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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:30 PM Aug 2013

Check in here to support an immediate pardon for Bradley Manning.

There is no way in hell that that kid deserves to spend 35 years in a military just for making sure that the world knows the truth.

And it's bullshit to say that Nixon should've been pardoned but Manning shouldn't.

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Check in here to support an immediate pardon for Bradley Manning. (Original Post) Ken Burch Aug 2013 OP
Yes, an immediate pardon. Autumn Aug 2013 #1
Checking in. forestpath Aug 2013 #2
Damn straight. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #3
checking in. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #4
K&R And, they could use the empty cell for real criminals. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #5
Like Bush and Cheney, et. al. - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #11
Count me in! n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #6
I'm in but I am afraid there won't be a pardon gopiscrap Aug 2013 #7
There won't be a pardon for Manning even then. RC Aug 2013 #94
Why do you say that? gopiscrap Aug 2013 #96
Which? RC Aug 2013 #98
That you feel Obama won't pardon him? gopiscrap Aug 2013 #100
What has Obama done so far to rein in the war crimes? RC Aug 2013 #107
Bingo! n/t SylviaD Aug 2013 #109
Yes sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #8
Checking in Hayduke Bomgarte Aug 2013 #9
Hear, hear! - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #10
I'm in favor of his pardon or commutation. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, though. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #12
Commutation zipplewrath Aug 2013 #189
Agree. Mc Mike Aug 2013 #13
I see a big difference between Snowden and Manning markiv Aug 2013 #14
Pentagon papers? NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #72
but even the pentagon papers was a focussed internal study markiv Aug 2013 #149
Kinda necessary zipplewrath Aug 2013 #190
doesn't matter markiv Aug 2013 #192
Here! FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #15
I'm checking in asking Hydra Aug 2013 #16
. lastlib Aug 2013 #17
Check, Check, Check... I do support a pardon. n/t AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2013 #18
Yes! fasttense Aug 2013 #19
Not a pardon, they can do what this DOJ did for Republican Alascan Senator Ted Stevens, sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #20
You're technically correct about the implications of a pardon. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #29
Yes, I know and I applaud any effort to get him home. I would just like to see justice done sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #35
Absolutely! ljm2002 Aug 2013 #21
Checking in. k&r n/t Laelth Aug 2013 #22
If you check in, then sign the petition. DreamGypsy Aug 2013 #23
Thanks for the link to the petition. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #31
I started another thread on the same topic just before you did. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #24
DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #25
Yes BuelahWitch Aug 2013 #26
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #27
Checking in! K&R nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #28
well, duh: the only argument against is a road map between Moscow's two airports MisterP Aug 2013 #30
Totally support it, but it's not going to happen. nt DLevine Aug 2013 #32
Obama should either pardon him or admit he wants Nixon type plumbers.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #33
indeed ut oh Aug 2013 #34
Kicking! Fuddnik Aug 2013 #36
Was just thinking that same thing this morning. TinkerTot55 Aug 2013 #37
Check and Balance neohippie Aug 2013 #38
While the real criminals are giving themselves a pat on the back Laughing Mirror Aug 2013 #39
check ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #40
Yes! Blue State Bandit Aug 2013 #41
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #42
K&R. n/t countmyvote4real Aug 2013 #43
K&R. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #44
Grntuscarora checking in. grntuscarora Aug 2013 #45
!!! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #46
Checking in. historylovr Aug 2013 #47
+1 Daniel537 Aug 2013 #48
Yes! tosh Aug 2013 #49
Checking in. christx30 Aug 2013 #50
K&R Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #51
