Greenwald---just release everything and be done with it....

[trumad]

Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch.... this is getting fucking ridiculous.

[one_voice]

1. +1

[Cali_Democrat]

2. He has vowed to bring the UK to its knees

LOL

This guy has quite an ego.

[MineralMan]

5. He has puffed himself up to the fullest extent,

and is now threatening a nation:

[SunSeeker]

49. LOL! Perfect. nt

[sabrina 1]

75. That's an interesting choice of words ...

[MineralMan]

79. Thanks. I thought so too.

Biblically inspired, too.

[sabrina 1]

80. I thought you would. A lot of things have been Biblically inspired.

[SummerSnow]

31. Someone warn the Queen

[LordGlenconner]

54. Will he be using the Spanish Armada?

We saw how that worked out.

Seriously though, what a wackadoo.

[cui bono]

60. Link?

[snappyturtle]

77. I "think" this is what the poster is referring to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/20/world/europe/britain-detains-the-partner-of-glen-greenwald.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

Mr. Miranda arrived Monday in Rio de Janeiro and was greeted by Mr. Greenwald, who said that in response to the detention, he planned “to write much more aggressively than before” about government snooping. “I’m going to publish many more things about England as well,” he said. “I have many documents about the system of espionage of England, and now my focus will be there, too. I think they’ll regret what they’ve done.”

...........................
I don't believe Greenwald's words warrant, "bringing a country to its knees"....but by now
we both know how the hyperbole concerning Greenwald invariably tilts. imho

[cui bono]

78. Yeah, I'm sure his words were twisted and exaggerated.

but we'll see if that poster can provide anything to back up what they said...

[quinnox]

3. I hope the info keeps being released slowly

this way, the issue remains front and center.

[Little Star]

8. That's where I'm at! Keep the issue front and center, wake up people.

[sabrina 1]

21. And remember how the same people slammed Manning for just 'releasing everything without

careful review'!! Lol, they don't know which way to turn.

Greenwald has explained WHY he is releasing it all slowly. He is doing exactly what the detractors demanded. Do not release anything until it has been carefully reviewed.

So shouldn't they now be praising him for his care in making sure that what he has should be released or should not be, working with others to make that determination??

This is why they have no credibility. There is zero consistently in their attacks on the messengers.

[quinnox]

22. You said it. It makes perfect sense to release this slowly, it has been working like a charm

The NSA spying has remained in the spotlight ever since. "Don't fix what isn't broken".

[randome]

23. You do realize there is no amorphous 'they', right?

Everyone has an opinion. With 20,000 people or so, you will probably find 60,000 opinions.
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[sabrina 1]

30. When the same people all say the same thing then all change their minds about the same thing,

they become an 'amorphous they'. When a number of people all at the same time change their minds on a matter of importance, then collectively change it back again, they are an 'amorphous they'.

[reusrename]

72. If it walks like a cult and talks like a cult

it's probably just a group of independent thinkers who share the same views and yet deny it.

[Mojorabbit]

81. Same here. Let it dribble out and remain in the news cycles. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Oh I forgot...

He's got a book coming out.

It wouldn't be beneficial for him financially to release all the information.

He's gotta save a lot for the book release.

[ocpagu]

17. Great!

Hope his book becomes a blockbuster. He deserves it. And he also deserves all financial gains he obtains from his job. He's a journalist, after all, it's his profession.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

47. ...

......................................

[Autumn]

6. I want it out a little at a time. Keep it front and center.

And IMO that's what he's doing.

[trumad]

7. Bad strategy...

Dude is losing high ground fast.

[grasswire]

9. in whose opinion?

I see his support growing.

Head over to the Guardian and read the comments sections.

