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Bradley Manning was today jailed for 35 years for leaking classified documents to the Wikileaks website, before admitting he wished hed just got his kicks shooting black kids.
Pte First Class Bradley Manning, 25, was convicted in July of 20 charges against him, including espionage, but was not charged with the far lesser crime of killing an unarmed black teenager.
Manning spoke to reporters after the hearing, to admit his disappointment at the sentence, telling those gathered, I look back to that fateful day and wish Id just left those files on my computer and gone out and shot a black kid instead.
I tell you now, my life would be a lot less complicated if Id only taken the life of a young person from a different ethnic background, instead of sending some documents to a website.
I am sure that for the rest of my days I will rue the decision to send some emails and not to kill a black teenager.
Legal experts have expressed support for the 35 year sentence given to Manning, by explaining that members of the public dont actually understand how the law works.
Former lawyer Simon Williams explained, Illegally taking information you dont have the right to access, and using it for your own purposes is only properly illegal if youre not a government agency.
Governments can do what they like with information theyre not allowed to have if nothing else, Prism has taught us that.
Whereas absolutely anyone can shoot a black teenager to death, obviously.
http://newsthump.com/2013/08/21/bradley-manning-wishing-hed-just-shot-an-unarmed-black-teenager/
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)guess it's ok to joke about a dead black kid on DU now.
And every person that rec'd that shit, ought to be a shamed. If Rush or Hannity had made some fucked up joke like that, we'd have burned the house down condemning them.
Fucking disgusting.
Oh yeah, that's fucking hilarious.
Yeah, I know it's satire, but some shit ain't funny.
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)the life of a black child and the reputation of the U.S. govt???
My god, how dare thee!!!
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I don't give a rat's ass what you think of my opinion.
A white man was sentenced to prison today and YOU think it's ok to satirize the death of a black child to make your fucked up point. Wonder how his mother would feel. Why don't you email this to her and find out.
I stand my assertion it's disgusting and vile.
edited to add: I know all I need to know about you and every other person in this thread that thinks this is ok.
Thank you!
William769
(55,144 posts)Cha
(297,149 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Nothing is off limits here anymore.
Fucked up point, indeed.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Thanks!
Not cool.
Not funny.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I feel the same way.
Initech
(100,063 posts)donheld
(21,311 posts)Javaman
(62,517 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Not to put too fine a point on it, anyone who thinks the original post was OK can fuck most thoroughly off.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)It's very angry, bitter satire deploring the unfairness that allowed George Zimmerman to elude prison time he definitely deserved, while Bradley Manning received a ridiculous amount of prison time he did not deserve. Not intended to make anyone laugh, IMO.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)great, cuz it made me want to puke.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)But I'm sure the article came from sheer outrage, not any sort of levity.
delrem
(9,688 posts)But the cases aren't equal and neither are the reasons people judge that they're just/unjust.
This isn't fair to either case - individual cases are just that, individual, and the way I think about Zimmerman isn't even close to the way I think about Manning.
I'm totally dumbfounded by the laws that let Zimmerman go free.
I agree with those who think Manning is a hero, a person who did a heroic thing - and this is because I don't support a global police state. On the other hand his action was Gandhiesque and he followed Gandhi's example all the way, maintaining a non-violent opposition to whatever done to him, always respectful of the people. I think if Manning had escaped to Ecuador Gandhi would be smiling. Gandhi didn't advocate being a slave in a bondage game. pacifist != slave.
Those who sneer at Snowden for being a "coward" (that's what they say!) because he isn't proactive in giving himself in to state hands, to state and military courts, are NOT echoing Gandhi.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)votesparks
(1,288 posts)This is from a political satire site, like the onion. This is satire, and pretty spot on I must say.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You just tweaked the noses of some who wished Manning got even more time.
But the story is that shooting and unarmed black kid is less offensive than copy/paste some info that embarrassed a few big shot elitist. Manning saved many lives. He did not kill anyone and his incarceration is a crime.
Thanks, votesparks.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)Obviously you're not Black.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The idea as I see it is to point out the ridiculousness of the comparative sentences. One being the shooting in which the killer got off and the other, a minor crime in comparison getting a 35 year sentence.
Are we cool now?
sheshe2
(83,745 posts)The real sentence was for Trayvon, he was issued a death sentence by Zimmerman. His crime was walking home from the convenience store.
Manning was accused of a crime for leaking hundreds of thousands of classified documents to the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks. He admitted it!
