Manning tossed in a hole, Bushco to be immune to war crimes... What a proud time to be a democrat!

[whatchamacallit]

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This is not my hope and change...

[polichick]

1. Change won't come through this party - the sooner people get that...

the better.

We have one corporate/mic party with two faces - time to wake up.

[SidDithers]

4. Which party will change come through?...nt

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

5. There was a time when that would be easy to answer, Sid

Not anymore.

[polichick]

6. The good news is that there is a growing number of people...

especially in the younger generation, who understand that we really only have one party - and that party does not represent the people.

Critical mass will be reached eventually.

[G_j]

8. you want the truth?

none, nada, zero

[Wilms]

9. The DEMOCRATIC Party, of course.

We're now into the fourth term of Third-Way Party presidents.

Say, "No way!" to the Third-Way and Hillary. We've had enough of it.

[Junkdrawer]

10. Communist Party of China

It will take a little while, but they're doing a GREAT job of waiting us out and letting us destroy ourselves.

Though I'm not sure I (or my boy) will like the change.

[polichick]

12. I agree - if the American people don't wake up in time.

[Cleita]

33. The party of pitchforks and torches I'm afraid.

American democracy is in a real crisis right now and our party won't do anything about it until we light a bonfire under them.

[99Forever]

47. None that exists today.

Both of the worthless dinosaurs are facing extinction.

[TBF]

49. For once you got the right answer.

It won't come through a party. The president is an administrator of an empire.

It will come when we in the streets have enough power to demand it.

[MotherPetrie]

2. The betrayal really is stomach-churning and -turning.

[PowerToThePeople]

3. I'll add to that

[drhobo]

7. left / right? doesnt matter

As long as it helps the State. BushCo can't face justice since the current admin just picked up where he left off in terms of growing government power.

Move along citizen, do not question your superiors

[MisterP]

41. left? he's just the 6th neoliberal economic-dismantling overseer in a row

[Egalitarian Thug]

11. It's looking very familiar...

Most of the parasite class, and particularly those that ordered this, were Democrats then as well. Party doesn't matter when the same people own both teams.

[Hydra]

13. I have to laugh cynically

It's not Bush's 3rd term...it's his 4th.

Funny that we're finally having the discussion of "Is the President a figurehead of the 1%?"

[cascadiance]

14. Yep, Obama's been moving us backward the way he's "looking forward"!

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. should have been prosecuted for war crimes. Banksters should be prosecuted for crimes at least to the degree that they were prosecuted for S&L crimes under Reagan. NSA wrongdoers should be prosecuted for their crimes too.

Incentives for crooks to run our government and squashing any incentive for those of us who demand American style justice to stop this corruption! Not what most Americans want! If they think this is a strategy for building wins for 2014, 2016, and longer, they are completely deluded. Unless they think that in whatever governmental system we are "looking forward" to then that our vote then won't count anyway.

[Ilsa]

15. Yeah, I hope Pelosi is happy. nt

[bvar22]

43. Pelosi IS happy.

She is first in line at the "Pay Me NOW" window.

[font size=4]Paulson with Co-Conspirators

Now THIS is Bi-Partisanship.
Hahahahahahahahaha[/font]





You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

[Maedhros]

16. If anything points out what a sham this Administration has become,

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it is this:

Obama is fully able to pardon Bradley Manning, yet chooses not to do so.

Yet, at the same time and under no pressure to do so, he orders his DOJ to preemptively immunize the Bush Administration from prosecution.

My guess is that the information Snowden has given to the Guardian contains evidence of Bush Administration crimes, and Obama knows this and is taking measures to protect his friends.

ON EDIT: I see someone on my ignore list responded to this post, no doubt with some kind of derogatory sneer. Excellent - I welcome their hatred!

[heaven05]

23. don't

forget Siegelman in Alabama. Obama needs to pardon him also.

[deurbano]

30. I don't understand why he won't do the right thing, even when it appears there would be no

political price to pay. Pardoning Manning would take a lot of guts (but he found Manning guilty before the trail, so for all I know, he thinks the sentence is too lenient).... but would there be much of a price to pay for pardoning Siegelman?

