Well, now we know they're serious - if there was ever any doubt.

[last1standing]

If you fuck with this administration they will destroy you.

Welcome to Obama's America, trade-marked and copyrighted, under god and under surveillance. Know your place and don't ask questions.

I feel sick.

[Cleita]

1. I'm not blaming Obama for this but our military

industrial complex. Sure the POTUS as commander in chief could exercise his power, but the blame is not solely his.

[G_j]

7. However, Obama did publicly condemn Manning

before he even went to trial.

[Cleita]

12. Yes, he has been pretty hard nosed about the

whistle lowers, not just Manning. I don't understand the fury myself, however, he's not alone in this and whatever secret spying behavior has been going on predates his presidency.

[kelliekat44]

46. Um, he is CIC of the military and President of the US. Why would he not condemn what Manning did?

[reusrename]

69. I would assume he would be pissed about his administration lying.

But no, he loves the lying assholes. Wants to be one himself, it seems.

He'd much rather have a pound of flesh from the folks telling the truth.

Where's the justice in that? How could anyone not be disappointed?

[SammyWinstonJack]

107. He is one, himself, it seems.

[Le Taz Hot]

72. Not BEFORE the trial.

It's the basis of our justice system (or what's left of it): Innocent until proven guilty.

[magical thyme]

104. because the military he commands committed war crimes

and what Manning did is whistleblowing, which Obama supposedly supported.

Oh, and that little thing called innocent until proven guilty.

[FiveGoodMen]

82. "spying behavior has been going on predates his presidency"

'As the defendant is not the first person to rob a liquor store and shoot the cashier, I think we should just forget about the whole crime.'

[truth2power]

75. If he COULD exercise his power, then why isn't the fault solely his?...

As you said, he's the CIC.

I think Obama has made it abundantly clear that he has zero tolerance for anyone disclosing the war crimes perpetrated by his administration.

He mocks us.

[ZombieHorde]

2. Is this about Manning? nt

[last1standing]

5. It's about Manning, Miranda, Snowden, and anyone who crosses this administration.

n/t

[snooper2]

28. Watch out! You keep posting like this on the Intertubes

There is no WAY you'll be the last1standing

[last1standing]

30. The glee some posters take in what is happening is stunning.

Some here would laugh all the way to the gas chambers if they thought their side was winning the game.


And save me the Godwin's Law bullshit.

[snooper2]

32. That didn't take long to invoke a Hitler meme-

Meanwhile lucky folks at Motor Trend continue the Best Drivers Car 2013 competition!

[last1standing]

33. People like yourself pull that line to make sure that others forget the past.

Some of us refuse to play your little games.

[snooper2]

37. What do you do for a living by the way?

I'm a telecom engineer-

[last1standing]

38. I don't care.

What's with the personal questions? I didn't pry into your life. I find it very creepy when strangers want personal information, especially when it has nothing to do with the conversation.

Are you going to ask what my children's names are next?

[snooper2]

39. "question" not "questions"

Always interesting to know what field one is in when they spout opinions.

I know a unix/linux guru who literally believes the Earth is around 6K years old



Want to talk about Hitler some more? Or Motor Trend's best drivers car-

They have a Ford Focus ST in the competition this year as well!

[LordGlenconner]

41. Any other issues you're interested in?

[last1standing]

65. Yes. Pointing out sock puppets and trolls.

n/t

[LordGlenconner]

80. So no other issues then

That's what I thought.

A one trick pony.

[grasswire]

90. welcome to DU

enjoy your stay

[frylock]

92. did you see the pictures of the new dog?

[SammyWinstonJack]

109. ...

[Whisp]

106. no, it's about your twisted ideas. n/t

[xiamiam]

3. lots of blame to go around..mic, nsa, cia, obama, feinstein, repubs and dems unforunately

we've got the constitution.. more enduring than any single politician ..if we so choose

[forestpath]

4. K&R

[Rex]

6. We've lived in a plutocracy since the 1980s.

Until we fix that one huge oversight and make the laws of the land apply to every American equally, expect more of the same.

[loudsue]

76. THAT, right there, is the entire crux of the matter.

And how in the hell we're ever going to fix that is beyond me at this point. I'm so disappointed in Obama and the democratic party powers that be/financiers, that I can't stand to look at them anymore.

[cantbeserious]

101. + 1000

eom

[snappyturtle]

8. OTOH, if your name is G.W.Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell or

assorted other war mongers, the administration will help to
change history in their regard.

