I was wrong About Greenwald being a PUMA

[Egnever]

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On edit

After looking more closely at this I have come to the conclusion that Greenwald was not a PUMA I want to retract that and Apologize for jumping to that conclusion based on an old DU post from a DU member I trusted in the past.

So Mea culpa I was wrong on him being a Puma.

I will let the post stand because others have contributed information to it and I am loathe to remove their contributions.

Again my mistake and I am sorry for so quickly jumping to the wrong conclusion.

[Demo_Chris]

1. Why not address the subject rather than the many messengers?

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I don't care if the guy is the founding member of the International Kitten Kicking Society. Along the same lines, I don't really much care that President Obama convinced me to vote for him twice. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

[Egnever]

3. To adress the subject we have to weed out the bullshit

This guy is a serial liar. He is the one who controls the message at the moment cause he has the documents. He drips them to fit his narative.

You think there's nothing to learn from his motivations?

Do you get your news from Pravda and if not why not?

[Demo_Chris]

10. Actually the White House controls the message and has the documents...

They are choosing this rather than actually coming clean with the American people. This is not a game my friend, this is as serious as it gets. Right now a whole lot of very rational and reasonable people believe that it is possible (or even likely) that an agency of our government is acting in direct violation of the LAW.

We're not talking scandal, we're not talking some lies, we're not even talking incompetence, we are talking about criminal activities directed against the people with the full knowlege and support of this administration.

It's time for them to come clean.

[uponit7771]

19. So it's the white house that's saying the NSA is "spying" on All Americans?! NO! it's

...greenwald the first line in your repsonse is condescending at best

[cui bono]

26. He's not just "saying" it, he's reporting it.

The White House is attempting to hide it from us.

[AverageJoe90]

31. Very true.

To be honest, I've been concerned about spying for a very long time now myself......but we DO need to cut out the B.S.- Greenwald is a stubborn dolt who's been playing around with this story when he COULD be making a difference, and Snowden is an opprotunistic & cowardly RP-worshipping FIBertarian jackass who bolted for China the first chance that he got to do so.....and he JUST so happened to pull this off during a rather important summit between us and the Chinese & the Russians.....hmm....gotta wonder how deep this goes....(and let's not mention the antics of one Julian Assange, as he's a whole 'nother deck of cards altogether.).

[Warren Stupidity]

32. Ummm.. So if it is all bullshit why was Miranda detained?

You guys are so wrapped around your defense of the indefensible that you don't make sense from one sentence to the next.

The Snowden documents are real and legitimate. That is why Snowden is hiding in Russia, why Morales plane was forced down, why the uk is putting the squeeze on the guardian, and why Miranda was detained.

[Egalitarian Thug]

4. Tradition!

[Safetykitten]

2. THIS is why we can't have nice things.

[Cha]

5. Greenwald's always had an agenda .. and it can be summed up in a two letter word.

Greenwald: "me " Always "Outraged" about his talking points.

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden.

http://www.nytimes.com/...

"Hmmm . . . funny -- I don't see Greenwald mentioning THAT little tidbit in his "outraged" comments earlier, do you? Odd -- to me, using your partner as a mule for illegally transporting stolen, highly-classified documents seems kind of relevant to the story of him being detained by authorities and having his electronics seized, no? And yet Greenwald made no mention of it. Instead, yet another tidal wave of outrage porn was unleashed to crash ashore here and across the internet. Turns out, as is now clearly becoming a habit for Greenwald, that it was all just more "truthy" bullshit -- oh, yes, his partner was detained . . . but it was because Greenwald was using him as a mule to illegally shuttle stolen national security documents.

"The moral? As usually, the lesson is that virtually anything Glenn Greenwald says on NSA matters is either a gross exaggeration or outright bullshit. At this point, only a fool would take anything he says seriously."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/19/1232181/-Greenwald-spins-and-lies-again-Partner-was-actually-detained-for-carrying-stolen-classified-docs#

[madokie]

6. Only a fool would take anything he says seriously

sums it up nicely

[Egnever]

7. Good read!

Thanks for posting it it lays it out nicely.

[Cha]

24. Here's something else that I found that's laid out rather nice-ly..

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hope you don't mind me posting it here.. I think it ties into just who we're dealing with here. GG's past warrants a closer look, imv, since he's always trying to bullshit us.