Trayvon's death is being demeaned here. It's not funny and no it's not "satire.
sheshe2
(83,745 posts)America weeps, this is our shame, when people can call this satire.
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)Those things are required for humor and/or satire.
Anyone who finds this funny has the intellectual depth of a puddle of piss in the Sahara Desert in August at high noon and not near the duration.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)It feels kinda weird to be thanked for common courtesy(?) understanding(?) I don't know what to call it; the right thing to do and say(?); I hope you understand what I mean by that.
Whatever it's called and for whatever it might have contributed, you're welcome.
Well put....
sheshe2
(83,745 posts)That Trayvon were more dead? Just saying!!!!
one_voice
(20,043 posts)That Trayvon were more dead?
Tweaked the noses..indeed.
sheshe2
(83,745 posts)You are right it's
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's someone aping the Onion, without getting why the Onion works.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)It's brutal. It's spot on.
It might make people cringe more than think
defacto7
(13,485 posts)It makes me think that the satire and response is worth more than the reality of Manning being punished. Satire is only entertainment if it overrides the importance of the message and in this case, it covered it completely.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)late-imperial America, but satire as a literary tradition is way more significant than 'entertainment.' At its best, satire is both utile et dulce (useful and entertaining or 'sweet'), but the best satire is never purely dulce.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)I said this satire was for entertainment. among other things....
The only literary tradition in this OP is one that hopefully will quickly run it's course as it redefines itself as adultescence.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)ret5hd
(20,491 posts)I understand completely.
They just don't like being shown how much of a travesty both events were, because it shows what the people in power think all too clearly.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)how much of a travesty both events were? I think that someone needs to be taught what a travesty it is to cover up the reality of the Manning punishment with titillating satire at the cost of another travesty that is still hard on the minds of many. Those who would use it for entertainment purposes have lost the meaning of travesty and the cost will be a few cheep laughs on RW sites.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Just like they needed to see EarlG's Pic.
What's titillating about the satire, btw? Would it have suited your tastes better to have shown that he could have supported the war crimes and come home a "Hero"? Cuz no one seems to see the crime in that...
defacto7
(13,485 posts)and so do most people commenting. Just not in this context. It blows the context. Satire in itself is not necessarily titillating, but this "satire" is meant to be. Maybe that is what those who support this joke don't see. Maybe that is what the OP doesn't see.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)One was an innocent kid. INNOCENT and shot and killed. Another admitted to a crime. He plead guilty. He stole documents. Very different. Don't do this...OMG...let me cool off because obviously it will not go through your head. Say it's "satire" and I'm sure you'll sleep easy. You don't see what some of us are hurt by and you will never fuckin see it.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)sheshe2
(83,745 posts)This is post worthy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/06/ebony-trayvon-covers-sons-photos_n_3715134.html
Unfricking believable along with the recs that got this here.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)and/or offended by this..means we have our noses out of joint or don't get the satire or some such fucking nonsense.
sheshe2
(83,745 posts)That does not make it amusing.
Did you think Daniel Tosh's jokes about rape were funny? Many did! Guess what. It was not.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)Talk about people not getting it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)You should have seen the comments I got from my alert. It's just "satire." I'm done with them. See you on facebook N23.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I honestly don't know what has brought me back here and KEEPS bringing me back because it's sure as hell not the "sophisticated" and "informed" discourse from a "diverse" membership. Hell, I'm surprised that my keyboard would even let me type those words in this forum.
Come hang out in the AA forum with the few remaining posters not living in La La Land. Do you think that would help?
vaberella
(24,634 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,745 posts)I guess all the people that are turning the likes of Manning, Snowden, Greenwald and Assange, into hero's forget.
They forget the innocent child that was shot to death. His crime was walking home from a convenience store. There is no compassion or any sense of humanity for this child's death. He is being ridiculed and demeaned by this "satire".
They seem to forget that Manning and Snowden were charged with crimes. Greenwald is complicit. Assange, well he lives somewhere that he will not face extradition for the charges against him. Was Trayvon, no he was not.
They cry about the rights of their hero's. What about Trayvon's rights?
This OP is happily being rec'ed, and given high fives. Slaps on the backs, it's so funny.
In my opinion, it is not. I find it sad.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)because you just don't want this place to die. Just thinking.
Number23
(24,544 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)I certainly have no idea why you would return then. Self-flagellation maybe.
