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G_j

(40,366 posts)
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:14 PM Aug 2013

aggressively prosecute those who expose war crimes, and diligently protect those who commit them

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/08/21-3

Published on Wednesday, August 21, 2013 by Common Dreams

Global Progressive Community Reacts to Manning Sentence

35 year sentence proves US will 'aggressively prosecute those who expose war crimes, and diligently protect those who commit them.'

- Jon Queally, staff writer

Announcement of Pfc. Bradley Manning's 35 year prison sentence by military Judge Col. Denise Lind on Wednesday was met with swift condemnation in the U.S. and across the globe with progressives and supporters of the army whistleblower calling the sentence a clear miscarriage of justice.

Though less than the 60 years military prosecutors had pushed for, many critics of the three and a half decade sentence say that in the context of recent war crimes that have gone unpunished—including the invasion of Iraq, the killing of civilians in Afghanistan and elsewhere, extrajudicial killings, torture, rendition, and warrantless surveillance—it seems absurd to punish a young man who was motivated to expose some of the workings of these misdeeds via public disclosure.

What follows is a sampling of statements—including tweets, excerpts, etc.—cataloging the reaction from human rights groups, experts, journalists, and activists on the sentencing announcement.

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aggressively prosecute those who expose war crimes, and diligently protect those who commit them (Original Post) G_j Aug 2013 OP
Expose crimes: Jail. Commit crimes: Nobel Peace Prize leftstreet Aug 2013 #1
Worked for Kissinger Hydra Aug 2013 #2
Some of us suspected that, when truedelphi Aug 2013 #4
I thought Geithner worked for Kissinger G_j Aug 2013 #5
Possibly? Hydra Aug 2013 #9
On the official WH page, for Obama's staff, truedelphi Aug 2013 #16
that says it all G_j Aug 2013 #17
k&r n/t RainDog Aug 2013 #3
Sadly, that about sums it up n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #6
Force may not make right, but it sure decides who is "wrong." If you are weak and disagree JDPriestly Aug 2013 #7
Hopeless and Changelesss. tblue Aug 2013 #8
The newly declassifed documents Cryptoad Aug 2013 #10
This is about Bradley Manning and him exposing Iraq war crimes and his sentence neverforget Aug 2013 #22
I dont think you even read teh title of the document. Cryptoad Aug 2013 #23
Lol. This thread isn't about Snowden or FISA. neverforget Aug 2013 #24
My best guess is that Obama is furiously trying to keep prosecutions from happening mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #11
Yes we seem to have lost our way and have got it gopiscrap Aug 2013 #12
Hope. Change. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #13
Does exposing the misdeeds of war criminals get one persecuted, prosecuted, and given a indepat Aug 2013 #14
Please let us march and protest and demand PUBLICLY FUNDED ELECTIONS!!! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #15
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #18
White House message to whistle-blowers of war crimes: FUCK YOU. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #19
At least Team Obama is consistent 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #20
Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War cantbeserious Aug 2013 #21
so when the prosecution stated they wanted a stiff G_j Aug 2013 #25
Official policy, no matter if (D) or (R).... Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #26

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
4. Some of us suspected that, when
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 05:42 PM
Aug 2013

Geithner was appointed, and then Kissinger was called in to be his adviser.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
9. Possibly?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:13 PM
Aug 2013

It's hard to follow all the connections- it's a huge incestuous orgy and it's like all of them are related, work together in various places or on various boards, or both.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
16. On the official WH page, for Obama's staff,
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:01 PM
Aug 2013

Circa 2009, Kissinger was one of Obama's advisers.

I don't know if Geithner worked for K. or not, though.

