This is police-state stuff. We need to know the American government’s role in these events

[kpete]

Intimidation.

The Columbia Journalism Review offers a broader sense of the effect on journalism — behavior performed by far more than just journalists.

In light of Rusbridger’s disclosures, http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-schedule7-danger-reporters it’s even clearer that the detention of Miranda is part of an attack on American journalists authorized at the highest levels of the British government, and it’s an attack that is at the very least implicitly backed by the Obama administration. …

This is police-state stuff. We need to know the American government’s role in these events—and its stance on them—sooner rather than later.

MORE:
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/guardian_bombshells_in_an_esca.php



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Would NOT Could

The British Home Office released a statement about the Miranda incident. It reads, in part:

If the police believe that an individual is in possession of highly sensitive stolen information that would help terrorism, then they should act and the law provides them with a framework to do that. Those who oppose this sort of action need to think about what they are condoning.

The most important word in that statement is "would." Not "could" help terrorism — a standard so loose that it might apply to millions of pieces of information and real-world objects. But "would." The British appear to be echoing the NSA's line that detailing how the government does its work is itself an aid to terrorists. (A claim perhaps undermined by the recent embassy closures.) It also appears to echo the argument made by the government in the Bradley Manning case: publishing information is aiding the enemy.


MORE:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/08/why-miranda-detention-should-make-you-nervous/68519/

[MotherPetrie]

1. K&R

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. K&R!

[snappyturtle]

3. So what should journalists do? Acquiesce? Step away? or Push back?

From the Atlanta Wire link:

In the battle with the security state, those who might commit acts of journalism have three choices: acquiesce, push back, or step away.

IMHO Miranda is doing right to 'push back'.


K&R

[nashville_brook]

4. k and r

[blackspade]

5. The Home Office response is utter bullshit.

[Arctic Dave]

6. Makes kind of wonder just how far the NSA crept into the British intelligence services.

I think they will be embarrassed to show they became the lapdog of the US.

[lark]

9. They are totally used to being our government's lapdog.

Tony Blair made being a poodle a high art form. They are arm in arm with us in foisting false informaton on the world to start a war of choice and in continuing the police state that this started - as designed.

[avaistheone1]

7. KICK

[George II]

8. You're assuming that there was an American government role?

[woo me with science]

10. K&R

[eilen]

11. 1984... or Cory Doctorow's Little Brother.

and this from The Guardian:

David Davis, the former shadow home secretary, said the Home Office should issue a detailed response in light of the White House disclosure. Davis told the Guardian: "I find it wholly implausible that the Metropolitan Police would have taken such a decision and somehow notify the White House but not notify the home secretary ... Therefore the government has to say what was going on here. We are a country where freedom of speech and freedom of movement are fundamental and that is never more true when you are talking about journalists holding the light up to the actions of government."

[link:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/white-house-david-miranda-heads-up|

[DeSwiss]

12. K&R

''...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.''

The American Declaration of Independence

[backscatter712]

13. The UK is even further down the road to going full-Nazi than the US is. n/t

[WillyT]

14. K & R !!!

[LuvNewcastle]

15. If we don't do something about it now, I fear we'll never be able to.

[Progressive dog]

16. Obviously the evil US government is involved

in anything bad that happens in the world.That's why I'm a Democrat, because I hate the people I vote for.