The place needs good posters and you are one. Think... "they need me".
anyway....
Number23
(24,544 posts)sheshe2
(83,745 posts)Thanks one _voice it just makes me angry at the stupidity!
vaberella
(24,634 posts)B/c they obviously don't get how offensive this is. Where are the moderators to shut this down?!
sheshe2
(83,745 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)which will be used for RW propaganda. Let alone disrespectful to still grieving people.
There's no truth in it. Just sucker bait.
Number23
(24,544 posts)sheshe2
(83,745 posts)You can see it in the rec's!
Cha
(297,149 posts)brave enough to take his punishment. Trying to cash in on Trayvon Martin like his death was some kind of prize you can take out to whine about Manning's sentencing.
Assange, Greenwald, Snowden.. all cowards. Bradley not so much.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)It's offensive because it's true. Nobody is laughing at Trayvon Martin. They're laughing at the massive logic fail in the miscarriages of justice for Manning, and Martin in America that this piece of satire points out so deftly.
America is an unjust nation run by a tiny cabal of unjust oppressors.
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)Many of your fellow DUers have told you they find this extremely offensive.
I don't see anywhere in this quote where using two members of the powerless as fodder for "humor" against the powerful makes it any funnier.
There is no "shared humanity" in what you posted.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)I'm not going to delete because a lot of people have recommended this.
Censorship is for turds and tyrants. Not everyone has to feel good and happy about things.
I think this is spot on, dark satire. We can't always agree. I respect your input, however.
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)Kicking people when they're down is what bullies and scum do.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)work in the American government.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)leave it right where it is. No hiding behind self deletion. Too many have rec'd and defended this garbage.
They should own it.
All the pet names that have been thrown around DU for people that didn't fall in line with praise for Manning, Snowden, Assange, etc.
Well I have a pet name for the defenders of this crap. Let the light shine on them...
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)It's disgusting just the same and now I'm going to quit replying and hope it slides off the fucking page though it'll show elsewhere.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)for it to be self deleted and what you said up thread, I really do. Please don't take what I said as a slight against you, it wasn't intended that way.
sheshe2
(83,745 posts)I tried to get it hidden.
I alerted, but by the time I did it was already allowed to stand. I asked them to get this foul OP out of here. However, I then started alerting people that I know to come read it. To see the ones that are rec'ing it. I think we should get the word out.
one_voice.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)not with how DU has been recently.
I'm not at all surprised by who it rec'ing the thread. They have tunnel vision their cause, their agenda is all they can see.
I thought I'd seen the bottom until this. If nothing else it's far too soon to even think this is ok.
They don't care, they have no shame. They're proud of this shit.
Here's the tell, which one of them would hand this garbage to Trayvon's parents and explain 'sometimes the truth hurts' I'd pay all expenses for the loudest mouth to go personally hand this crap to Trayvons dad. Come out from behind your keyboard and own it.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I can guess without even looking.
They revel in this shit, and don't care what or who they use along the way. They''re so enveloped by their own twisted sense of self righteousness that they probably think that Trayvon's parents should appreciate their "efforts."
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" for an example of how satire can be most distinctly un-funny and yet still starkly illumniate society's brutality.
The piece the OP excerpts is not belittling Trayvon Martin's death or seeking to excuse it. Instead, it is pointing out that Zimmerman, Martin's admitted killer, received no sentence whatsoever, whereas Manning's sentence exceeds that even of confessed Iraqi torturers. This reveals the brutality of American 'justice' in ways no amount of sermonizing to the converted can.
No one ever said satire is supposed to be funny or convey 'humor'. That is a peculiarly American spin on satire and its functions, and a relatively recent one at that.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)I also recognized the blatant irony, saw that this post was going viral on Facebook, and thought it was worth sharing because of the irony that it points out.
Then I get called all kinds of dirty names. Oh well.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)apples and oranges.
Two different crimes
Military vs civilian court system
One case decided by a military judge the other by a jury of the defendants peers.
This 'satire' while supposed to be funny or not, missed the supposed comparison target by miles.
This went for shock value with a grab u head line, it was intended for hits.
It's vile.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)disagree. Manning's sentence is far longer than even the self-confessed Abu Ghraib torturers, FFS. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark and good satire is one way to show us the rot.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)a military court and a civilian court--which have different sentences for the same crimes to begin with--completely the same!
