How can the e-cig people claim they're not marketing to kids and yet
call their products names like "Vapor Candy" and market them like this:
http://vaporecigarettestore.com/menu/candy-flavors.html
What they're going to do is encourage a new generation of kids to become addicted to nicotine. Then, when the prices on e-cigs go up and they can't afford them anymore, they'll move on over to the cheaper alternative to satisfy their nicotine addiction -- regular cigarettes.
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I could have included circles and a graph. Oh well. 
that didn't include Cheech and Chong is invalid. 
I think I had some of those in my lunchbox once, and had to go home because I got sick when I ate them 
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Unhappy memories, hellno kitty.
would turn into 10 pounds the minute I put them in my mouth. 
Those things were pure sugar.
on the intertubes. This stuff:
I loved it.
That was awesome! Thanks for reminding me of it. It was tangy as hell.
And all around awesome.
I wish they had the lemon-lime flavored kind again . That was awesome.
But my main ones are Fruit Stripe, Mojito and Anise. The mojito is to die for. All no nic though, so I'm not causing anyone to inhale second-hand nicotine 
it isn't smoke, but I'm definitely smelling a waft of agenda coming from this person. Tobacco portfolio holder? Other reasons? We can only guess, but it isn't smoke or e-cigarette vapor I'm smelling ... 
In much the same way Peppermint Schnapps is marketed only to middle school students to manufacture more alcoholics, while as yet, adults drink only flavorless Schanpps.
Your dogmatic editorials will most certainly be given all the credibility it warrants... 
so there is no way I could possibly be opposed to smoking as an adult!
Is this really what you are going with, considering that you have to be an adult to even buy these products? Might as well buy a pack of cigarettes, because you have to also be of age to buy those.
hadnt thought of those in years.
seem you don't even know what you are talking about. The juices aren't oil, they are FDA approved food flavors used in the food industry all the time. And there are adults that use no nicotine but use it for the hand to mouth cessation.
And so what if people are addicted to nicotine, in many people the nicotine helps them with other problems.
check this out:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC526783/?report=classic
and this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8614291
Im sure if you saw someone using an nicotine inhaler approved by the FDA you wouldn't have a problem with it. That is the same nicotine used in it.
And those using gum and lozenges that come in fun flavors long term Im sure you wouldn't even know the person was.
Do you have your caffeine fix in the morning? Your Starbucks at lunch? A caffeinated soda during the day, and your after dinner coffee? Guess what nicotine (without burning tobacco) and caffeine are the same level of addiction.
I know you don't care to educate your self and help others get off cigarettes. Us e-cigarette users do it every day get adults way from the harm of cigarettes. People that just couldn't quit, people that didn't want to quit. We care about those people.
You just spend your day being negative to something you don't understand that could help many many people. And remember nobody in the world in the 10 years that e-cigarettes have been used has died from direct use. How many in 10 years world wide have died from smoking?
I take this very seriously. I could have been one of those that would have ended up dying from smoking. But e-cigarettes have saved my life.
If it wernt for the fun flavors Id probably be still smoking. The fun flavors helped me get away from smoking and now I cant stand the taste of tobacco. I would probably have to mix my own flavors if I had only tobacco as a choice.
Kids start smoking cigarettes they don't have flavors other than tobacco and menthol, why would you think they would want flavors?
There is a much bigger community of people and vendors than you could ever guess, hundreds and hundreds of e-juice manufactures and over 200 e-cigarette manufactures. They are not going away.
I didn't know that "Bourbon" appealed to kids.
Learn something new every day.
I don't understand the point.
Humans of various ages like various flavors.
What should they taste like?
I never cared too much for bubble gum even when I was a kid. I still like cinnamon and peppermint.
Is the idea here that anything with cinnamon flavor in it is "marketing to children"? Really?
Those packages in my post above are condoms. They also come in candy flavors. Are the condom manufacturers marketing flavored condoms to children, because they have different flavors.
This is a peppermint penis candy:
Is that being "marketed to children"?
Have you ever seen a cocktail menu at a bar?
Here, have a "children's" drink, and relax.
Or do we ban peppermint schnapps now?
I'm glad to be a part of it and witness the display of the very best of DU humor
Or these
Oh, wait...
If I had neighbors, they'd have heard it.
Strawberry margaritas, Pina Coladas , Birthday Cake, Scooby Snacks, Banana Daquiri etc. Ban them all, I say.
Because kids love Red Wine and Spiced Rum!!
They seem to have lots of fun flavors in alcohol and I don't see you jumping on that bandwagon.
Kids arnt going out and grabbing up the Nicorette because they come in fun flavors why would you think the would with e-cigarettes.
Gesh its the same nicotine.
There is no proof that kids are even interested in e-cigarettes to the contrary they think they look stupid and are for the old folks.
A little FYI for you, and just so you know, this is based on experience - mine, my significant others, and a number of other people that vape:
When one switches from smoking - in most cases, in order to successfully QUIT smoking, one must fill the void left BY smoking. Yeah, you can argue that some quit cold turkey. Sure. Argue it, and I'll be happy to mention the cold turkey success rate. Fuggedaboudit.
The great majority of us who quit, have a void that needs filling. I've not met one person face to face that said they didn't. In addition to that, every single person who has a void, has a void that is different and unique to that person, no matter how much they smoked, or what brand they smoked. No two people smoke exactly alike or are effected exactly alike, by what they smoked.
