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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:24 PM Aug 2013

Sick.



AN Oklahoma court has been told how one of the boys accused of murdering Melbourne baseballer Chris Lane danced as he was being booked into jail.



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He also said the killer left a chilling message on Facebook before the spree - "Bang. Two drops in two hours".


Are some people born beyond redemption, or is every monster a partial creation of his environment?

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/two-teens-charged-with-murdering-melbourne-baseball-player-chris-lane/story-fnii5sms-1226700172461
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Sick. (Original Post) geek tragedy Aug 2013 OP
Two, meaning he killed someone else too? BainsBane Aug 2013 #1
They were planning to kill another before they were caught. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #3
It is an incredibly disturbing case BainsBane Aug 2013 #4
Sounds like a sociopath. Lisa D Aug 2013 #2
That is horrible. Sissyk Aug 2013 #5
There's usually a leader laundry_queen Aug 2013 #10
You just never know when you'll run across a human monster. TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #6
Life in prison, no hope for parole. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #7
These kids are really going to be bored in prison npk Aug 2013 #8
For the safety of their fellow inmates I hope they remain bored nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #9
I'm sure their fellow inmates will keep them from being bored burnodo Aug 2013 #11
God this is just horrible... one_voice Aug 2013 #12
I still can't believe that this even happened... tallahasseedem Aug 2013 #13
I will be honest. DevonRex Aug 2013 #14
I don't think they're born that way YarnAddict Aug 2013 #18
i would like to know if they have previous crimes or other problems JI7 Aug 2013 #15
A cull. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #16
I believe 'Bang Pt. 2' refers to an album 'dropping' (being released) X_Digger Aug 2013 #17
really sad Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #19
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. They were planning to kill another before they were caught.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:27 PM
Aug 2013

I guess killing one human being wasn't entertaining enough for them.

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
2. Sounds like a sociopath.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:26 PM
Aug 2013

And sadly, some people are unable to feel human emotions or a have conscience due to a psychological disorder and/or severe physical/emotional abuse or neglect during childhood.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
5. That is horrible.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:31 PM
Aug 2013

HLN just said police stated the boys said they had nothing better to do. How sick and horrifying is that.

Yes, I believe some are born without redemption. However, wouldn't it be rare for three such individuals to be together? So, I think it's both. Some irredeemable, some created by their environment.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
10. There's usually a leader
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:01 PM
Aug 2013

the others are either so desperate to 'belong' to a group that they don't care WHAT they have to do to feel accepted, or the others are also sociopaths, like the leader, who are trying to prove themselves. It's a game to them.

Every time sociopathy comes up there's a back and forth about nature or nurture. I believe it's both. I think sociopaths are born with a genetic brain defect (or sometimes a brain injury) that predisposes them to be unable to feel empathy unless they are specifically taught and shown as very small babies/children so they can rewire their brains. If there is even a small amount of dysfunction in the family, it can lead to horrible consequences for the child who is predisposed to sociopathy and to the family that has to deal with them. Usually, since sociopathy (or the predisposition in the brain) is also often genetic you will often find families of these children have a long history of dysfunction and sociopathic behavior. I was married to one, and it definitely ran in his family.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
6. You just never know when you'll run across a human monster.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:33 PM
Aug 2013

It's just bad luck. I don't support the death penalty, especially not for juveniles, but a primitive part of me wants these kids to face it just because, hey, "we're bored".

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
12. God this is just horrible...
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:09 PM
Aug 2013

I cannot not even begin to comprehend this kind of evil.

That poor family.

Lock 'em up and throw away the key. There is something so very wrong with these kids....and saying that makes me sad too.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
14. I will be honest.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:16 PM
Aug 2013

I think some people are absolutely born without any empathy or caring or feeling for other living beings. And they will never have it.

Most are smart enough to fake it because they learn life is difficult for them if they appear to be different. A few fake it well.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
18. I don't think they're born that way
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:47 PM
Aug 2013

I think they become that way. Maybe they never bonded with their mothers, or other caregivers. Maybe horrible things happened to them as small children that corrupted their characters. Whatever . . .

I just can't believe that an innocent little baby could lack that spark of humanity.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
15. i would like to know if they have previous crimes or other problems
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:32 PM
Aug 2013

like at school.

they should be locked away for life. no chance of ever getting out.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
16. A cull.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:39 PM
Aug 2013

Sorry* if that sounds harsh, but that one's a cull. There is no reason a POS like that should continue to waste oxygen (and potentially pollute the gene pool).

*Okay, that's a fib: I'm not sorry.

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