[last1standing]

9. They know their place.

Unfortunately it's on our necks. Obama and the rest of the 1% are making sure we don't rock the boat.

[CincyDem]

10. It's not Obama's America. Unfortunately, it's ours.

We voted for these guys and populations get the governments they deserve. We let this slippery slope start in the 80's. We've de-edumakated the population for decades. We've accepted opinion as fact. We've empowered financial institutions to financially rape the country with impunity.

And now we're surprised that we live our lives under the microscope of Big Brother. Com'on...the only error George Orwell made was having 1984 filed in the "FICTION" aisle.

Don't get me wrong - I think O is approaching this poorly at best. Finally, after 5+ years, we get to see what it's like when he's angry. Where was that anger when court and exec branch appointments were being blocked. Where was that anger when rethugs were gutting key legislation.

My disappointment has changed. Before, I wasn't sure he had backbone. Now I see that he does and he just didn't want to use it. Sad.

[last1standing]

11. We were lied to.

We were told that Obama's administration would be transparent. We were told he would honor whistle-blowers, not destroy them.

He lied to us in order to gain power. Now that he has that power he is using it to ensure that he keeps it once he is out of office with no regard for the people who voted for him.

We don't deserve this.

[uponit7771]

15. Obama is a dictator and he has the power!! EVERYONE knows this I don't know why these people

...act as if Obama is pow...ah fuck it...

[last1standing]

17. Conversation with you is useless and saying what I think of you is not allowed.

So I have nothing else to say.

[uponit7771]

18. Then proffer facts and not right wing memes and we'll reason together

[last1standing]

19. You and I will never reason together because I care about democracy.

You only care about your president.

Again, I can't state at DU how little I think of your "reason."

[uponit7771]

20. You care about repeating right wing memes such as this Obama = Dictator bullcrap...

...that's what I see

Now you're position is I don't care about democaracy because I call you out on it...

Keep it up, sounds like a bookmarking in the making

[moonlady0623]

71. Just my opinion of course

but it seems to me that it's a quick leap to calling any negative opinion of the current president a "right wing meme" instead of taking off your rose colored glasses and seeing reality.

Yeah, Obama's campaign promises sounded real pretty. Yeah, the reality is quite the opposite. Is it his "fault?" What a waste of time that question can be.

We have to start vetting our candidates for ALL elected positions better - not in terms of who they slept with or what kind of dog they have or how that dog is transported from place to place, but in terms of how sincere they are about actually representing the people and upholding the constitution.

I'd personally like to see some kind of minimum standard of engagement be upheld too, pretty damn tired of name calling and extreme branding. But that's just me.

[uponit7771]

99. Well, if they ARE a right wing meme then that's reality no? tia

[Bluenorthwest]

108. The acting out you are doing should not be done in Obama's name, but in your own.

You should be ashamed to cower behind his name while engaging in such vapid and immature language.

[uponit7771]

115. I notice you didn't answer the question and link and quote me "acting' in Obama's name

...thx

[grasswire]

88. you are the one that brought the word "dictator" into this conversation. nt

[Quantess]

16. Yes we were lied to, but we should have known those were pipe dreams.

Our owners / masters would never have let Obama (or anyone else for that matter) become president unless he did their bidding.

We should have been more cynical. The state of the nation is far worse than I imagined, because now I realize that voters actually don't have power.

[FiveGoodMen]

83. If we had been more cynical, what would we have done differently?

[Quantess]

89. Nothing, I guess. That wasn't really my point

although I guess it came out that way. It was already too late for a real democracy by 2008.

[FiveGoodMen]

97. You're right; it probably was too late by '08.

Since we didn't get any decent choices to vote for then.

[Blue_In_AK]

119. I remember being cynical

or maybe just skeptical, during the period of time between the convention and the election in 2008 and being summarily chastised, even though I said nothing particularly negative about Sen. Obama, only questioning his meteoric rise. That's when I became somewhat concerned about DU groupthink.

Oh, well, it is what it is.

[dkf]

86. I've been wondering if his entire attitude about transparency changed because HE knows what he wants

To know.

When he wasn't aware of it all, he felt it was imperative and important, but once he knew, he felt his judgment became sufficient.

I wonder if the position has changed him and made him arrogant and turned him into "The Decider" we despised when Bush did it.

[toby jo]

94. That's the vibe I get too, last1. He's a very young man, with a very long future ahead of him,

and alot of power right now. He's got an eye on that future, it's become more important to him. He's lost some of the class he had when he was a senator and a presidential candidate, in my book.

