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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:26 AM Aug 2013

I gave a woman money today so she could cremate her granddaughter. (Multiple trigger warnings)

(Note: does this belong in GD? I don't know. It's not overtly political and references DU itself in tones that may be considered whining. Hosts, do as you will.)

I.

(Trigger warning: human remains)

Anyways, I gave a woman money today so she could cremate either her child or grandchild (my Hindi is not great and her accent wasn't either). (Also, I live in Mumbai because my wife works for the US Consulate here, for anyone needing backstory.)

At least I assume that's what I did. There was a dead child (maybe 12 months old) next to her, and she said in mostly-intelligible Hindi (she was audibly a Marathi speaker natively) that she wished to cremate her daughter or granddaughter (I get the two terms mixed up still. And yet I know "cremate". And "fat-free". First World Problems). It's quite possible she was lying, but this is an issue I'd rather be duped than cynical about. We all have those lines we draw.

I hadn't seen a dead child in a while. The last sequence of that was 2003-2004, when I was back in the Marines. I was a mortuary affairs clerk at the start of the Iraq war. The job was just what it sounds like. I saw a few dead children in Iraq, mostly from typhoid fever and pertussis. But our training had been in the Baltimore city morgue. Real "The Wire" shit. Between our love affair with guns and violence and our lack of national health care, this was actually worse in some ways. Kids shot, stabbed, drowned. We had two guys cycle out with PTSD just from the morgue training (Baltimore PD apparently loses about 1/10th of their police class every time from that).

The cliche in the US about a body is "she looks like she's sleeping". Except, no. Sleeping children don't lie stone-still, breathless, face straight up on the pavement, with arms clutched across their torsos. Maybe the child was alive and very well trained. Maybe the woman had stolen somebody else's corpse. I don't care. We draw our lines, and in the developing world, at some point yours get crossed; this was mine.

It hit me harder than I thought it would. But apparently that's quite common. We're sheltered from death in the US, in a lot of ways. It doesn't happen at home. We rarely see bodies except at wakes and visitations. From the nature of my work I've seen more than most people I know, but that doesn't particularly make it easier, even if you develop an internal language for the difficulty.

This was pertussis, or a similar-looking respiratory disease; the girl coughed herself to death. The bacteria inflamed the lungs, which led her to cough so violently she broke her ribs and vomited, causing either asphyxia (in the short version) or pneumonia (in the long one). There are vaccines for pertussis. They cost about $8 for a dose. That's twice as much as it cost to cremate the girl, and it's about what her grandmother earns in three months selling scrap metal she finds.

The conservative answer is to shrug and say "life is cheap there". But it's not. Life is very, very precious here. This is a city of 21 million people in 200 square miles. This is a city where malaria and dengue are endemic but grown people who understand how these diseases are spread still leave out water dishes for the crows and feral dogs. Life is very precious here. This is a city where this woman, who has worked daily her whole life, put down her pride long enough to beg strangers to help with the burial of her kin.

I notice details. It's something I do. I once surprised my wife by noticing a crying woman in the elevator with us had her wedding band on her middle finger. That kind of thing. This woman had pitted and ridged fingernails that spoke of heavy metal poisoning, and a tote bag full of copper wire. She is a scavenger who finds metal and sells it to scrappers. She's not a beggar; she works. She works harder than I've ever worked in my life, and I've worked hard at times. And she couldn't afford to bury her granddaughter.

This is the poverty that makes our affluence possible. My view about the 1% changed once I realized I'm one of them. The global threshhold for 1% is something like $25K per year. In the US, somebody at the 2nd percentile makes about $7K. That puts them in the 97th percentile in Mumbai. And Mumbai is rich by Indian standards. That's my second complaint about Occupy (my 1st is that it's a creation of a Madison Avenue ad agency): we are the 1%, all of us in the US, whether we know it or not, and the solution has to be from the 1% rather than in opposition to us. Anyways. There are all kinds of arguments about America being great because it is good. I don't know if America is either, but I know America is rich. Rich in a way that doesn't even make sense to an average Mumbaikar. We're lucky, but we're part of this. And if I'm going to own the US and the industrialized West it's important to own how we got here, which is this poverty we create.

