"One US security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government's..."

[Hissyspit]

"detention and questioning of Miranda was to send a message to recipients of Snowden's materials, including the Guardian, that the British government was serious about trying to shut down the leaks."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014569668

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE97I10E20130819

[bvar22]

1. THAT is some UGLY "message" they just sent.

Message: Received.


Return Message: Fuck You.



Who here STILL can NOT see where this is going?
I would think that this is ONE issue upon which every citizen of a "democracy" can agree.

[NealK]

22. "Who here STILL can NOT see where this is going? "

I'm afraid that there are several people here who need a white cane.

[JoeyT]

24. Oh they see it just fine.

They just like it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. We know, but naming names is against the rules,

That are not always enforced equally

[Harmony Blue]

2. Fuck you British government

your Gestapo tactics are about to come back to bite you.

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. So a US security official is telling the world WHY the Brits detained a foreign national...

and saying it's to send a message?

Fucking wow.

That's some wild shit right there. Industrial strength wild shit.

[mick063]

32. Yes. "This is all on the Brits", is what some are trying to say.

A country that we planted bugs on during an economic summit. They complained briefly until we told them to STFU and start fucking with Greenwald instead. The guy that revealed that the US planted those bugs on the Brits is their "enemy".

This is how much we have them by the balls.

[winter is coming]

4. "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." n/t

[Egnever]

5. From the Reuters article you posted.

"Greenwald told the New York Times that Miranda went to Berlin to deliver materials downloaded by Snowden to Poitras and to acquire from Poitras a different set of materials for delivery to Greenwald, who lives with Miranda near Rio de Janeiro.?

Yea that probably had nothing at all to do with it.

[Hissyspit]

6. It did.

Investigative journalists and relatives are to be seized by the state police.

But it was send a message, too, apparently.

[sabrina 1]

7. What does that have to do with the UK? Is the NSA a British Organization?

And that is just my first question. The second is:

Explain why a Journalist cannot send an assistant to collect material received from a Source from another Journalist, in order to do his job?

Explain what is illegal about that if you can?

[Egnever]

12. weeee

The UK and GB share lintel and resources. This exposes British intell as well as US. Surely you aren't that Ignorant you have read more than enough on this to know this.

Because he calls himself a journalist does not mean he gets a free pass to posses stolen material.

And third according to dear Mr Greenwald Miranda isnt a journalist so any protections afforded to journalist would not apply to him.

[sabrina 1]

18. So now we have an admission that this WAS done on behalf of the US. I thought we were to believe

that the UK was operating on its own and was not working with or for the US. Okay, that's been my opinion also.

So, what did Greenwald do wrong that has sparked such an interest in his family? Miranda is not a journalist, he was assisting two journalists in the gathering of news. Is that a crime now? I know several Journalists who use assistants this way. So now it's a crime to assist a journalist in his work?

Exactly what did Miranda do that warranted having his belongings stolen and being detained and threatened with jail and denied access to a lawyer of his choice, for over nine hours??

No one who has defended this has yet explained the crime and apparently there was none since he was not arrested and has returned to his country which would be very unlikely to hand him over to any Western Colonial State, even 'former' Colonial State. So we have to assume he is not a criminal, yet his possessions were stolen from him.

And where is the crime in a Journalist using material given to him by a Source regardless of how it was obtained by the source??

I don't see any crime here, on the part of Greenwald or Miranda according to the law and many court rulings on exactly this issue.

Maybe you can explain?

[Egnever]

31. Cool! So all I need to do is get a journalist credential

Then I can go anywhere I want with as much stolen stuff as I want and no one can touch me!

Man I am going to start working on one of those get out of jail free passes tomorrow!

[sabrina 1]

41. No, sorry to disappoint you, but you would not pass for a journalist. Greenwald IS

a journalist. And he stole nothing. What he did is covered by the US Constitution.

[Egnever]

42. Riiight

[NealK]

23. "The UK and GB share lintel and resources."

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't GB part of the UK? If that's the case then I'm sure that they share lintel and resources galore. Weee!

[Egnever]

29. Ooh you caught a typo

Brilliant!

[NealK]

36. Typos, plural. And the result is hilarious.

And thank you for the compliment.

[Egnever]

38. Yea it is a pretty funny one.

[NealK]

39. Gracias.

[msanthrope]

8. Greenwald got outsmarted. nt

[leftstreet]

9. Why didn't Germany protect the US from this suspicious character?

He wasn't detained in Berlin

Don't they love the US?!

[Egnever]

10. Not sure where you folks are getting that stupid response from

But it makes you look like an idiot. Why would Germany arrest or detain him? He wasn't potentially carrying anything that belonged to them.

[leftstreet]

11. He had documents that belonged to the UK?

Sorry, I didn't know that

[Egnever]

14. Then pay attention

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23123964

You folks have your hair on fire and your ears closed it would be funny if it wasn't so incredibly lame.

[leftstreet]

16. That doesn't prove Miranda had those on him

Meh

[Egnever]

20. LOL

[Luminous Animal]

13. Except Greenwald never told the NY Times any such thing and there is no quote

from Greenwald saying so. Zero, none, nada, nil.

[Egnever]

15. Wait what?

So now one part of this article is gospel but the other is bullshit?

Good to know we are now picking what we like to believe in reports and throwing out the rest as bullshit.

[Luminous Animal]

17. Show me the quote or attribution to a Greenwald statement that says

Miranda was carrying copies of Snowden documents.

[Egnever]

19. Greenwald told the New York Times that Miranda went to Berlin to deliver materials downloaded by Sno

Greenwald told the New York Times that Miranda went to Berlin to deliver materials downloaded by Snowden to Poitras

[Luminous Animal]

21. No he never said any such thing. You are misinformed. If you think otherwise

provide the evidence.

[Egnever]

26. So this article is utter bullshit?

I tend to agree but since you seem to think its peachy I thought you would accept the articles words. Clearly only the part that fits your narrative works for you the rest is just misinformation.

Interesting how you do that.

[Swagman]

25. actually he said the thumbdrives contained material for a proposed

film about Snowden.

You are making leaps of faith.

[Egnever]

27. I am just quoting the article

Make of it what you will

[blkmusclmachine]

28. What are the Feds hiding?

If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide.

9/11 was just the excuse.

[Egnever]

30. Yea we couldnt possibly be doing any legitimate intell gethering we wouldnt want the world to see

That's just crazy talk!

[tazkcmo]

33. And we couldn't possibly be abusing that power?

That's just crazy talk. (I don't do emoticons)

[Egnever]

34. Who said that?

[tazkcmo]

35. Said what?

[Rex]

37. Impossible!

I was told this was ALL about GG and was NOT a message sent as that might be construed as intimidation. NO NO...I was guaranteed there would be none of that!

[Thinkingabout]

40. How many more will GG send to do his dirty work? He has proven no one is immune to his throwing

them in the mud. GG is trying to show how smart he is, in the world of undercover he has lots to learn before he tackles the big boys. Starting with the fact he continues to push information prior to 2009 and does not push the point the facts changed and he is leaving the idea it has occurred currently in recent times shows he is not interested in the truth. By passing information there is a violation of the Constitution and as a Constitutional attorney he knows he is not delivering the proper information. GG's integrity is going lower everyday. Now he indicates he wants to write a book, it will be located in the fictional section of the book store.

[Hissyspit]

45. Mr. Miranda doesn't have a mind of his own?

"dirty work?"

[kenny blankenship]

44. "Today, we smash hard drives. And tomorrow?"

"Fail to take this hint today, and you will find out."