As long as George Bush and his henchmen walk free, Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #52
Well said. I'm sick to the core about this. Mira Aug 2013 #73
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 benld74 Aug 2013 #53
So blatantly unfair KaryninMiami Aug 2013 #54
Kick. JoeyT Aug 2013 #55
K/R Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #56
Yes, a pardon. caseymoz Aug 2013 #57
Kick. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #58
Bradley Manning is an American Patriot Skeeter Barnes Aug 2013 #59
checking in. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #60
So "checked" nt Ninga Aug 2013 #61
A man is walking down the street... krispos42 Aug 2013 #62
Count me in. WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2013 #63
I Support That, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2013 #64
Manning kardonb Aug 2013 #65
Well, you're clearly on the wrong board. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #69
Maybe not a complete pardon. RoccoR5955 Aug 2013 #66
Absolutely colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #67
Kick and rec burnodo Aug 2013 #68
yes, I agree NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #70
until Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & company are prosecuted, it's hard to justify ANY prosecutions yurbud Aug 2013 #71
this. navarth Aug 2013 #105
This man should be honored for his bravery. faithnomore Aug 2013 #74
Agreed. K & R Myrina Aug 2013 #75
Manning should be pardoned samsingh Aug 2013 #76
. DinahMoeHum Aug 2013 #77
Pardon! morningfog Aug 2013 #78
yes mike_c Aug 2013 #79
It won't happen, but I support it. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #80
Peltier first PatrynXX Aug 2013 #81
I'd be fine with both of them being pardoned on the same day. n/t. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #134
Yes DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #82
Here. I generally NEVER click on "Check In Here" threads, bvar22 Aug 2013 #83
Yall ever feel like you are in a isolation Chamber Cryptoad Aug 2013 #84
Uh, no...you have no basis for saying that...and you don't speak for "Most Democrats" Ken Burch Aug 2013 #121
We need some leaders with integrity and a sense of justice. Mr. President, what about you? Maineman Aug 2013 #85
K&R Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #86
K&R idwiyo Aug 2013 #87
affirm. the_sly_pig Aug 2013 #88
Checking in. Pardon Bradley Manning! rainy Aug 2013 #89
Yep libodem Aug 2013 #90
YES (esp since the unindicted terrorist Kissinger is still running free) Agony Aug 2013 #91
checked and recced redgreenandblue Aug 2013 #92
K&R! I'm all for it. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #93
Agreed Mickju Aug 2013 #95
No pardon is another strike against Democrats. 99Forever Aug 2013 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #99
Check! Mokito Aug 2013 #101
I'm in! n/t Lugnut Aug 2013 #102
Hear, hear! 1monster Aug 2013 #103
he should be free due to torture he endured tardybar Aug 2013 #104
And an immediate honoring of him with the Nobel Peace Prize cascadiance Aug 2013 #106
Manning's sentence is an outrage Gator_Matt Aug 2013 #108
Pardon him . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #110
I am in Tears Rockyj Aug 2013 #111
Bradley Manning pleads guilty to misusing classified data in WikiLeaks case struggle4progress Aug 2013 #112
You took time out from celebrating Spirochete Aug 2013 #142
Nobody's celebrating. It's a sad case, involving a confused kid, who released hundreds of thousands struggle4progress Aug 2013 #169
Free Bradley, make room for a Bankster Vincardog Aug 2013 #113
I Agree, Immediate Pardon. Remember Obama's promise to protect whistleblowers? NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #114
pardon NJCher Aug 2013 #115
Amnesty International petition gaining steam on white house petition site limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #116
K&R nt TBF Aug 2013 #117
K&R. Considering he was tortured while in custody, his sentence is especially egregious. n/t myrna minx Aug 2013 #118
Obama is going to let Siegelman and Manning rot in prison but pardon Bush rhett o rick Aug 2013 #119
Never understood why Obama hasn't pardoned Siegelman, either. Ken Burch Aug 2013 #132
To become president he had to make a deal with the devil. Apparently the devil dont like rhett o rick Aug 2013 #157
K & R n/t xocet Aug 2013 #120
K&R n/t Duval Aug 2013 #122