Still glad he beat Romney. Still glad for healthcare. He generally comes down on our side with the environment and women's rights. He helped out the lgbt folks. There's that.

[uponit7771]

14. Yeah, if you break a law and put peoples lives in danger this admin should give you a shoulder

...rub and lightly tell you not to do it again

:rolleyes:

[last1standing]

21. Haven't read your comments condemning Obama for supporting bush and his cronies.

And I doubt I ever will.

[uponit7771]

22. Right so you can say Obama = Bush right wing bullcrap meme by even acknowledging the

...existence of Obama outright supporting Bush vs the agencies outright supporting their leadership in the past.

The agencies are NOT... NOT political agencies and if the opposite party was in the White House and they did the same would you say .... ummm, Mitt rMOney supported Obama!?

FUCK NO

I can tell you guys from a mile a way

[last1standing]

24. Awww! Losing your temper because it's been shown you only care about worshiping Obama?

It's honestly shameful and sickening to see such cult worship for a man who is pushing to immunize war criminals from prosecution.

[uponit7771]

26. Yeap, you run from another plainly asked question and proffer ad hominem, look who's not wanting

... to discuss now.

Either way...done with winger memes

[last1standing]

31. I don't feel the need to answer any question you pose.

I'd have to respect your opinions for that. I don't.

You have no political beliefs other than a fierce need to protect a politician you've become enamored with. Every time I show how little you understand on a subject you merely run away and start posting the same shit in another thread. There's no debating with someone who only knows that they want to push talking points.

[Lars39]

35. Why not? They did it for Cheney when he outed Plame and a whole damn spy network

and decided not to prosecute.

[uponit7771]

43. Obama did it?! Are we even talking about the same realities?!

[Lars39]

67. The Bush Administration committed war crimes, the Obama Administration has declined to prosecute.

Cannot get any plainer than that.

[noiretextatique]

40. this administration continues to give lawbreakers a pass

for example, bush, inc, the people who lied about starting a war that killed a million people, and the same people who failed to act on intelligence reports, and allowed a bunch of people to die on 9/11/2001.

[uponit7771]

44. Obama = dictator?! Cause he doesn't have to work through congress on crap like this!?

[malaise]

23. Obama's America

Get real - this is Bushco's America. Obama is in charge of a lot less than you believe. Bushco handed over national security to their mercenary cronies. Go figure!

[last1standing]

25. Ah, the "Poor, Powerless Obama" meme.

That only works when his DOJ isn't trying to immunize war criminals from prosecution, unless you believe that bush is still in charge of the DOJ.

If that's the case then this really is bush's 4th term.

[Dreamer Tatum]

29. Are you saying Obama isn't up to the job, then?

What magic powers did Bush have that Obama doesn't?

Give me a fucking break. Obama is in charge EXACTLY TO THE DEGREE BUSH WAS IN CHARGE.

Maybe you think he's lesser because he's black? Is that it?

[haele]

96. You're right. However, Bush wasn't really that much in charge when he was president.

Halliburton, Carlyle, KBR, Goldman Sachs, and assorted other corporations and "think tanks" were in charge. By the end of the 1980's, the government was already half-privatized, and there was a lot of money to be made working contracts with all the government agencies...
That's why, with a very few exceptions, cabinet members and presidential advisor's have all been "industry professionals" instead of academics or local experts.

Bush was the figurehead and the person that "signed the checks". But Bush couldn't have done anything without the Congress or the Senate. That's the whole idea between seperation of powers that has been written into our Constitution. The President is not a Dictator or a Law-Maker, he (or she) is the Commander in Chief for the Military ONLY, and the Chief Executive (i.e., overall administrator) for the other agencies within the Federal government.

Congress was the bank for these companies, and many Congress-critters made lots of money from government contractors, either directly or indirectly. When Bush "put his foot down and got something done", his agency heads already had their marching orders from the people who were funding them.
Oddly enough, the Military is one of the few organizations where the President actually has a position within the Hierarchy, which is why the Military is the only agency that will generally do a President's bidding without question or back-dooring him (or her) through Congress.
Even the Justice Department quibbles rules or outright ignores them to "do their job", both in the past, and now.
You think Holder is bad? Look at what J. Edgar Hoover did, and he was just head of the FBI.

No, Bush had no more magic powers than Obama. And Obama has exactly the same amount of power Bush had.