[KittyWampus]

11. No, you see your little clique on DU. And it isn't growing.

[geek tragedy]

28. The guardian comments section is not exactly a representative sample. nt

[Little Star]

10. I respectfully disagree that he is losing high ground fast.

[Autumn]

35. I really don't see it that way.

It keeps the discussion going and the longer it goes on the better it is, as to losing the high ground I guess that depends on which OP you are looking at. Right now, there is a lot of chatter on both side of the issue but no one as of yet knows all the facts. I expect we will hear more as this story plays out today .

[trumad]

42. I have to say---this is the longest last story ever on DU.

I understand it's implications and am on Snowden's side with this.

But--- Glenn lashing out like this is not smart in mho.

[Autumn]

58. I thought that at first, I was like oh shit, you idiot

Then I realized I would fucking be furious if that happened to my spouse. As for him having all those electronics, I have a lot of that same crap when I travel, just because I have to keep myself amused or I drive my husband crazy.

As for him carrying documents, Glen didn't say that. Everything else was attributed to Glen by the reporter, except that little blurb. I don't know if anything has changed on that but if it has that will be posted of that I'm sure.

[trumad]

62. I think the longer is carries out..

The worse off it will be for Glen.

[Autumn]

65. I think it's going to get bad no matter what

Journalists anymore always seem to be a target.

[muriel_volestrangler]

67. Reporters Without Borders; terror law reviewer; shadow home secretary; Liberty

Reporters Without Borders is outraged that US journalist Glen Greenwald’s Brazilian partner David Miranda was detained and questioned for nine hours yesterday at London’s Heathrow airport under the UK’s Terrorism Act, and that his mobile phone, laptop and other computer equipment were all seized.

Greenwald is the Guardian journalist who has played a leading role in analysing and publishing US whistleblower Edward Snowden’s revelations about the NSA’s electronic surveillance programmes.

“The world’s most repressive states often identify journalism with terrorism and now the British authorities have crossed a red line by resorting to this practice,” Reporters Without Borders said.

“We are very disturbed by this unacceptable violation of the UK’s obligations to respect freedom of information and the confidentiality of journalists’ sources. By acting in this arbitrary way, the British authorities have just emphasized how necessary and legitimate Snowden’s and Greenwald’s revelations were.

http://en.rsf.org/united-kingdom-snowden-journalist-glenn-greenwald-19-08-2013,45062.html

Britain's anti-terrorist legislation watchdog has called on the Home Office and Metropolitan police to explain why anti-terror laws were used to detain the partner of the Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald for nine hours at Heathrow airport.

Amid mounting concern across the political spectrum over the treatment of David Miranda, David Anderson QC said the detention of Greenwald's partner on Sunday appeared to be "unusual".
...
The intervention by Anderson came as the shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, called for an urgent investigation into the use of schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to detain Miranda. Cooper said ministers must find out whether anti-terror laws had been misused after detention caused "considerable consternation".

Cooper said public support for schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act could be undermined if there was a perception it was not being used for the right purposes. "Any suggestion that terror powers are being misused must be investigated and clarified urgently," she said. "The public support for these powers must not be endangered by a perception of misuse.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-detention-terrorism-law-watchdog

Liberty has long argued that Schedule 7 is overbroad legislation, ripe for misuse and discrimination, and currently has a case pending at the European Court of Human Rights challenging the power. The case involves a British citizen of Asian origin who was detained at Heathrow under Schedule 7 for four and a half hours in November 2010. During his detention, he was questioned about his salary, his voting habits and the trip he had been on, among other matters. Copies were taken of all his paperwork and credit cards and the police kept his mobile phone, which was only returned to him eight days later after having to pay for its return himself. He had never previously been arrested or detained by the police and was travelling entirely lawfully.

Shami Chakrabarti, Director of Liberty, said:

"David Miranda's chilling 9-hour detention was possible due to the breathtakingly broad Schedule 7 power, which requires no suspicion and is routinely abused. People are held for long periods, subject to strip searches, saliva swabbing and confiscation of property - all without access to a publicly funded lawyer. Liberty is already challenging this law in the Court of Human Rights but MPs disturbed by this latest scandal should repeal it without delay.”