Nominate Manning AND Snowden for Nobel Peace Prize...let's see action EVDebs Aug 2013 #123
Let the kid go!!!!!! Pyrzqxgl Aug 2013 #124
K&R Grey Aug 2013 #125
Done. WH petition signed. nt Ilsa Aug 2013 #126
Definitely! KoKo Aug 2013 #127
Checking in MissDeeds Aug 2013 #128
It's not like he got us in a war because of Lies, or outed an agent, like Kkkarl . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2013 #129
Freedom for Bradley NeverAsItSeems Aug 2013 #130
Yes YES YES YES YES YES YES YES Bigmack Aug 2013 #131
K&R Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #133
Yeah right. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #135
Free Manning and imprison the JNelson6563 Aug 2013 #136
full pardon for Bradley and 35 years in the slammer for the terrorist Kissinger Agony Aug 2013 #137
Obama will never pardon Bradley Manning. The Establishment has him by the balls >> YOHABLO Aug 2013 #138
Plus Medal of Honor as he showed true courage on point Aug 2013 #139
K&R Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #140
Checking in. Euphoria Aug 2013 #141
plus he deserves an apology for pre-trial detainment and torture - not negotiable Agony Aug 2013 #143
And compensation. He should be given a medal for what he did. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #144
I support this. n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #145
I fully support this but won't hold my breath. NealK Aug 2013 #146
call the whitehouse comment line - all day tomorrow - 202-456-1111 Agony Aug 2013 #147
I'm in! -- Hello NSA, it's me again /nt Bragi Aug 2013 #148
Me too!!! raindaddy Aug 2013 #150
Pardon, apology, and restitution n/t Scootaloo Aug 2013 #151
Minneapolis emergency protest demands pardon for Bradley Manning annm4peace Aug 2013 #152
Check defacto7 Aug 2013 #153
Double Check! defacto7 Aug 2013 #154
Where do I sign? Peregrine Took Aug 2013 #155
Whoever thought intimidation was a good strategy is wrong felix_numinous Aug 2013 #156
K&R! bluestateboomer Aug 2013 #158
Heros should be free! BillyRibs Aug 2013 #159
I'm in. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #160
Full Pardon for Manning, NOW! burrowowl Aug 2013 #161
Yes. raging moderate Aug 2013 #162
K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Aug 2013 #163
I'd support a sentence commutation to time served Recursion Aug 2013 #164
Kick & recommended. William769 Aug 2013 #165
Obama pardoned criminal Ted "Bridge to Nowhere" Stevens (R-AK), he can pardon our heroes too. grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #166
I forgot to check in before. Yes I am for a pardon. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #167
Yes Pardon Manning. Milliesmom Aug 2013 #168
Bradley Manning's pardon must be demanded overwhelmingly lofty1 Aug 2013 #170
Pardon Bradley Manning immediately. n/t enigmatic Aug 2013 #171
k&r for Truth avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #172
ASAP donheld Aug 2013 #173
pardon spike91nz Aug 2013 #174
K&R LittleBlue Aug 2013 #175
+1. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #176
K (as in Kick him loose) & R! n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #177
K&R burnodo Aug 2013 #178
knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #179
The Manning/Snowden effect polynomial Aug 2013 #180
K & R nt tomg Aug 2013 #181
Watching the drone strike on the reporters and then the 1st responders with the 2 little kids Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #182
Who? George II Aug 2013 #183
Chelsea deserves nothing less Politicub Aug 2013 #184
yes, immediate pardon for Chelsea nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #185
Yes,of course Theyletmeeatcake2 Aug 2013 #186
checking in Little Star Aug 2013 #187
Yes! Totally agree. maddiemom Aug 2013 #188
I thnk she should be pardoned immediately. Cronus Protagonist Aug 2013 #191
Damn straight, it's BULLSHIT. orbitalman Aug 2013 #193
Aye TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #194
He is a true military hero. RedCloud Aug 2013 #195
Manning should get what he deserves . . .the Congressional Medal of Honor. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #196
Yes. Hissyspit Aug 2013 #197
While I agree in principle... rwsanders Aug 2013 #198
I still say he is a true hero. RedCloud2 Aug 2013 #199
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
94. There won't be a pardon for Manning even then.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:46 PM
Aug 2013

