, because you're not being detained. When I say "all the time," I mean on a daily basis at international airports. The fact that you haven't been detained is meaningless. Others have, and it happens many times a day at busy airports.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
16. Right. Because a banjo inspection is EXACTLY
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:40 AM
Aug 2013

... like being taken into custody for nine hours under an anti-Terrorism statute, and having all of your electronics confiscated without explanation.


What an adorable, completely reasonable comparison.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
20. Well, that happened in 1967 and 1968.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:13 PM
Aug 2013

If I was traveling with that case I build for the Oud today, it would be treated with great suspicion. Times have changed. In fact, I wouldn't even think of trying to take a screwed together plywood box as luggage on an international flight now. Not a chance, because it would very likely cause a much longer delay these days.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
13. I am encrypt most of my data.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:28 AM
Aug 2013

Whether it is through email, carrying around on my laptop, or on external USB drives.

Does that make me a terrorist? Does it make me stupid? Does it make me an narcissist?

Those are all of the arguments seen here today by apologist for the UK incident with Greenwald's husband.

The truth is what we know - there was encrypted data (but what that data is no one has said), Miranda was detained (nine hours which is the longest they could hold him), and no arrests were made (which presumably would have been the case if 'classified documents' were found). Those documents may have been any thing related to the Snowden case but not actually 'classified documents'.

Stop trying to add stuff up when some of it is made up data. Your conclusions will always be inaccurate.

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