Rep. Dennis Kucinich: On the NSA

[Ichingcarpenter]

There was a showing of the new documentary, Terms and Conditions May Apply late last week in Washington DC, and Rep. Dennis Kucinich stopped by and made some very pointed remarks while discussing the NSA's surveillance activities. The (well-timed) documentary



The key quotes come in response to the film's director, Cullen Hoback, asking what would it take for Congress to hold James Clapper accountable for lying to Congress:
Well, you know it's illegal to lie to Congress, but everyone lies to Congress. As soon as they raise their right hand, watch out! Clapper should be held responsible, but he won't be, because that's the condition we're in right now. In a just world, Snowden, we'd be having ticker tape parades for him. But that's not what's going to happen.

[....] We have the CIA, the FBI, a dozen other intelligence infrastructures. Frankly -- and I'm saying this with a lifetime's experience in government here -- it's time to punch the NSA's ticket here. They've ruined the brand. They've destroyed the idea of privacy. We need some kind of symbolic and profound approach here, that says, 'look, you've violated something that's very dear to the American people -- you don't get to do that.' We talk about the death penalty for individuals, which I oppose, but I think there needs to be for government agencies that so broadly betray the public interest, there needs to be a measure of responsibility. And if they go beyond the pale, which the NSA has, they just ought to be abolished. We don't need the spying.




video at link


http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130819/01445524226/rep-dennis-kucinich-abolish-nsa-give-snowden-parade.shtml

[Fantastic Anarchist]

1. Kicking and Reccing.

[dickthegrouch]

2. And, just like every other criminal enterprise;

They'll change the name on the door, get a new account number, change the phone numbers, and go right back to "work". People need to be jailed over this outrage. The infrastructure needs to be dynamited and the storage media nuked, or dumped into the "cooling" tanks at Fukushima.

The fourth amendment needs to be restored to effectivity.

[Egalitarian Thug]

8. I think that a good argument can be made for a new version. This alpha was buggy at best,

and has been so bizarrely misinterpreted in so many areas for so long that it is of little use today.

FDR proposed a second Bill of Rights and many of the deficiencies of the first were addressed.

[Fuddnik]

3. Kick and Rec!

[HumansAndResources]

4. Here is the Audio on You Tube

http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=nvVWnp7fQmU

"... unholy alliance between the corporations and the government..." Yes, I miss Dennis. Where is that attitude in the DP today?

Ciivl libertarians are forced into the Koch-Libertarians fools-errand of a party, the anti-Transnational-Corporatists are forced into the "Green" camp of "Big Momma government" totalitarianism by committee of "we know best," leaving the Democratic Party an empty shell with the Koch-DLC running the show. This needs to change, or there is Zero Future for the Democratic Party.

There is a big split right now in the RP with the Rand-ites. Rand is a shill, so we can steal their "freedom" issues, while simultaneously opposing the corporatists and banksters, and create a strong majority. We just have to disown the Pelosi "impeachment off the table" faction, who only get votes as the "lesser of evils" anyway. A "real" Democrat would gain votes in their districts - not loose them.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Kpete's thread seems to have this covered even

though I posted it first.

I don't mind

But thanks

[Egalitarian Thug]

6. Still swinging the truth bat and kicking ass. n/t

[LWolf]

7. "The unholy alliance between the corporations and the government

now poses a profound risk to our freedom in a very deep way."

"Our first amendment rights get undermined because we might be afraid to speak, afraid to write something, simply because we know someone will, you know, search index or...on what we've said."

Remedy? "Not letting people in Congress or whoever runs for president get away with ______ this issue."