Great Britain and the USA aren't the only ones GG gets all vindictive on..

"Glenn Greenwald To Publish UK Secrets After Britain Detains Partner"

"I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I am going to publish things on England too. I have many documents on England's spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did," Greenwald, speaking in Portuguese, told reporters at Rio's airport where he met Miranda upon his return to Brazil.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/glenn-greenwald-uk-secrets-britain-detains-partner_n_3779667.html

Anyone else think GG may have set this all up.. b/c who could be stupid enough to do this to their partner without a hidden agenda?

Mr. Miranda was in Berlin to deliver documents related to Mr. Greenwald’s investigation into government surveillance to Ms. Poitras, Mr. Greenwald said. Ms. Poitras, in turn, gave Mr. Miranda different documents to pass to Mr. Greenwald. Those documents, which were stored on encrypted thumb drives, were confiscated by airport security, Mr. Greenwald said. All of the documents came from the trove of materials provided to the two journalists by Mr. Snowden.

http://www.nytimes.com/...

"Greenwald Issues Blackmail Threat: “The US Should Be on Its Knees Begging”"

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42260_Greenwald_Issues_Blackmail_Threat-_The_US_Should_Be_on_Its_Knees_Begging

"When Greenwalds Attack! 10 Examples From His Past"





"10 Examples of Glenn Greenwald Attacks"

1. When the “don’t touch my junk” guy emerged on the scene, Mark Ames and Yasha Levine wrote a piece questioning some issues surrounding that incident, Glenn Greenwald pounced on them. Go read this account by Mark Ames and Yasha Levine, it’s quite remarkable.

2. Benjamin Wittes of Lawfare and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution wrote a great piece explaining why he won’t engage with Glenn Greenwald and the piece reveals a lot of what others have seen too. It is one of the reasons why I quit interacting with Glenn, I’ve blocked him on Twitter and try not to read any of his trolling drivel.

3. Glenn Greenwald set his aim at Wired Magazine when they published the chat logs of Bradley Manning, which got him busted. The targets of his attack on this time were Evan Hansen and Kevin Poulsen. (You may have to Google ‘The Curious Case of Glenn Greenwald vs. Wired magazine’ if you hit a paywall)

3. In this one, Glenn attacks Kurt Eichenwald and Joy-Ann Reid in an epic Twitter battle that is summarized here.

4. One of the worst attacks Glenn has made over the years, which he has never apologized for, involved joining in on attacking a friend of mine, Imani Gandy (Angry Black Lady). This one included tweeting about rape with one of his minions.

5. Ben Cohen at The Daily Banter (a most excellent site), wrote a great piece about Glenn attacking fellow journalists who supported the Iraq War…but of course, Glenn Greenwald told us in his own words how he supported President Bush in his invasion and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s. And of course, Glenn was also supporting President Bush when he rammed the Patriot Act through…you know, that law that started much of the surveillance that Glenn now rails against.

6. Jonathon Chait wrote a hilarious and revealing post titled “Glenn Greenwald is Ralph Nader“, which prompted Glenn Greenwald to attack Paul Krugman…go read it, you’ll see why. And here is a post detailing the attack on Paul Krugman, for making a reference to the NSA story.

7. You have to give Greenwald credit for taking on people who are way smarter than he is. Here is an exchange between Al Giordano and Glenn Greenwald that has a lot to do with the current NSA revelations, this is a must read if you want to be informed and entertained. I wish Al posted more often, he is amazing.

8. Chez Pazienza wrote a terrific piece called “The Daily Banter’s Official Helpful Media Guide for Interacting With Glenn Greenwald” that is a must read for anyone thinking of saying anything that Glenn Greenwald disagrees with.

9. This little skirmish with Sam Harris is pretty interesting. Sam Harris likes to tell it like it is and Glenn got a little bit of push back from Sam.

10. The last one I’ll throw in the mix is Greenwald’s attack on David Gregory, which I have mixed feelings about. David Gregory asked a horrible question loaded with innuendo and completely blew the opportunity to ask a really good one and then hammer Glenn until he answered it. The question I would have asked is “did you have any contact with Edward Snowden before he took the job at Booz Allen?” A lot of people want to know the answer to that question. It seems to me that the protection a journalist has by saying that someone came to them with information kind of flies out the window IF that “journalist” had something to do with stealing the information. And please, any GG minions, spare me turning that last sentence into an accusation, the word “IF” should be your clue. The act of stealing the information and then publishing it are separate acts.

http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/tag/glenn-greenwald/

Egnever

[Egnever]

16. Good lord the more I look into this guy the worse it gets.

Apparently he and Jane Hamsher started a PAC supposedly to donate to "progressive candidates" Then didnt contribute one dime to a candidate but paid themselves handily.


