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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:17 PM Aug 2013

Where is the OUTRAGE? WSJ Reports "75% of Americans Spied on" Reported from Un-named Sources!

Why are the Un-named Sources not being Hunted Down for Espionage against America? Who Leaked to the WSJ that this was going on during the Olympics and we don't know that it ended with that. So...is anyone going to go after the WSJ and hammer their Hard Drives into Oblivion?

Shouldn't "WSJ" be held to same standards as what happened to the GUARDIAN?

INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO ASK THIS!

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Latest Leak: NSA Can Spy On Almost Anything, Gets To Set Its Own Filters
from the and-another-shoe-drops dept


And, here we go again. This time, it's the WSJ journal with the scoop on NSA surveillance, and how the defenders of the NSA have been lying to us. Despite claims that the NSA was really only focused on foreign communications, the WSJ is reporting that it actually covers 75% of US internet traffic:

[
The National Security Agency—which possesses only limited legal authority to spy on U.S. citizens—has built a surveillance network that covers more Americans' Internet communications than officials have publicly disclosed, current and former officials say.

The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence, including a wide array of communications by foreigners and Americans. In some cases, it retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S. and also filters domestic phone calls made with Internet technology, these people say.



Basically, they're just revealing more details about the things that whistleblower Mark Klein revealed years ago: that the NSA has deals with the major telcos which scoop up a huge amount of internet traffic.

The programs, code-named Blarney, Fairview, Oakstar, Lithium and Stormbrew, among others, filter and gather information at major telecommunications companies. Blarney, for instance, was established with AT&T Inc., former officials say. AT&T declined to comment.

This filtering takes place at more than a dozen locations at major Internet junctions in the U.S., officials say.


The WSJ report is wrong on one account, though. It claims that people believed that the NSA's filtering actually happened "where undersea or other foreign cables enter the country" but that's not true. Mark Klein made it clear that the NSA had machines directly on AT&T's property.

And, of course, it will come as no surprise that these programs that work directly with telcos to tap into full internet traffic aren't just about metadata:

...this set of programs shows the NSA has the capability to track almost anything that happens online, so long as it is covered by a broad court order.

[....] Inevitably, officials say, some U.S. Internet communications are scanned and intercepted, including both "metadata" about communications, such as the "to" and "from" lines in an email, and the contents of the communications themselves.



This also shouldn't be a surprise. For all the talk of "metadata" it was always clear that the surveillance defenders were talking about this program only, which was the Patriot Act Section 215 "business records" program. But other programs, such as these listed above, were clearly about actual content as well.

MORE AT:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/18365124262/latest-leak-nsa-can-spy-almost-anything-gets-to-set-its-own-filters.shtml
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Where is the OUTRAGE? WSJ Reports "75% of Americans Spied on" Reported from Un-named Sources! (Original Post) KoKo Aug 2013 OP
Wow that needs to go viral gopiscrap Aug 2013 #1
I've Been Outraged For Some Time Now... People Here Tell Me My Hair Is On Fire... WillyT Aug 2013 #2
lol's...it's amazing how WSJ (Murdoch) accused in GB of Spying Gets a PASS KoKo Aug 2013 #5
As Richard Pryor Once Said... WillyT Aug 2013 #6
"Just=Us".........YEP! KoKo Aug 2013 #12
To be fair, "has the capacity to reach roughly 75%" is not the same as "75% of Americans Spied on" arcane1 Aug 2013 #3
75% is 75%... which means that 75% of us is being Spied On. KoKo Aug 2013 #8
Actually a lot closer to 100 percent, it seems. woo me with science Aug 2013 #4
I think it's 75% of all Traffic...was my Read of the whole article. KoKo Aug 2013 #13
Thanks for the tip. woo me with science Aug 2013 #18
Oh! It is the WSJ...well this thread will get ignored by the Usual Suspects. Rex Aug 2013 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #9
Why isn't the "Capacity" 100%? ThoughtCriminal Aug 2013 #10
But...the Capacity to Spy...means they will go to the Full Capacity...which KoKo Aug 2013 #11
But, But - Obama Told Me That The NSA Was Good And Virtuous - And That I Had No Reason For Concern cantbeserious Aug 2013 #14
Interesting. That's about the number supporting those who have most of the assets. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #15
The newly declassifed documents Cryptoad Aug 2013 #16
I think propably 75% is about right. LiberalArkie Aug 2013 #17
LOL Egnever Aug 2013 #19
Yeah, Egnever, that's what they do. They hire people to read it all. Bonobo Aug 2013 #20
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
2. I've Been Outraged For Some Time Now... People Here Tell Me My Hair Is On Fire...
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:20 PM
Aug 2013

And I'd like to keep what little I have left.





& Rec !!!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. lol's...it's amazing how WSJ (Murdoch) accused in GB of Spying Gets a PASS
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:10 PM
Aug 2013

on their Blockbuster story that got coverage on Bloomberg Financial News...while Bradley Manning gets 35 Years...Snowden is hunted like a Rabid Dog, Greenwald and Partner are Trashed Daily and we have a LIST of NSA Whistleblowers who are "Serving Time" or have been thrown out of Employment.

Interesting ...Isn't it. the UNEQUAL JUSTICE in "America...Land of the Free and Home of the Brave....