Yeah, we're gonna disagree.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)unarmed black teenager guilty of nothing more than walking while black (as did Zimmerman), Manning could have received less of a sentence than did even the self-confessed torturers of Abu Ghraib (not to mention their puppet masters).
Put it this way: had Manning merely tortured a few Iraqi detainees, he would have received a far less lengthy sentence than he received for his offenses. Because everyone in the American imperium knows that copying and pasting files is a far more serious offense than torturing women and children.
That should tell you that something is terribly amiss in late-imperial America. Satire is designed to reveal our blind spots to ourselves.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)for your dark satire to push your point. It's actually a better comparison. Not a kid that was killed not long ago for doing nothing more than minding his own business.
Listen I know Manning is a hero to many here and people are losing their shit over his sentence, but you don't get to take an incredibly hurtful and still fresh incident and use to say 'see my guy was treated unfairly that damn goverment' and not expect push back.
It reduces his death to a talking point--it makes Trayvons death all about Mannings sentence. Look at your response, it's about how Manning's sentence is unfair.
This so called satire is a slap in the face to many people here and the fact that I have to explain this is horrible.
I stand by what I said, there were much better comparisons that could have been used.
This was chosen to get hits and for the 'wow' factor. It'll be on other sites tomorrow and I wouldn't be surprised if you don't hear it on some talk radio.
I'm sure Trayvon would be so happy that his murder helped further your agenda and that sites hits.
Just for the record, I'm on board with a pardon for the guy. Hopefully he has more compassion than his some of his supporters.
edited to add: I'm done now. I'm done giving this piece of crap OP anymore kicks.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)showing not only his horror at Mannign's excessive sentence but (inferentially) his dismay at Zimmerman's exoneration. The satirist is showing a world out of balance, run amok, where a Zimmerman and Bush and Cheney walk free but PFC Manning takes a 35-year sentence.
Something is horribly rotten in the state of Denmark and all the high dudgeon in the world won't make the stench of that rot go away.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)and only because I don't want anyone left with the impression I didn't know it was Manning v Zimmerman.
I know...and I still say they could have used Abu Ghraib because you said this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3510964
Which means there were crimes and sentences handed down. A more comparable scenario anyway, both military justice. Not civilian law.
I don't believe for one minute that the author (and I use that term lightly) was horrified or dismayed by a damn thing, but was looking to garner hits for his site and to be talked about. I believe he will get his wish.
So, yes I understand they were trying to compare Zimmerman and Manning--I'm saying there were better examples.
Now I'm done.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)the author of the article if you want to attack someone. I just thought the darkness of American brutality that the piece reveals, and the difference in how each person, Zimmerman the murderer, and Manning the leaker are treated made it effective. I think the piece is more effective using a similar travesty of justice that is more recent, and provides such a stark contrast. I still think this. That does not make me evil or a doodyhead.
I really doubt that the family of Trayvon Martin, after all of the crazy tea party crap on Fox and all kinds of other nonsense, is going to be up in arms over this, or even paying attention to this piece.
My wife is also a black woman. She thought it was spot on satire too.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)"My wife is also a black woman."
Again, LMAO!!
Yeah, and my husband's a Klingon!
I guess now you are going to say. "I showed her this post and she said great satire".
muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)I don't think the civilian legal system should be let off the hook like that. It did not provide justice for Trayvon Martin, and that is what this OP is saying. I think it's also criticising the military system for a harsh sentence for Manning, and again, I think it's valid for it to make that criticism.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)what happened to Manning was not a horrible injustice. he got some years for stealing and based on good behavior and time served could be out in less than 10 years.
one can agree or disagree with the sentencing of Bradley. and about whether he should be pardoned. whether it was fair or not.
but the OP message seems to be since it's ok to kill a black kid i should be able to "fill in some crime seemed less bad than that".
the OP sees the injustice in not being able to get away with something because they dont' think it's as bad as killing a black kid.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)First word....
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2. A vain, self-important, silly, or aggressively stupid person.
Second word...
hole (hl)
n.
1. A hollowed place in something solid; a cavity or pit: dug a hole in the ground with a shovel.
2.
a. An opening or perforation: a hole in the clouds; had a hole in the elbow of my sweater.
b. Sports An opening in a defensive formation, such as the area of a baseball infield between two adjacent fielders.
c. A fault or flaw: There are holes in your argument.