I think we all know why.

But anyway, count me in too. I think he should have been released with a General Discharge and time served.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
98. Which?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:50 PM
Aug 2013

Obama? Didn't he say something negative about what Manning did? I'm thinking he did.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
107. What has Obama done so far to rein in the war crimes?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:08 PM
Aug 2013

Not much, in fact he has committed his own, some of which Manning exposed.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
13. Agree.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:45 PM
Aug 2013

'Scooter Libby' got one before his judicial paths were exhausted.

And his leak actually endangered national security, to boot.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
14. I see a big difference between Snowden and Manning
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:45 PM
Aug 2013

Both betrayed confidentiality agreements but

Snowden released more of a condensed conclusion of direct interest to American citizens

whereas Manning did more of a 'data dump' of massive amounts of information/documents

for a revelation against policy to be morally compelling, it has to be more surgical, revealing no more than is necessary to make the point

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
149. but even the pentagon papers was a focussed internal study
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 10:52 PM
Aug 2013

and elsberg was part of the study, part of the 'work product' was his

it was not jusr a 'data dump'

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
190. Kinda necessary
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:32 AM
Aug 2013

Although one might make a case for some of the filtering, the stuff one might filter out is probably the least damaging of the release. And really, the point in many ways was the totality of what was going on, not any single thing.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
192. doesn't matter
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:19 PM
Aug 2013

the issue was breaching security by leaking a document

if you're going to make an arguement that it was justified (and i think to a large degree snowden is), the burdon of proof is on the leaker for *each document leaked* that it was necessary

the process has to leave in place the integrity of the concept of document security, because it is a legitimate necessity for any government, good or bad

no government can allow or excuse massive data dumps of classified documents

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
16. I'm checking in asking
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:48 PM
Aug 2013

But this Admin has said "Fuck Bradley Manning."

This is how they wanted it, in fact they wanted more time for him.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. Not a pardon, they can do what this DOJ did for Republican Alascan Senator Ted Stevens,
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 03:52 PM
Aug 2013

rescind the verdict, throw it out.

A pardon implies guilt and forgiveness. He did not commit any crimes.

But I agree with the spirit of your OP, completelyl.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
29. You're technically correct about the implications of a pardon.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:01 PM
Aug 2013

My point is, it seemed to me to be the only way to get the kid out.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. Yes, I know and I applaud any effort to get him home. I would just like to see justice done
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:08 PM
Aug 2013

for once.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
33. Obama should either pardon him or admit he wants Nixon type plumbers....
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:05 PM
Aug 2013

Joe would do it for a price...



....you betcha....

TinkerTot55

(198 posts)
37. Was just thinking that same thing this morning.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:11 PM
Aug 2013

Manning should've been sentenced to time served.......since he was actually TORTURED ( severe mental cruelty, deprivation, isolation, etc. ) which amounted to cruel and unusual punishment.

Try the damn war criminals from the Bush, Sr. through Bush Jr. years, AND the financial miscreants who nearly toppled the civilized world, and THEN we can talk "justice" for people like Manning and Snowden.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
39. While the real criminals are giving themselves a pat on the back
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:15 PM
Aug 2013

for how generous they were, bringing it down from two life sentences to one, with time off for good behavior, of course.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
52. As long as George Bush and his henchmen walk free,
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 04:34 PM
Aug 2013

so should Bradley Manning. It's more dangerous to report on war crimes than it is to commit them.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
62. A man is walking down the street...
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:12 PM
Aug 2013

...and he hears strange and alarming noises coming from a house.

He jumps the fence and peers through a window to see a young, nude girl being beaten by a man. He takes a video with his phone, then calls the cops.

The cops arrive and proceed to arrest the caller for trespassing, voyeurism, creating child pornography, and possessing child pornography.


The abusive man is neither investigated nor charged. Ever.

Justice?

The Magistrate

(95,243 posts)
64. I Support That, Sir
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:17 PM
Aug 2013

The sentence handed down is extremely unjust.

Anything more than time served, particularly given the torturous conditions of confinement, shocks the conscience.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
69. Well, you're clearly on the wrong board.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:20 PM
Aug 2013

Support for harshness towards this kid can't be consistent with support for any progressive or humanistic ideas at all...if you defend the national security state, you are defending every horrible thing the U.S. ever did in the world.

And you do realize that he will probably be killed by somebody if he spends any significant amount of time in a normal military prison.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
66. Maybe not a complete pardon.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:18 PM
Aug 2013

But commute his sentence to time already served.
That way nobody could say that he did no time for his "crime."