[woo me with science]

36. +1000000

[MisterP]

42. "but it'll DESTROY America if a Prez is prosecuted for what they did!"

I remember that nugget from 2009
and do you know what substance comes in "nuggets"?

[DJ13]

17. Oh come on, we got a "change" of letters after the name

Thats got to count for something.

[MNBrewer]

18. Don't worry!

No matter how heavy the water gets, some here will be willing to carry it for this Administration.

[heaven05]

24. Oh

I'll carry it, but it is damn heavy. I do not like the load I'm forced to carry. But what we gonna do? Impeach the man? Amerikan politics are a sold out, bought out system, no matter the Party. I choose to believe one was forced and the other gleefully went along with the corporations and bankers.

[blackspade]

19. blech indeed.

[whatchamacallit]

37. Weirdest comment of the thread

[damnedifIknow]

21. Olympus has fallen

November 22nd, 1963

[Arctic Dave]

22. The shine came off of Obama's apple a long, long time ago.

Why do you think the "party" needs a full time propagandist here.





That's right, you know who you are and fuck you very much.

[NealK]

31. +1

[Blue_In_AK]

25. Granting Bush immunity is one of the most obnoxious things I can think of

One of my biggest disappointments with this administration has been its failure to deal with the Bush war criminals.

[Octafish]

26. + a medal

Poppy, who also lied America into wars for profit, got a shiny kinder gentler machine gun hand one.

[gopiscrap]

27. Yeah that's totally fucked up!

[Dustlawyer]

28. I am glad to see more and more people here realize that our political system is rotten to the core!

What to do about it? At the moment I think spreading the word and convincing people of the truth is the most important thing. At some point they will do something again that touches off protests. This time, instead of protesting the symptoms of the problem, Wall Street criminality, guns, gays, pot..., lets go after the root cause of why our Representatives represent corporations and the 1% instead of John and Jane Q. Public. Lets demand Publicly Funded Elections and complete campaign finance reform. It will be one hell of a fight, but it is a fight we have to take on if we want a safe and healthy environment for our future generations! We owe it to them, and I for one want a little payback on these crooks!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. Great time to be Democrat? Always great to be on the right side of truth and history. However, ...

... as Voltaire said:

"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong"

Voltaire also said:

"As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit
atrocities."

We have to educate people, wake them up, pull the wool away from their eyes.

[whatchamacallit]

48. +1 n/t

[NealK]

32. K&R

And sick to my stomach too.

[Phlem]

34. But But

Obama couldn't do anything cause the republicans block everything he tries to do.

-p

[the_sly_pig]

35. I am disappointed in Obama in many ways. However....

we now have Obamacare, marriage is no longer defined, and we are well on our way to the legalization of marijuana. Whether people like it or not, the first black president had to/has to tread carefully to make room for future presidents of color (and women for that matter). I believe failure on the Presidents part would insure that old white guys would be sitting in the oval office for another three decades.

I'm not an Obama apologist; my timeline for wanting things done has not been met. That being said, radical change requires radical action and our country is not prepared to take radical action without splintering. It also means that if stupid people want to live together in certain geographical areas and enact stupid laws, they have every right to do so. Over the course of history stupid has always lost eventually.

History will judge *Bushco as being very, very stupid.

[Enthusiast]

45. History should judge Bushco as very, very criminal.......nt

[Billy Pilgrim]

38. Democratic ideology vs Republican ideology

I'll still vote Democratic based on the principles of my party, at least until there is a viable alternative.

[Cryptoad]

39. The GOP

is still looking for a few good whatchamacallits!

[whatchamacallit]

40. You over here recruiting?

[Enthusiast]

44. Kicked and Recommended.

I'm with you!

[warrprayer]

46. We took to the streets

in 2011 demanding change and got a beatdown for the trouble under a Democratic administration and even some Democratic mayors. What is left for us?