3. A deep place in a body of water.
4. An animal's hollowed-out habitation, such as a burrow.
5. An ugly, squalid, or depressing dwelling.
6. A deep or isolated place of confinement; a dungeon.
theaocp
(4,236 posts)to ABHORRENCE regarding the Trayvon verdict is beyond me. Nonetheless, I see the same names coming up in outrage about this. Whatever. This is satire to the point that I had to triple-check if it came from the Onion.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)I guess.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Idiotic, tone-deaf, and obviously doing far more harm than good...
Response to votesparks (Original post)
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votesparks
(1,288 posts)Always see the truth as falling sky.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)all over that grave.
After all your super hero was sentenced today. What's a little satire at the expense of a dead black child.
I'll say the same to you; if this is so innocent, send it to his mother and see if she agrees that it needs to be said.
See if his father agrees that his son's corpse is the venue for YOU to raise your fucking point on.
I'm on board with the Manning clemency but his supporters, like you, make me want to puke.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)the government tapped danced over the grave of Trayvon by letting his killer go free, which is the point of this piece- the massive disparity of justice in America when you commit a violent crime compared to telling your fellow citizens about a violent crime.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)The Government (feds) had nothing to do with Trayvon Martins killer walking free. Manning was sentenced by the Military which isn't even comparable to civilian law. One was decided by a military judge the other by a jury of his peers. Apples and fucking oranges.
The banks could have been used as a comparison, EarlG had a fucking chart of people that could have been used. Many other comparisons--that would have been more apt in fact--could have been used.
But no, they used the death of a black child, and not one from years ago. NO, one that was recent, one that was still raw for many. And you actually have the fucking gall to act as though it's no biggie.
WHAT. THE. FUCK. EVER.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Self deleting.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)That means a lot. I don't want to puke anymore.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)race baiting seems to be the new normal on DU
I just had a duer post a map to the pre-Columbian Americas in response to my note that she post a map to things that were not there
I hope the sick twist didn't know I am tribal and was just being an unconscionable ass
radiclib
(1,811 posts)What the fuck has happened to this place? Maybe..just maybe..the post isn't supposed to be funny. Maybe it's meant to make a point. Did everyone here miss the point? Or should the point not be made because it uses a racial travesty to make it?
Exactly whose feelings are being hurt by this? Is someone somewhere around here laughing about shooting black kids?
The poster is obviously angry, and with good reason. But somehow, the most righteous anger is aimed at him/her?
votesparks
(1,288 posts)Attack the messenger. 25 Recs understood the irony in justice that this piece blatantly lays out.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)I think that it is refreshing to see so many standing up to the self serving, divisive posts which have no connection whatever to do with anything remotely to current topics or LBN. Please, do us all a favor, troll some where else.
radiclib
(1,811 posts)Sadly, those days are long gone.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)or rather the source's point, the road he/she took to it is probably best avoided: The feds didn't actually have anything to do with the Zimmerman case, which is part of the reason people are finding it offensive. The two have a tenuous connection (Having happened in the same country) at best. Other than that they're more or less completely unrelated. Hell, I wish the feds had been prosecuting the Zimmerman case. Then it's possible justice would have been done, instead of it being prosecuted by a bunch of stumblefucks that, not only didn't want to prosecute it to start with, but apparently routinely screwed up cases they did want to win.
While it's obvious the article is referencing Zimmerman, it's referring to him by way of Martin. I think that's part of the anger you're getting. It minimizes Martin, however unintentionally, by making him the punchline. I strongly doubt the original author intended to do it on purpose, but there you go. It's one of those things that if someone is going to write about it, especially in a satirical manner, it has to be done very carefully. The type of satire the original article's author intended, by it's very nature, almost cannot be written very carefully. That type of satire almost has to be brutal. The margin between a theraputic and a lethal dose is extremely small, so to speak.
The original source would have been better served if they'd gone with him wishing he'd tortured people or a host of other war crimes that carry zero penalty, since those would be prosecuted by the same people that prosecuted Manning, and are apparently totally not really crimes anymore.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Poor taste- check.
Bad timing- check.
Hurtful to those who care about our children being murdered- check.
You would never say anything like this to me in public. You'd be making a mistake. You should be embarrassed.
Use of the word just- minimizing the value of Trayvons life- check, you did that too.
I can see why there aren't many AA poster on here.
Tell me this, if your child were murdered for walking home would you use him to make your point about Manning? Would it be funny then? You wouldn't mind if we all laughed at the murder of your child or family member right?