Here's the reality of the government -
Congress funds the NSA, can direct and fund real investigations and make permanent laws to hobble it or shut it down. Congress oversees and approves by continuing the funding of, the activities of the NSA. That's a very big stick to control an organization like that.
While the President appoints the director of the NSA and can propose the directions NSA activities will take, that's not as large a stick as Congress has. The NSA and the contractors who are making money off the NSA are far more worried about Congress than they are of the President.
And there's a lot of "high level government appointees" and their pet managers at the NSA and other organizations who are still thinking it's okay to be a lazy fascist playing a political game rather than take a democratic system of laws, checks, and balances seriously.
President Obama could do maybe a little more by being more honest with us, but there's not a lot he can do about the NSA without Congress taking a more serious stance themselves.

Haele

[grasswire]

93. if he is as powerless as you say, then...

....why are people here breaking their necks to prop that weakness up by attacking those who want to rein in the MIC and Intelligence rogues?

[MotherPetrie]

27. K&R.

[quinnox]

34. It is pretty disgusting, but Obama is in the stretch run of his presidency, its not like he will be

president forever. I'm already looking past Obama at this point. It is almost 2014, and 2016 is not so far away.

[geek tragedy]

36. Plagiarized word for word from the local tea Party.

ZOMG Obama is a dictator.

Which is why the FEMA camps are going full blast.

[LordGlenconner]

42. +1

[last1standing]

48. Don't care. It's still true.

You can try to demonize and dehumanize me all you like. I'm used to the tactics of right-wing Democrats.

[geek tragedy]

50. Actually, it's not true, but you and the tea Party are free to disagree.

If you dare . . .

[last1standing]

52. Again, try to dehumanize me all you like. It's a basic propaganda tactic and it no longer works.

It makes a much louder statement about yourself and your hateful message than it says about me.

[geek tragedy]

53. Nope, just pointing out that the Tea baggers have never been right about Obama, and they're

not right on this count either.

[last1standing]

54. Nope, you called me a tea bagger in the hopes of dehumanizing and intimidating me.

Folks in the LGBT community are used to your tactics. Single us out and make us feel like we're surrounded by enemies.

Sick and hateful.

[geek tragedy]

55. Didn't say you were a Tea bagger, just that you're in full agreement with them

when it comes to the President.

[last1standing]

57. And now the weasel words begin.

"I didn't say you killed those children, I just said you had the motive and the knife." So what if it isn't true, right? You didn't actually accuse me.

Like I said, sick and hateful. Your sort have absolutely no shame.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

51. Words have meaning. "Plagarized word for word" has a very specific meaning.

You own those words. Now provide some backing for them.

[lamp_shade]

45. LOL

[last1standing]

49. It's shameful what right-wing Democrats find funny.

n/t

[MisterP]

47. yup--postcyberbunk

[ProSense]

56. Oh, the drama. Obama's America:

Obama's second term: A productive six months.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023482199

The America you attribute to President Obama was established decades ago...

Files released in June 2010

The files contain details of the recently avowed UKUSA Agreement - the top secret, post-war arrangement for sharing intelligence between the United States and the UK. Signed by representatives of the London Signals Intelligence Board and its American counterpart in March 1946, the UKUSA Agreement is without parallel in the Western intelligence world and formed the basis for co-operation between the two countries throughout the Cold War.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukusa/

UKUSA Agreement Release 1940-1956
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/ukusa.shtml

...and put on steroids by Bush, who did illegally eavesdrop on Americans.

[last1standing]

60. Oh good, more ProPaganda that has nothing to do with the subject.

But plenty of blue links.

[ProSense]

70. LOL! Obama invented the NSA. n/t

[Pretzel_Warrior]

58. because you are sick. rebel without a clue.

[geek tragedy]

59. Obama's America: 2016

http://www.google.com/#fp=aa6eb277232ce07c&q=%22obama%27s+america%27

His haters on the far left have come around to embrace his haters on the far right.

[last1standing]

61. And his lovers in the center have come around to excuse the same abuses as bush.

n/t

[geek tragedy]

62. I don't love him, but I don't push absurd paranoid theories that he's some kind of fascist boogeyman

unlike the fringier types.

[last1standing]

63. Of course you don't.

n/t

[geek tragedy]

64. First accurate thing you've said in this thread, nt

[last1standing]

66. Why argue over what everyone can see?

Your actions speak louder than your words.

Now feel free to spit out another insult. You seem to do that more than anything else, lately.

[gopiscrap]

68. As I have always said: POWER CORRUPTS!!!

[Le Taz Hot]

73. Fuck it.

It makes me more defiant than ever. This will backfire BIG TIME.

[Stuckinthebush]

74. Obama's America?

Jesus. This place is becoming the ultra left wing version of the tea party.

