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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:00 PM Aug 2013

Miranda's rights: how Europe can learn from Latin America's independence

Miranda's rights: how Europe can learn from Latin America's independence

Brazil's action over the detention of Glenn Greenwald's partner shows South American nations no longer toe Washington's line

Mark Weisbrot


Secretary of State John Kerry meeting Brazil's Antonio Patriota, 2013
US Secretary of State John Kerry and his Brazilian counterpart, Antonio Patriota, meeting this month in Brazil. Patriota told Kerry that the NSA must 'stop practices that violate sovereignty'. Photograph: Evaristo SA/AFP


With a few exceptions, most of Europe hasn't had an independent foreign policy for the past 70 years, and the UK stands out as a prime example of this. I remember discussing British foreign policy with a UK member of Parliament a few years ago, and he said to me:

Do you want to know what the Foreign Office is going to do? Just ask the (US) State Department.

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It is interesting, too, because the UK government had previously kept a relatively low public profile on the Snowden case, despite the fact that Snowden had leaked files from its own intelligence-gathering and not just the NSA's. Until Sunday, it looked as though the British authorities had learned at least a little bit about public relations after their international embarrassment last year, when they threatened to invade Ecuador's embassy in order to capture Julian Assange. Nevertheless, they are still keeping Assange trapped in the Ecuadorean embassy, illegally, and presumably at the behest of you-know-who.

Now, the editor of the Guardian, Alan Rusbridger, has revealed that the UK government, at the highest levels, has been very seriously threatening and harassing his newspaper in an attempt to silence its reporting.

At the other end of the spectrum of national sovereignty are the independent nations of Latin America, three of whom have officially offered Snowden asylum, and others who would never turn him over to the United States if he were to land on their territory (or seek asylum in their embassies). These governments have played a significant role in the Snowden affair and NSA spying scandal because they have achieved a "second independence" over the past 15 years – one that enables them to pursue an autonomous foreign policy.

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On the positive side, Latin America has done quite well over the past decade, since its people became free enough to elect left governments. These have subsequently led the fight for independence and transformed regional relations. Regional poverty dropped from 41.5% to 29.6% from 2003 to 2009, after showing no significant improvement for more than 20 years. Income per person has grown by more than 2% annually over the past decade, as opposed to just 0.3% over the prior 20 years – when Washington's influence over economic policy in Latin America was enormous.

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/20/miranda-rights-europe-latin-america?CMP=twt_gu
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Miranda's rights: how Europe can learn from Latin America's independence (Original Post) Catherina Aug 2013 OP
. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #1
What does Miranda's sexual orientation have to do with his detention by the UK? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #2
You're right. I can't imagine what I was thinking doubting the open-mindedness of the authorities. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #3
So do you think his sexual orientation played a part in his detention at Heathrow? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #10
BRAZIL CHIEF DETAINED IN YOUTUBE CASE- KittyWampus Aug 2013 #4
What does that have to do with the OP? n/t ocpagu Aug 2013 #5
Europe could learn a thing or two from Brazil Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #7
Sure it could. ocpagu Aug 2013 #9
Wonderful thread as usual, Catherina. Thank you. n/t ocpagu Aug 2013 #6
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #8
DURec! bvar22 Aug 2013 #11

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
1. .
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:27 PM
Aug 2013

You have no right to be gay.
You have no right to be the gay partner of the politically inconvenient.
If you forfeit these non-rights anything someone else says or does can be used against you outside a court of law.
Do you understand these rights?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
10. So do you think his sexual orientation played a part in his detention at Heathrow?
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:56 PM
Aug 2013

Do you have evidence of this?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
4. BRAZIL CHIEF DETAINED IN YOUTUBE CASE-
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:40 PM
Aug 2013

BRAZIL CHIEF DETAINED IN YOUTUBE CASE-

RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — Google Inc.'s head of operations in Brazil was detained by the country's federal police Wednesday after the company failed to heed a judge's order to take down YouTube videos that the court ruled violate Brazilian electoral law.

The detention came as another court ordered YouTube to remove clips of an anti-Islam film that has been blamed for deadly protests by Muslims around the globe, both joining a spate of court-ordered content-removal cases against Google's video-sharing website in Brazil.

The arrest of Google executive Fabio Jose Silva Coelho was announced in Sao Paulo. A press release issued by the federal police said he was not expected to remain in jail and should be released later in the day after signing a document promising to appear in court.

Brazil's strict electoral laws limit what critics can say on television, radio and the Internet about candidates for office. Ahead of municipal elections next month, Google has received repeated requests to remove Web videos that allegedly violate those restrictions.




http://bigstory.ap.org/article/brazilian-court-bans-anti-islam-film-youtube

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
9. Sure it could.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:53 PM
Aug 2013

Arresting a multimillionaire CEO of such a large private company such as Google for violating local laws is something that you'll hardly see in Europe, for example. European governments serve their CEOs, after all. If the law is against them, they change the law.

There's a lot more Europe could learn, of course, from refusing failed neoliberal policies, passing by establishing social security programs that advance equality and reduce poverty, to learning what is an independent foreign policy.

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