The child died near Mahalaxmi, home of the goddess of fortune, and the flowers were provided by the nearby shrine to Lord Ganesh. May both of their mercies be on us passers by.

II.

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I've spent most of my adult life working for the US Government one way or another. As a Marine, as a Navy contractor doing circuitry work on boats, as an attached dependent to a Foreign Service Officer. Possibly soon as a technology specialist direct hired by State (US Government IT: Yesterday's Technology Today!). I've had to put in place policies I didn't like (eg, invading a country). This has been the price I've paid for believing, as I did and do, that the way to change things is from inside. Many of you disagree. I get that.

The thing is, until a few years ago, I would have had no doubts at all about posting this story here. Now, I do. Now I wonder if this will descend into "why do we have people in India???" or "are we spying on them too?" or "I thought you loved killing children since you were part of Iraq" (yes, I've gotten that on DU recently).

DU was once a safer space than it is, and I miss that.

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III.

(Trigger warning: sexual violence)

India is really awful in a lot of ways. Just yesterday, a reporter for a magazine was gang raped and nearly killed doing a photography piece on the abandoned mills here. South Mumbai used to be a textile economy, but as wages in India increased the mills found it cheaper to move to Indonesia (sound familiar?) So there are a ring of abandoned mills that nobody knows what to do with, and this woman was sent to record them on film.

An American woman recently was a visiting scholar to another city in this same state, Pune. She was a victim of sexual violence to such an extent that she has had to take a year off from her research due to PTSD. Her story is all over the blogosphere right now if you want to look it up; it's certainly made waves here.

My wife's brief at the consulate includes sexual and domestic violence. It's a huge problem here. It's only recently become publicly talked about, and there's still a lot of silence surrounding it. Are we doing good here, with presentations and grants and visa expediting? Can we do good here, or will we just inevitably make things worse? I don't know. But, I'd rather be wrong than cynical again, in this case.

There's a local campaign called "ring the bell". If you hear your neighbor engaging in domestic violence, ring the bell and ask to borrow some sugar, or ghee, or just to say hello. Just do something, at the moment, to stop the violence right then. This is that world. Where people have to come up with ways to have a neighbor intervene in domestic violence without exposing himself or herself to danger. Can I as an American do anything at all here? Should I try? Or will it just make things worse.

What kind of life did this girl face? Married at 12 to a 2nd cousin? Beaten if she spoke out of turn? Or would she have gotten lucky? I don't know. But the fact that that question comes to me so quickly is troubling.

Hers wasn't the first dead body I saw in Mumbai, but she was the first child. An average of 10 people per day are killed on the railroad tracks here. In the shantytown east of my apartment building, the population density is 1 million per square mile. People live and die here never leaving the ward they were born in.

IV.

In my mind, in the imagination I dare to have, the woman goes home tonight with the money she received and walks to the mobile phone store in her neighborhood. She pays the 2 rupees to text the temple that she is ready for her granddaughter's puja and can they come now.

The priests arrive in orange robes and bear the child's body out with reverence. She is carried through the streets of Mahalaxmi to the temple of Ganesh, and her physical remains (poor, fragmentary records of the graceful and joyful child she was) are committed to ashes. The family cry because they will not see her in this life again, but will look for her eyes in every clean fowl and animal they see. Her ashes will be scattered on the rocks near Hajji Ali Mosque, and the Muslim neighbors too will add her to their prayers when they see the procession.

The smoke from the cremation and the dust from the dispersal will rise in the west, above Mahalaxmi and Breach Candy. A young child in Worli may look out over the Indian ocean, and see the sunset burn red and orange and russet and ask her mother what that is. "Heaven", she will say. And the Worli girl will feel for a moment the hope for a life that she never had. And maybe she'll achieve it. I have seen enough death in my life to grant myself this dream.