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/media/press/2013/Detention-of-journalists-partner-highlights-the-scandal-of-Schedule-7.php

Juan Cole: Greenwald Partner falsely detained as Terrorist: How to Create a Dictatorship

Andrew Sullivan: Cameron Proves Greenwald Right

Kevin Drum: security authorities can't be trusted with the power we've given them

Amnesty International: Detention of Guardian journalist's partner at Heathrow unlawful and unwarranted


You think he's 'losing high ground'? It's hard to see how he could get much higher now.

[trumad]

73. I'm saying he will lose it by threatening the UK and USA.

[muriel_volestrangler]

74. Standing up to thugs is the correct thing to do

Is your avatar a reference to a hoodie, likeTrayvon Martin? The US and UK governments are in the role of Zimmerman here.

[trumad]

76. Look---

That's fine and dandy...

But I'm telling you..public opinion will turn against him.

Watch and see.

[bemildred]

24. Yes, I remain surprised TPTB are being so helpful in that process.

It's like they want the fuss to get bigger.

[SidDithers]

12. DUrec...nt

Sid

[bravenak]

13. He loves the attention.

I like his views on the Middle East. I agree with him a lot. But now he's just showing out and needs to reassess.

[Th1onein]

34. No, he is probably very pissed off at the high handed manner in which TPTB are acting.

And I can't say that I blame him.

[bravenak]

36. Yeah, I don't think so.

I think he enjoys it. Or he would have FedEx'd it and we would have never known what he was doing. I was the admin and payroll admin at my previous employer and I did some serious mailing. Never had a package lost or stolen or even opened by FedEx. Or even the USPS. It's cheaper too. And you don't get caught at the airport trying to pass thumb drives and such. He knew he was being looked at since he called so much attention to himself and by extension his spouse.
Isn't this the same country who wouldn't let snoop dog in?
He likes the attention. Yes he does.

[Th1onein]

37. Believe what you want. Your opinion matters nothing to me.

Welcome to my Ignore list.

[bravenak]

38. It's nice here.

Warm and cozy! I'll enjoy my stay.

[Hekate]

50. Also well-populated

[bravenak]

53. Cheers!

[TwilightGardener]

14. He wants to use the info to his advantage, obviously. He'll hold onto it, or release it, when it

benefits him.

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. then he also has to expect the fallout from doing things that way...

ergo he is "suspect"

[CakeGrrl]

15. +1

He looks more and more like an attention shill every day.

And he doesn't care who he uses (his own partner now) to keep the spotlight on him.

He's going to brag and blowhard about how the information he's holding could bring everything down, and then NOT expect eyes to be on his partner making a trip to Poitras, but then go all "VICTIM!" when the man is detained?

Attention shill.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. He is not trying to report now....he is trying to shape the narrative to his advantage

he kinda loses credibility by doing that...

[Blue_Tires]

16. Thank you...Been asking for this from day one....

Especially since there have been nonstop teases of "earth-shattering, tip of the iceberg" documents...

[snooper2]

18. I said that a month ago...don't be a poser, release it all

Snowy should have done it himself instead of hiding out in a Russian pub LOL

[randome]

19. He already showed his best hand.

PowerPoint slides!

That's almost as funny as "I am not here to hide from justice."
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[madrchsod]

43. really power point? tell me you are kidding....

[DisgustipatedinCA]

45. So you're no longer "waiting for the facts"?

I'll just mark that in the "all facts established via PowerPoint" column.

[stevenleser]

20. But, but that would interfere with...

... the show

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. It's more effective to put it out in bits to keep the spotlight on the issue.

That way the regime can't cover it up with a few CYA statements and promises of "reform".

[Blue_Tires]

71. My longstanding fear is still that

the longer he holds on to unreleased info, the more likely governments will find *some* way sooner or later to make a deal...