Don't worry Karma wins in the end. You reap what you sow.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)thats the point.
Internet tough guy.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This is just crap. You know it and I know it.
What da fuk is the point then?
An admitted thief is sentenced to prison. Compare him to Trayvon! Lets use a dead kid to make our point!
I hope you never lose a child, I have and it's something you never get over!!
It's not a tool for jerk offs to use to make a point.
Anyone who uses the death of a child in such a disgusting manner deserves nothing but contempt.
An you've got it.
That's what you wanted right?
To be hated?
votesparks
(1,288 posts)No, we both don't know that. You should really stick with assigning your opinions to yourself.
Satire is not always supposed to be funny. Sometimes it hits upon deep truths by being not funny at all. That's often the best satire.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)Hhhhmmm, you started this flame war, it was your OP. You reap what you sow.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But I'm just a black woman. How do I know what will offend people? Carry on with your nonsense. It's disgusting. What was the deep truth? You can kill a black kid and get away with it but you can't steal government documents, tell everyone about It and get a free pass?
Stop using the death of this young man as a cudgel against the enemy of the moment. He's dead.
Bradley Manning is alive a reasonably well. He admitted guilt he apologized. He was sentenced. He had a lot to do with putting himself where he is right now. He is not a victim. Trayvon was.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)'funny' or 'amusing'. When done right, satire is supposed to hold a mirror up to society to show it its foibles and, at times, its brutality.
Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" actually mock proposes that Ireland's poor children be eaten as a way to solve Ireland's poverty and malnutrition problems. Now no one in his right mind ever thought or thinks that Bishop Swift was actually advocating cannibalism. Instead, Swift's persona uses the language of cold-blooded rationalism to make cannibalism seem not only proper but logical, given the dire straights then facing Ireland's poor. It's most definitely not funny and some here on DU would even call it 'outrageous'. And yet, Swift's work has earned it the distinction of the top 1-2 pieces of satire in the English language (probably tied with Orwell's Animal Farm and possibly Heller's Catch 22).
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Manning and Trayvon are not the same. Trayvon did nothing illegal and he wasn't just a black kid. He was more than that. It's disrespectful.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)Trayvon was minding his own business, and got murdered by a thug who was given no punishment.
Bradley Manning told the American public about thugs getting away with war crimes, and is now locked up for a long time.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Zimmerman didn't. He not as honest as Manning. But he will never live a carefree life. He will be treated like crap by random people forever. He is the new OJ. Lots of us hate him. He will be scrutinized forever.
I'm done.
As a person who has lost a child I think you are sick and cruel for posting this drivel. I took it personally when that grown man walked free after murdering a child.
What if Sabrina Fulton was a member here? What would you say to her? Nevermind. Nothing. You'd say nothing.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)but very little listening.
Has it occurred to you that the "point" you're desperately trying to make here with this comparison is exceedingly callous and obnoxious?
I seriously doubt that the posters taking you to task in this thread need to be "educated" in the art of "satire." The repeated attempts to explain this garbage only adds to the offensiveness.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)implied comparison is between Manning (sentenced to 35 years) and Zimmerman (confessed to killing another human being).
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He did. I swear.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)Most respect that here at DU. When you try to piggy back on something that has nothing to do with your personal discussion, well maybe you will get flamed.
sheshe2
(83,745 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I wouldn't use a specific child's death in a satirical piece since it is so hurtful to so many people, but the contrast does say something about the US justice system.
donheld
(21,311 posts)WTF are people and Admin thinking?
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)The reaction in this thread blew my mind. I had no idea the OP was trying to be funny.
It made me sad reading it, knowing that you are far safer from conviction taking a black kid's life than leaking documents as a whistleblower. The OP elicited a grimace from me, seeing how fucked up our justice system is when you weigh actions against logic rather than law. Are people reading the entire piece and not just the headline? (which I'll admit was probably written for shock value and could offend people)
votesparks
(1,288 posts)was not trying to be funny.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And instead you ended up being offensive.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)Satire does not always involve humor. You are wrong and making things up.
The massive miscarriages of justice that this piece so well illustrates, is why I posted it. Lots of others agree with me too.
Please try not to be dishonest next time.
Thank you.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)this ain't it...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)... or is suggested to be done to people.
And I agree, the OP failed, epically.
votesparks
(1,288 posts)say, this is. So we'll just agree to disagree.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)this is clumsy, blunt "heavy-handed" satire