V.

My driver (yes, we have a driver; I can't do left-handed stick-shift in Mumbai yet) is an old Hajji from Gujarat. He was troubled by the dead child too and also offered the woman money. I tried to replace his donation with my money but he muttered something about the importance of zakaat (charity) in Islam and that since he can eat he needs to also donate. I told him to take the rest of the day off and I would walk home. I walked through Mahalaxmi up to Jacob Circle, keeping the sun behind me and to my right over the Arabian Sea.

I do normally notice details but I had kind of phased out at this point, and I just remember the smells. Shit and piss (a lot of that). The earthier smell from one of the official cows (some shrines have a permit to keep them). The monsoon is mostly over, but the sea wind did eventually pick up and blow in behind me, washing most of those away.

Why do smells bring back memories so clearly? Maybe it's the lack of words: a smell cannot be described, and can only be confronted on its own. I passed a vegetable vendor and was struck like I had been punched in the solar plexus. This was a smell I know. Here it is called coriander, but to me it can only be cilantro. For a moment, I was back in Escondido, a trouble-free 19-year-old Private First Class in the Marines, asking the taquieria to put more cilantro on my fish tacos. Then I was back, and saw the teenage boy blending the coriander in a huge dish hooked up to an illegal power drop. I bought some; we need more spices at home.

Thanks for forgiving my self-indulgence; that just hit me harder than I had expected.

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I gave a woman money today so she could cremate her granddaughter. (Multiple trigger warnings) (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2013 OP
Not at all self indulgent. redwitch Aug 2013 #1
Kick. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #2
K&R nt stevenleser Aug 2013 #3
Thank you for telling this story. JustinBulletin Aug 2013 #4
Really evocative descriptions! n/ t JimDandy Aug 2013 #5
I tell you that LWolf Aug 2013 #6
Thank you, LWolf Recursion Aug 2013 #7
thank you for this. magical thyme Aug 2013 #8
Beautiful writing and beautiful thoughts. Thanks. sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #9
Powerful piece. trotsky Aug 2013 #10
Thank you for sharing this. IdaBriggs Aug 2013 #11
May she rest in peace. BlueToTheBone Aug 2013 #12
Thanks for your moving post. MineralMan Aug 2013 #13
You write beautifully! octoberlib Aug 2013 #14
k and r--thank you so much for sharing your heart. niyad Aug 2013 #15
I do feel your pain heaven05 Aug 2013 #16
kick for truth Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #17
Very touching eilen Aug 2013 #18
Recursion, THIS is the book you need to write. Squinch Aug 2013 #19

JustinBulletin

(73 posts)
4. Thank you for telling this story.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:49 AM
Aug 2013

We are too insulated from the real world out there and what goes on every single minute of every single day. The only way
we are woken from the imaginary existence we are sold here in the US is when someone shares their first hand knowledge and experience.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
6. I tell you that
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:04 AM
Aug 2013

while I have some political disagreements with you, I will not attack you through your military service, nor be asinine enough to suggest that you like killing children since you were part of Iraq.

Your reflections triggered some of my own memories. I lost my sense of smell in an accident a dozen years ago this week. If you are going to lose a sense, that's probably the easiest. You evoked smells for me, and I appreciate that. Usually I just ignore it when people talk about scent, or get irritated if they know I can't smell it and they are telling me all about it. I don't smell things, but I can smell the cows, the seawind, and the cilantro in memory.

I remembered on of my Indian students from a decade ago; one of the most beautiful, most evolved human beings I've ever met. She was not only intellectually brilliant, but had the most empathy, respect, compassion, kindness, and common sense, as well as a spine of steel when it came to her principles, as any person I've ever met. I was privileged to teach her for 4 years, in a system that was flexible about age/grade levels, and what ages and grades we taught. During those four years, all in elementary school, she taught mini-lessons to her classmates: Gujarati. Nobody became a fluent speaker, but it was fun to hear them playing with words on the playground. Her memory is precious to me, and I thank you for bringing it back.