[JoePhilly]

77. Some have gone all the way around the circle and crashed into the TP.

[Stuckinthebush]

78. Thank god someone agrees with me

Good to see you JoePhilly. I've been here since the beginning of DU and I have never seen it so insane. I feel like I'm in a Monty Python skit sometimes.

[JoePhilly]

84. I think I know which Monty Python sketch applies ...

I think we're dealing with the People's Front of DUia ...

or is it the Popular Front?

SPLITTERS!!!!

And while I've only been here since around 2007, this is the craziest I've seen it.

[Stuckinthebush]

95. Perfect!

I was also thinking of that DU was a lot like Camelot:

[MineralMan]

79. This reply was deleted before being written.

[JoyBugaloo]

81. I hope you have a nice puke

Threads like this make me sick -

the mentality seems to be - you're either with us or against us.....be afraid - be very afraid....

Now where have we heard that before?

[FiveGoodMen]

85. How much did you get for that post, 48?

[JoePhilly]

87. The good news is that the ACA does not consider prior puking about the ACA to

be a prexisting condition.

Just one of the many symptoms of ODS that the ACA covers.

[rhett o rick]

98. I think it's more like you either support the authoritarian State or the 99%. It's your

choice.

[JoyBugaloo]

100. Either choose one or the other.....

No middle ground.....no other choices....

Is that what you're saying?

Wouldn't it be lovely if things were that simple - cut and dried....nothing to think about....

ah the fantasy life....

[rhett o rick]

103. Explain how there is a middle ground in a class war.

I strive for Democracy and wont settle for middle ground.

[JoyBugaloo]

110. Good for you...keep on fighting the good fight.....

but only seeing the world in strictly black and white shades is a bit boring - don't you think?

Have you ever had a differing opinion of what is considered the "normal" Democratic/Liberal train of thought? Or do you just go along with the current "IN Crowd"?

[rhett o rick]

113. I am not surprised you'd ask that question. I never see you in the threads

where issues are discussed. If you did, you would recognize that "politically liberal" Democrats often disagree. It's only the "In crowd" as you call them that all seem to defend the President and never discuss other issues. Never discuss the TPP, the XL Pipeline, fracking, in fact here's a list. Look for yourself.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023233743
war crimes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3225280
Warren
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023226323
Warren – Glass-Steagall

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023244053
Fascism

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023240309
Drones

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023262702
FISA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023220667
Patriot Act

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023368969#post7
Prison State

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023368969#post7
Dept of HLS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023406830
Water
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014560337
Larry Summers

You wont see any of the "IN crowd" in these discussions or any discussions that arent following WH talking points.

The "IN crowd" is here for one purpose, to support the President, right or wrong, and ridicule anyone that doesnt toe the line.

[JoyBugaloo]

116. I have better things to do than to....

...spend my time finding useless links for people that don't really care about personal opinions or blog posts - which is all your comments break down to - nothing more.....

and it's all because I'm not so egotistical to think that the government really gives a crap about my emails or personal phone calls....or that the Obama Administration considers me such a threat that they would want to "destroy" me....


spare me your cluttered chatter

[rhett o rick]

117. You dont have the time to discuss issues. And if you think I am worried about the NSA spying

on me, you missed the boat big time.

[rhett o rick]

114. And I still would like you to explain how there is middle ground in a class war. nm

[alcibiades_mystery]

91. Delete

Disregard

[AngryOldDem]

102. This all can't be laid at Obama's door.

I think this shit's been coming to the surface for a long time. (I'm talking about everything that's wrong with this country, most of which got its start under Reagan, the ROOT of all modern evil in the U.S, as far as I'm concerned.) That said, it's looking like Obama really hasn't done a hell of a lot to stop it. But then he's just a cog in the machine as is every other politician.

Yes, I'm outraged, but more at myself for believing what I'm told when I'm shown time and again I shouldn't. Not exactly a good frame of mind to be in as 2016 approaches.

[Whisp]

105. disgusting tripe picked off some rotten tree on a r/w site.

bet 'I' will get alerted and juried and this OP shitbucket talk will stand.

[Quantess]

111. This OP was already alerted on, yesterday.

It passed 3 - 3

[JoyBugaloo]

112. Cheers!!

you've nailed it - I was trying to convey this same point - but apparently there are some around here who just want to up their post counts by giving grief to others who don't share their disgust of everything related to the White House

[LadyHawkAZ]

118. When did I join Tea Party Underground?

And what was I drinking that night?