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
71. until Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & company are prosecuted, it's hard to justify ANY prosecutions
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:22 PM
Aug 2013

for military folks, especially those who expose rather than commit war crimes.

 

faithnomore

(41 posts)
74. This man should be honored for his bravery.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:25 PM
Aug 2013

He should be pardoned immediately and the major players in the Bush administration should serve his 35 years.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
82. Yes
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:35 PM
Aug 2013

even though I hate spying, he was actually spying for us, as opposed to GG wanting 15 minutes of fame.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
83. Here. I generally NEVER click on "Check In Here" threads,
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:35 PM
Aug 2013

but for THIS one,
DURec!

You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
84. Yall ever feel like you are in a isolation Chamber
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:37 PM
Aug 2013

better recount yall's numbers.... most Democrats feel he is Traitor and a thief and got off too easy!

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
121. Uh, no...you have no basis for saying that...and you don't speak for "Most Democrats"
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:29 PM
Aug 2013

Like everyone else here, you speak only for yourself.

Why would you ever defend a life-destroying sentence for a man who did no harm? There was no reason, for example, that the secret U.S. Army murder of a journalist in Iraq should ever have been KEPT secret...or should ever have happened.

None of the secrets Manning revealed were ever aimed at any honorable or progressive objectives-the national security state HAS no non-evil intentions.

Maineman

(854 posts)
85. We need some leaders with integrity and a sense of justice. Mr. President, what about you?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:38 PM
Aug 2013

Justice in this country is as poor as the distribution of wealth. Sooner or later, things are going to explode.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
93. K&R! I'm all for it.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:45 PM
Aug 2013

Throw the REAL criminals in prison, like the Wall Street fraudsters, the torturers, and the war profiteers.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
97. No pardon is another strike against Democrats.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:48 PM
Aug 2013

Fucking murdering, torturing, thieving monsters not just walking free, but getting filthy fucking rich and not even being prosecuted, let alone sentenced to the terms they DESERVE. But tell the truth about their crimes and get 35 years.

How's that "look forward" horseshit working?

Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
106. And an immediate honoring of him with the Nobel Peace Prize
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:05 PM
Aug 2013

to slap our increasingly FASCIST government in the face!

Gator_Matt

(188 posts)
108. Manning's sentence is an outrage
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:11 PM
Aug 2013

The cockroaches in government don't like having the light shone on them.

Rockyj

(538 posts)
111. I am in Tears
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:19 PM
Aug 2013

after reading how Bradley comforted his legal team.

"He said Manning looked at him and said: “It’s OK. It’s all right, don’t worry about it. I know you did your best. It’s OK. I’m gonna be OK. I’m gonna get through this.”

Coombs added: “I’m in a position where my client is cheering me up. That shouldn’t happen, but he is a resilient young man. If nothing else, he is resilient, for sure.”




http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/21/bradley-manning-comforts-his-own-sobbing-legal-team-im-gonna-be-ok/

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
112. Bradley Manning pleads guilty to misusing classified data in WikiLeaks case
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:22 PM
Aug 2013

By Medina Roshan
FORT MEADE, Maryland
Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:50pm EST
... Military judge Colonel Denise Lind accepted the guilty pleas late in the afternoon. Manning pleaded guilty to a series of 10 lesser charges that he misused classified information and faces a maximum of 20 years in prison for those offenses ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/28/us-usa-wikileaks-manning-idUSBRE91R0T720130228

struggle4progress

(118,228 posts)
169. Nobody's celebrating. It's a sad case, involving a confused kid, who released hundreds of thousands
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:03 AM
Aug 2013

of documents he hadn't read

It's not entirely clear why he did so. A defense witness said he had diagnosed Manning as having gender dysphoria ... as well as narcissism and obsessive-compulsive behavior. Those problems were compounded by the unraveling of a romantic relationship, the stress of serving in a Baghdad combat base and post-adolescent idealism

I consider the notion, evident throughout this thread -- that a PFC should be entitled to interfere in US diplomacy without major consequence -- to be an extremely ill-conceived and dangerous notion. Allowing a PFC to do so can only lead to such behavior from cabals of young lieutenants or from groups of generals, who might act with less naivete but more experience, more skill, and more malice