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
6. As Richard Pryor Once Said...
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:19 PM
Aug 2013
Richard Pryor once told an all-too-real joke in the early '70s that he related to people of color and their interactions with the police: "If you're looking for justice, that's just what you'll find -- just us." Of course the joke is funny, but Pryor was making a valid point, one that is still valid now: the experience people of color routinely encounter with the police is vastly different from that of the average white person.


Link: http://dailyuw.com/archive/2001/05/16/imported/theres-no-justice-theres-just-us#.UhVKRdJjuSo

We all ******* now...




 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
3. To be fair, "has the capacity to reach roughly 75%" is not the same as "75% of Americans Spied on"
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 06:28 PM
Aug 2013

But either way, it's too much

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
8. 75% is 75%... which means that 75% of us is being Spied On.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:21 PM
Aug 2013

We have a "Small Business" dealing with European Clients. To save Travel Costs we use Skype and E-Mail Heavily.

We have a European Client who is looking to do business with us who has a Venture Capitalist Financer who can Fund the Deal an they live in a Country Targeted by NSA.

Let's say our business has a German or Swiss Client...who relies on Saudi/Chinese or Other Investment Clients to Invest in our targeted business that we are Pitching to Them.

We link oursleves to a "Conference Call" between all "interested partners" but our COMPETITERS are clued into US INTERNATIONALS PHONE TAPS...and they don't Want our DEAL to go FORWARD....so they use Booz-Allen or other "favored source" that our Government considers "Privileged" and they get DATA on our E-Mails/Skyp to Ditch OUR Proposal for Business to favor "Booz-Allen" or maybe Goldman-Sachs, Mc Kinsey Partners for Research or maybe JP Morgan who has clients all across the Globe looking to have Insight into the deal we (Small Business) is trying to do a deal with.

If they have access to all our Small Business Stuff...the BIG GUYS can come in and BID AHEAD OF US...and we are OUT OF IT. We have to lay off support personnel...and Lose Out...because we can't FIGHT THE BIG GUYS who are monitoring our small deals. Our Small Deals are how Capitalism is supposed to work...where the Small can Grow Bigger...but, if the BIG GUYS had an Advantage...then we are CUT OUT... We can't GROW.

This is Capitalism for the 1% and not for Job GROWTH!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
4. Actually a lot closer to 100 percent, it seems.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:02 PM
Aug 2013

The article you linked doesn't say 75 percent of Americans; it says 75 percent of internet traffic. I don't have access to the WSJ paid site, but I wonder about the quote in your headline, because it sounds like the WSJ, if that was their headline, got it wrong in a very misleading way.

As these posts have pointed out, the vast majority of internet traffic is streaming video and audio like Netflix or Youtube, and bots/advertising/automated traffic.

A spinning Government is a Lying Government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023458007

The Wildly Misleading PR Claim re: NSA Spying: "We only monitor 1.6 percent of web traffic."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023438572



If they are spying on 75 percent of all internet traffic, when the vast majority of traffic that *exists* is stuff like TV shows and advertising that they're clearly not after, they have basically admitted that they are spying on EVERYONE.



KoKo

(84,711 posts)
13. I think it's 75% of all Traffic...was my Read of the whole article.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:21 PM
Aug 2013

The way to get around the WSJ Paywall is to cut and paste the Title into your Search Engine of Choice. It will come up for you.

They were really focusing on the Olympics in Salt Lake City...but their "WhistleBlower/Leakers...were saying it's 75% of incoming traffic. Whatever...it's interesting WSJ comes out adding to the Snowden Reports.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
18. Thanks for the tip.
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:35 AM
Aug 2013

I never thought of doing that!

Seventy-five percent of all traffic is sure what it looks like. I think at this point "Collect it All" is a pretty safe assumption when it comes to their efforts re: personal information.



 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. Oh! It is the WSJ...well this thread will get ignored by the Usual Suspects.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:20 PM
Aug 2013

It goes against their narrative.

Response to KoKo (Original post)

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
10. Why isn't the "Capacity" 100%?
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:33 PM
Aug 2013

Are there that many hermits with no phones, email, internet, credit cards, bank accounts, catalogs or friends?

But I'm starting to wonder if some of us are incapable of understanding the difference between "Spied on" and "Capacity to spy on"

The U.S. Air Force has the capacity to kill every American 500 times.
The U.S. Air Force killed everybody 500 times.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. But...the Capacity to Spy...means they will go to the Full Capacity...which
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:08 PM
Aug 2013

is the way it usually works.

If you can get more Govt. Funding to GO FOR IT! i.e. Full Capacity...why would you hold back. It means JOBS for this President (or the Bush Era Regime) in a lagging economy.

You can understand that...can't you?

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
14. But, But - Obama Told Me That The NSA Was Good And Virtuous - And That I Had No Reason For Concern
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:26 PM
Aug 2013

eom

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
17. I think propably 75% is about right.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:22 PM
Aug 2013

Let's take a small telco that has a large backbone of its own. Probably only hits AT&T and Verizon and Comcast when then traffic has to leave its network.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
19. LOL
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:51 AM
Aug 2013

And then they spent the next 30 years trying to read through it all.

This is getting beyond silly at this point.

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