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[Cha]

25. Big Shock! he has to finance these trips to

Hong Kong/Brazil/wherever some way.

I'll repost this from the dkos diarist..

"The moral? As usually, the lesson is that virtually anything Glenn Greenwald says on NSA matters is either a gross exaggeration or outright bullshit. At this point, only a fool would take anything he says seriously."

[Hekate]

8. That was a very good catch

And it explains why I never had warm fuzzies from reading his name -- I didn't remember the Hamsher/PUMA link consciously, but it was back there waiting to be recalled.

Hell's Bells.

[Egnever]

9. There was always something nagging at me about him

I couldn't put my finger on it for the longest time and tonight it hit me.

Hells bells indeed. This guy is driving the worlds discourse on this subject, It is frightening. He has been wanting to bring Obama down since the primaries. And half of this site is falling for his schtick.

Course half of this site was falling for it then as well but I digress.

[davidpdx]

11. Oh come on

You can't touch Greenwald, he's "christlike".

[Starry Messenger]

12. Because ClarkUSA said so?

lol. Desperation. Where is that troll these days?

[Egnever]

13. I am sure I can find other sources

Do you doubt its true?

[Starry Messenger]

14. That Greenwald supported Hillary Clinton to the point he wouldn't support Obama?

Please, the floor is yours. That is what PUMA actually refers to, you know. Although I suspect most "PUMAs" were ratfucking and not actually Clinton supporters either.

[Egnever]

17. Ratfucking is exactly what this guy is up to and has been for a long time.

And it went way beyond supporting Hillary

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[Starry Messenger]

20. Where is the proof he supported Hillary, honey?

Let's see that link, Eggy, and not from Jackeens website.

[Starry Messenger]

23. Trick question--you won't find it because he hates her.

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/09/hillary_clinton_and_internet_freedom/

So you either don't know what a PUMA is, or you do and just grabbled on to something in desperation.

Glenn isn't a Dem, so PUMA (which stands for Party Unity My Ass) doesn't apply to him.

You know, I really never cared one way or the other for Greenwald, but the low-quality arguments against him are actually causing me to pay more attention to this issue.

[Egnever]

29. You are right

I was wrong he is not a PUMA. I looked pretty hard for evidence of it after seeing the reference from Clarkusa and the only connection I can make is his connection with Hamsher who IS a PUMA.

I am interested in the truth here. So I will retract it in my post.

Having said that looking at the financials of that "PAC" he founded with Hamsher, it is pretty clearly a scam to enrich themselves and milk people of their cash with the promise of support for "progressive candidates"

I am glad that my low quality argument is having the effect of having you look closer though.

[cui bono]

28. ClarkUSA... hahahahaha...

I hadn't followed the link til I saw your post. That is rich. And that thread has all of 2 replies. Yet now there is sudden "concern" over this.

[Bonobo]

15. ClarkUSA. LOL. nt

[uponit7771]

18. EXACTLY!!

[SunSeeker]

21. K & R

[Mojorabbit]

22. Is there an echo in here?

Please continue to converse among yourselves. LOL

[cui bono]

27. So what about this revelation makes his reporting on the NSA incorrect? n/t

[Cha]

30. That's another huge difference between you and greenwald, Egnever..

You admit it when you're wrong.

thanks for clearing that up.

[Katashi_itto]

33. Ok Stupid question. What the heck is a PUMA?

[TacoD]

36. A Hillary supporter who refused to support Obama when he beat her in the 2008 primary. (nt)

[Katashi_itto]

37. Ahhh, gotcha, thanks very much for the explanation!

[David Krout]

34. Greenwals so far is a...Hillarybot (PUMA), Paulbot? Let's make up our minds people

This Greenwald guy has proved hard to label, hasn't he.

[tridim]

35. No, it's easy. Greenwald is a dick.

Both he and Hampshire are con-artists.