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
114. I Agree, Immediate Pardon. Remember Obama's promise to protect whistleblowers?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:34 PM
Aug 2013
From: OBAMA CHANGE.ORG WEBSITE

Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. (SCRUBBED)

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/16184-obama-promise-to-protect-whistleblowers-scrubbed-from-website

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
116. Amnesty International petition gaining steam on white house petition site
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:08 PM
Aug 2013

Short link: http://wh.gov/lgG58


Restore the United States’ human rights record and grant clemency to Pvt. Bradley Manning!

The prosecution of Bradley Manning starkly contrasts to the US govt's repeated failure to deliver justice for serious human rights violations committed during counter-terror operations of the past decade.

Manning, who released classified information exposing potential breaches of international humanitarian law by US forces, was sentenced in military court on Aug 21st to 35 yrs in prison.

Manning's severe sentence contrasts with the leniency given those responsible for torture and other types of grave human rights violations he revealed.

To reduce this blight on the US human rights record, President Obama should grant Manning clemency for time served, protect whistleblowers, and provide accountability for crimes like those Manning exposed.

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL

PARDON.BRADLEYMANNING.ORG
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
119. Obama is going to let Siegelman and Manning rot in prison but pardon Bush
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:15 PM
Aug 2013

and the gang. It's class warfare.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
132. Never understood why Obama hasn't pardoned Siegelman, either.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:57 PM
Aug 2013

It's not as if the admin. benefits from the last Democratic governor of Alabama dying in a prison cell.



 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
157. To become president he had to make a deal with the devil. Apparently the devil dont like
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:08 AM
Aug 2013

Gov Siegelman.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
131. Yes YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:45 PM
Aug 2013

Pardon Bradley who "quaintly" thought I should know what "my" government was doing! Ms Bigmack

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
136. Free Manning and imprison the
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:04 PM
Aug 2013

war criminals and the banksters.

Sadly things are too FUBAR for anything of the sort to happen.

Julie

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
138. Obama will never pardon Bradley Manning. The Establishment has him by the balls >>
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:42 PM
Aug 2013

and you folks should know that. We're headed down the road to a total militaristic state .. it's here.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
152. Minneapolis emergency protest demands pardon for Bradley Manning
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 11:04 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.fightbacknews.org/2013/8/21/minneapolis-emergency-protest-demands-pardon-bradley-manning?utm_source=Fight%20Back%21%20News%20Service&utm_campaign=461597c828-UA-743468-8&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_acdbc87f5c-461597c828-263618909

Minneapolis, MN – About 50 supporters of WikiLeaks whistleblower Bradley Manning joined an emergency rally at the Federal Building here, Aug. 21, in response to Military Judge Denise Lind’s sentencing him to 35 years in prison. The protest was called by Free Bradley Manning-Minneapolis and was one of the many held across the U.S. sponsored or coordinated by the Bradley Manning Support Network.

A statement from protest organizers demanded President Obama “fulfill his campaign promises to promote government transparency and protect whistleblowers by pardoning Bradley Manning.”

Jess Sundin, a leader of the Anti-War Committee and one of the activists raided by the FBI in 2010, told the crowd, “According the ACLU, 35 years is the longest-ever prison sentence for leaking government secrets to the media. The government prosecuted Bradley Manning for espionage, but we know that his real ‘crime,’ in their eyes, was to expose the inhumane conduct of the American war machine. He told the world the truth about secrets shared by war criminals. We are here today, because prosecuting this man is the shameful act of cowards, afraid for the world to know what kind of monsters they really are. We are here today, because we know why Bradley Manning has been targeted, and we will not stand by silently while this injustice is carried out in our names.”

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
156. Whoever thought intimidation was a good strategy is wrong
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 11:57 PM
Aug 2013

it is not only emboldening more people to follow in these whistleblowers' footsteps, but ruining the public trust and foreign relations.

Intimidation is a sign of desperation and lack of imagination and negotiating skills, of which have long lasting benefits for all.