The different voids each person has, are as unique as that individual themself. This is a fact, that you can choose to disbelieve, try to argue against, or trivialize, but this is based on the experience of real people - many real people.
And it isn't "just pick something and go with it".
Between just myself and my SO, we've been through probably 300 flavors or more in the 7 months and change since we last smoked. 300 flavors.
Point being: It isn't quite like going to the store and buying your brand. People need LOTS of flavors. What tastes good to one, doesn't to another. I've gone through tobacco flavors, which is what I and about everyone wants initially. Then before long, your sense of taste and smell change - they come back to pre-smoking "adjustment", and for most tobacco doesn't taste good to most folks. Then you go through savory flavors, spicy flavors, sweet flavors, softdrink flavors, dessert flavors, candy flavors, dinner flavors. 1 in between 25 and 50 flavors actually fills the void of any given person - because people are all different.
Again, this isn't like going out and getting some Marlboros.
On top of it all, you have to have a quality device and quality hardware to go with it, or the great majority of flavors taste like crap anyway.
I get it. You have a view and an agenda.
What you don't have though, is grasp of the subject matter and the people the subject matter applies to and how it applies to them, that could be even be described as rudimentary, though you have done a commendable of advertising that fact.
Vaping sweet grape, blue raspberry, and a "bakery" sort of flavor. 42 years old.
Number 1, if the issue is kids using them, address that issue - from the angle of kids getting them - NOT from the angle of ANYONE getting them.
Leave everyone else the hell alone.
Second, what we have here, is an assertion with out any evidence what so ever, which matches an opinion which you've previously stated:
"sweet flavors of some e-cigarettes, such as chocolate and "cherry crush," lure youth."
There are two billion reasonable responses to this nonsense, but heres two.
This:
And this:
And I couldn't help but notice, that you left something out...
""This indicates that e-cigarettes could be a gateway to nicotine addiction and use of other tobacco products," says Matt Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. He blames this upswing on slick new marketing, which enlists celebrities including Jenny McCarthy, Stephen Dorff and Courtney Love for the pitches."
Yes indeedy, that's from your first link.
Where have we heard the "gateway drug" argument before?
As to your link to the airway resistance assertion...well theres this:
Electronic cigarettes: no adverse effects on blood and oxygen supply to the heart
Electronic cigarette use does not cause any immediate adverse effects on coronary circulation and oxygen supply to the heart, according to a new study presented today in the European Society of Cardiology annual congress in Amsterdam.
Researchers at Onassis Cardiac Surgery Center, lead by principle investigator Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos, evaluated the effects of electronic cigarette use on the maximal ability of the coronary arteries to supply with blood and oxygen the heart itself. They recruited 60 participants, 30 smokers and 30 electronic cigarette users. Measurement of maximal coronary blood flow was performed in smokers before and after smoking 2 cigarettes and, on a separate day, after using an electronic cigarette with 18mg/ml nicotine concentration for 15 minutes. In electronic cigarette users, coronary circulation was evaluated before and after using the same electronic cigarette device for 15 minutes.
“This is the first study that has examined the effects of electronic cigarette use on coronary circulation”, said leading researcher Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos. “We know that smoking has immediate adverse effects, lowering the ability of the coronary arteries to deliver blood to the heart, and our purpose was to test whether electronic cigarette use has similar effects”, he added.
After smoking 2 cigarettes, the researchers observed a 16% reduction in maximal coronary blood flow and a 19% elevation in resistance to flow. However, after electronic cigarette use, no difference in coronary blood flow and resistance was observed compared to the baseline measurement. “The results are impressive and indicate that, unlike tobacco, electronic cigarette use does not affect the oxygenation of the heart”, said Dr Farsalinos. “However, we must be cautious and make clear that this does not mean that there are no implications from long-term use. It is currently impossible to evaluate the effects of long-term use but currently available evidence strongly suggests that electronic cigarettes are by far less harmful alternatives compared to tobacco cigarettes.”
Public health authorities all over the world are evaluating the regulatory status of electronic cigarettes. Lately, the European Commission has proposed a medicinal regulation. Dr Farsalinos said: “Acknowledging the significant potential of electronic cigarettes as smoking alternatives and based on the scientific evidence which clearly indicated that they are much safer, it is important that health authorities will regulate these products in a way that will promote rather than restrict their availability and use by smokers who are unable to quit with currently approved medical methods.”
Watch a video presentation here:
http://ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/research/127-no-adverse-effects
As you've been told before, nicotine without the maoi inhibitors from an ecig at non-combustion temperatures is a different animal than the "big tobacco manufactured" tobacco with maoi inhibitors and god knows what else in it.
A very different animal.
With the maoi inhibitors, its more like "I'm gonna tear someones head off soon if I don't get my fix".
Without the maoi inhibitors, its more like caffeine addiction.
So yes, it IS an apples and oranges comparison. I know. I lived through them both. But the talking heads know better, right?
The sky isn't falling.
If you feel kids using them is a problem, fine. Propose a solution that doesn't step on the toes of those of us who've had our lives changed drastically for the better, maybe even saved, by switching to these things. But don't expect many people whos minds aren't already made up to buy the "gateway drug" meme, hereabouts.
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