And as I said in another thread, if he has the bombshells, why am I forced to wait for verification/vindication of certain crimes I've long suspected?

If nothing else, he could at least release stuff more often than he's doing now...

[Waiting For Everyman]

26. NSA---just release everything and be done with it...

NSA's information "drip" is much slower than Greenwald's.

[cui bono]

64. +1 But they should do it truthfully next time around.

[leveymg]

32. Gauging from the mounting overreaction by the US, UK and NATO, the current approach is working

splendidly. By this point next month, StratCom should be at DefCon4 and Southern Brazil may seem unseasonably warm:

[Pretzel_Warrior]

46. So the U.S. and Russia are going to bomb Europe?

[leveymg]

66. Couldn't find an illustration of Brazil being blown up - but London N1 will do in a pinch. ;-)

Can't even find a photo of war that Brazil was involved in going back to the "Acre War" with Bolivia which ended in 1903. This is best I could come up with on short notice:

[JNelson6563]

33. But the drama is such fun!

Isn't it amazing how there is no talk about actual revelations, just GG and of course occasional references about all the stuff he's gonna tell us, someday.

Says it all, dontcha think?

Julie

[randome]

39. Someday.

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[LanternWaste]

40. I'd actually like to see that; or, if nothing else, a large info dump of the allegedly critical info

I'd actually like to see that; or, if nothing else, a large info dump of the allegedly critical information.

I'm not pretending to know about this circus one way or the other, but these guys certainly do seem to be dragging this story out for little more than dragging the story out.

Hunter Thompson is the only journalist to date that can make a story about himself entertaining. Anyone else doing it begins to lose credibility as time goes on.

[madrchsod]

41. then he`d go away!

but who would his place?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

44. yeah. you're being a shock tease

[BlueCheese]

48. Maybe he doesn't think all of the information should be released.

Some of it is probably legitimately should remain classified, and it takes time to go through all of it, get corroborating evidence, etc. Note that the Guardian and other papers redacted parts of the documents they released. They don't want to just dump it all out irresponsibly.

[trumad]

52. OK---I'll buy that...BUT...

Now he's ready to release it because his partner got detained.

[SunSeeker]

59. He's not holding it back for "corroborating evidence."

He is already describing it as true-- and marketing it as mind-blowing information. As someone up the thread said, it's a shock tease. And he's doing it for his own personal benefit.

If the actions described by the info he has are so awful, why is he letting them go on by not revealing them?

[Andy823]

69. Yep

All you have to do to get "all" the "shocking", "mind blowing", "world changing" facts is simply wait till the BOOK comes out, and you can pay for the "privilege" of getting it all at once. Of course if it's not as mind blowing as he says, to bad, no refunds on the book!

[Blue_Tires]

70. That ship has sailed

if you're gonna release some of it, release all of it...

[Lonr]

51. We won't be 'done' with this

until we regain our freedom!!!! Get used to it, the ride gets a LOT bumpier from here on!

[LordGlenconner]

55. Hey, authoritarian, why do you hate America?

And specifically the Constitution?

Surely you must if you are not a Greenwald-Snowden devotee?

[KansDem]

56. Release everything from on and around 09/11/2001

Let's be done with it!

[ljm2002]

57. Good idea...

...then people can run around claiming he dumped documents with no thought as to what was in them or what effects their release might have on sources and agents on the ground.

Yeah, that's a real good idea.

[SunSeeker]

61. K & R

[cui bono]

63. That wouldn't be very effective.

It would just bury the story. Too much info to work through by a lazy press. It would be unorganized, too much for the general public to sift through and digest in any logical manner.

Also, this way each time more info is released the story stays alive, which it needs to if we have any glimmer of hope of changing the way the NSA operates.

And as the NSA lies about what they do or do not do, out comes leaks proving they are lying to us. Way better this way.

[David Krout]

68. It takes time to analyze the files

And prepare articles for it.