I remember when 'We don't negotiate with terrorists' became our new foreign policy. The mantra of arms dealers. People were not interesting anymore, they were either obedient or terrorists, the art of diplomacy became a lost art. The world (as reported to us by increasingly incorporated news) became much harsher, simplistic and violent.

These are the endgames and results of having our information interfered with-- more extremism, ignorance and infighting. Less understanding and patience--and the gradual dehumanization of targeted groups-- who ever happens to be the biggest threat to the status quo. Right now that happens to be information, and who has access to it.

But next time who will be the targets? And what will be the methods of intimidation then? This is a very bad trajectory

Unless the public trust means nothing.

raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
162. Yes.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:23 AM
Aug 2013

If we can pardon the psychopathic mass-murderers who lied to start the Iraq war in search of higher profits, then we can surely pardon Bradley Manning.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
164. I'd support a sentence commutation to time served
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:47 AM
Aug 2013

He was a kid who got in over his head with some shady characters, seems genuinely remorseful, and is obviously not likely to do anything like this again.

lofty1

(62 posts)
170. Bradley Manning's pardon must be demanded overwhelmingly
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:24 AM
Aug 2013

It's going to take a movement to make this happen. This NSA shadow government does not want top give up its power.

polynomial

(750 posts)
180. The Manning/Snowden effect
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:14 AM
Aug 2013

Reading important reasoning about the effect Manning and Snowden added to this new age, or some are saying opened America up to the real America that needs repair.

This is the most serious part of the infrastructure that America has failed at. The morality, the disgrace, the reputation and especially the political behavior in what actions we endure and witness. America finds out we have secret courts, secret legislation, secret prosecution, secret agencies secret judges, that are government elected or appointed that collect data that ultimately is used to profiteer to make money off the American public.

A Republic, a Democracy in secret ?Does not sound normal. That is tyranny.

Our tax money is used against us as the majority figure this out Americans realize we did not have the freedom or liberty by the people as called out in the Constitution. We even argue with venom, prejudice, and hate to keep our selves healthy Americans are in a political dishonorable warp drive that stalls the very healthcare industry we need. Daily political people freely work to demonize the way to be healthy, torturing with lies daily via the mainstream media. Besides the lies about war to use the government system to profiteer murder gerrymander power.

All these action by elected officials appear to be traditional law not the real system law. Imagine interpreting law in secret all very frightening propelling cynicism especially distrust. The results are a citizen ship broken along with the government that is broken. So some brave Americans take a chance to dump the reasons, secret stuff to the public then we the people get to see if those secret choices are a benefit for the one percent or for everyone.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
182. Watching the drone strike on the reporters and then the 1st responders with the 2 little kids
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:08 AM
Aug 2013

Is enough to make your heart break with the injustice of it all. I wonder what those American drone operators feel knowing what they did in their blood lust to shoot 1st and ask questions later.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
184. Chelsea deserves nothing less
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:24 AM
Aug 2013

I strongly support a pardon for Manning. And I'm proud of her bravery to live as the gender she feels she is.

Giving her hormone therapy should be considered a civil right.

And if people don't know what I'm referring to with Chelsea, check out the article here:

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=national&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57599677/bradley-manning-i-want-to-live-as-a-woman-named-chelsea/&feed_id=1&videoid=37&catid=57599677

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
196. Manning should get what he deserves . . .the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:06 PM
Aug 2013


He put his life and liberty in peril by taking his oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same." seriously, and expose illegal crimes which the powers that be have chosen to defend.

Because of his willingness to take moral action despite peril to his life and liberty, Manning should get what he deserves:

(1.) a pardon

(2.) the Congressional Medal of Honor

(3.) the Nobel Peace Prize

(4.) a parade

















rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
198. While I agree in principle...
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:59 PM
Aug 2013

It won't happen, because as in the old USSR, there is a need for the authoritarian government to save face.
Without pressure, parole might happen in a few years, with it he may join Leonard Peltier.

 

RedCloud2

(8 posts)
199. I still say he is a true hero.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:16 PM
Aug 2013

This never changed, Why must they punish those who do good and reward or hide (as the torturers)those who do evil?

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