I was too busy tracking the lies Geithner told Congress back in 2009. He should have been impeached from his office at Treasury for lying not once but at least twice to Congress.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. Force may not make right, but it sure decides who is "wrong." If you are weak and disagree
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:11 PM
Aug 2013

with those with a lot of force, you will pay. The strong profit from their crimes while the poor pay for the pettiest of "crimes." That's the way it seems to work in the US these days.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
22. This is about Bradley Manning and him exposing Iraq war crimes and his sentence
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:33 PM
Aug 2013

But I'm sure you knew that

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
23. I dont think you even read teh title of the document.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:44 PM
Aug 2013

you are just making stuff as you type now.... geez

"Semi-Annual Assessment of Compliance with the Procedures and Guidelines Issued Pursuant to Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Submitted by the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence"

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
24. Lol. This thread isn't about Snowden or FISA.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:48 PM
Aug 2013

It's about Manning.

And what does that redacted document have to do with this?

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
11. My best guess is that Obama is furiously trying to keep prosecutions from happening
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:21 PM
Aug 2013

because he doesn't want the country to become deeply embroiled in q (real) scandle. He wants to "move forward" instead, which I can kind of understand. Unfortunately, just denying the past doesn't make it go away, invites future crimes, and makes it seem like a cover-up.

This country seriously needs to open up this and other big-ass cans of worms and deal with it! Without prosecuting the banks for STEALING houses from people, they're doing it again. They're doing other things that caused the '08 crash again. Not prosecuting the Bush admin for starting an illegal war or for torture invites future (or present) presidents to do the same, but also destroys any failth in the system to stop the powerful from doing whatever they want.

With the deck so stacked against the average person, if said person decides they're going to break the law to get ahead somehow, I really can't condemn or even blame them.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
14. Does exposing the misdeeds of war criminals get one persecuted, prosecuted, and given a
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:51 PM
Aug 2013

long prison sentence whereas those who perpetrated the war crimes get diligently protected? Does this clarify the system of justice in the land of the free and home of the brave.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
15. Please let us march and protest and demand PUBLICLY FUNDED ELECTIONS!!!
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:58 PM
Aug 2013

Lets get our Representative government back and then pardon Manning, give him reparations and a hero's welcome home!
If we get rid of the campaign cash bonanza that allows legal bribery of our politicians by the corporations and the 1%, we can fix all of the things that are wrong with this once great country! Bust up the big banks and media conglomerates. Stop the subsidies to the richest corporations in the world and give them to the alternative energy companies that need them!
Above all, remember how this shit happened so it cannot be repeated in the next thousand years!

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
20. At least Team Obama is consistent
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:18 PM
Aug 2013

Consistently covering up War Crimes and pardoning those who commit them

Yay USA!! ... WarCrimesR-Us!!!

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
21. Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:31 PM
Aug 2013
http://warisacrime.org/content/obama-doj-asks-court-grant-immunity-george-w-bush-iraq-war#.UhPHfrX5o3Q.facebook

By Inder Comar

SAN FRANCISCO, Calif., (Aug. 20, 2013) — In court papers filed today (PDF), the United States Department of Justice requested that George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice and Paul Wolfowitz be granted procedural immunity in a case alleging that they planned and waged the Iraq War in violation of international law.

Plaintiff Sundus Shaker Saleh, an Iraqi single mother and refugee now living in Jordan, filed a complaint in March 2013 in San Francisco federal court alleging that the planning and waging of the war constituted a “crime of aggression” against Iraq, a legal theory that was used by the Nuremberg Tribunal to convict Nazi war criminals after World War II.

"The DOJ claims that in planning and waging the Iraq War, ex-President Bush and key members of his Administration were acting within the legitimate scope of their employment and are thus immune from suit,” chief counsel Inder Comar of Comar Law said.

Snip ....

http://warisacrime.org/sites/afterdowningstreet.org/files/Certification%20of%20Scope%20of%20Employment.pdf

G_j

(40,366 posts)
25. so when the prosecution stated they wanted a stiff
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:14 AM
Aug 2013

sentence to, 'send a message' to others.
What kind of message is the DOJ sending to potential war criminals?

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