I know Escondido. I lived in So Cal for 38 of my 53 years. While I love the PNW, and am happy here, I don't get tacos like I did in So Cal. My personal favorites came from a little hole-in-the wall stand at the counter to order in Spanish place called "El Napalitos." Not in Escondido. It closed the year before I moved; the owner retired home to Mexico.

I agree that I'd rather be duped than cynical when it comes to getting people what they need. I supply my middle-school classroom with a library of almost 1,000 books to supplement the poor school library...out of my own pocket. There is a self-check out and in system, and they use it. Of course, I lose a ton of books. Every year. I don't enforce anything too strictly. I figure if a kid loved the book enough to keep it, he should have it. That's a long way from helping someone bury a child, but the principle remains.

As far as the politics go...your point about the 1% is well-taken. the 99-1 within the U.S. does not reflect the rest of the globe. I get frustrated all the time with American ideas about what constitutes "the left," because there really is no left in the U.S., from a global perspective.

I also work for the government, in a different capacity. I'm a teacher. I understand about having to implement policies I don't like. There's nothing I like about today's education policies. They are destructive to the public education system, harmful to students, and harmful to teachers. I could quit; I know many good teachers who have. (Not really, though, because I'm not qualified for anything else, and I've got no backup to pay the bills.) I could listen, embrace the deforms, and obediently repeat them and apply them. Or, I could do what I do, which is to comply in order to keep my job, become active in opposition, and try to make the best of it in my classroom, ensuring that we have as positive and supportive environment for learning as possible in the circumstances. That's what I do. I work within the system, because if we all walk away, the deformers win. There's no one left to hold the line.

I think you are talking about working from within the Democratic Party; I could be wrong. I agree with that, to an extent. But...working from within means holding the party accountable, means actively opposing bad policies, bad directions, that weaken the party's value to voters and the nation. As well as, of course, supporting what's good. To me, it doesn't mean propaganda, and it doesn't mean supporting a particular politician no matter what because of the "D" next to his or her name.

Working within the system as a whole? I'm not sure if that's even possible any more. From my perspective, the system is too corrupted by money and power mongers to work for the good of...yes, 99% of us. That's why I think the Occupy movement might be the best thing I've seen in terms of mobilizing people to actively oppose that corruption and represent the needs of the 99% in America that I've seen since I was a kid in the 60s and 70s. People gathering in public to express themselves...that's part of the system, too. And it's needed, since politicians, in my experience, are not all that responsive to individuals writing letters and calling them. My kindling box is always full of the canned responses telling me how much they appreciate my concern, and why they aren't going to do what I want them to.

So I'm less invested in the system, perhaps, than you are. I'm willing to work from within if it gets results; if not, then I'll work from without. The bottom line for me is just that: getting results. And by results, I don't mean "winning" any particular election. A win at election time is only a win for me if the "D" elected to office will work from within the system to achieve positive change, and stand on a line to protect the gains made in the past. It's about the issues. That's where people win. The price I pay for being less invested in the 2 party system, and the Democratic Party itself, is to be marginalized as "fringe," "the loony left," etc..

DU was once a safer place for "the left." No longer, and I miss that.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. Thank you, LWolf
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:28 AM
Aug 2013
I will not attack you through your military service, nor be asinine enough to suggest that you like killing children since you were part of Iraq.

I know. And thank you. I can think of thousands of DUers who are like that. And I appreciate that about this place.

Your reflections triggered some of my own memories. I lost my sense of smell in an accident a dozen years ago this week. If you are going to lose a sense, that's probably the easiest. You evoked smells for me, and I appreciate that. Usually I just ignore it when people talk about scent, or get irritated if they know I can't smell it and they are telling me all about it. I don't smell things, but I can smell the cows, the seawind, and the cilantro in memory.

If I could bring smell back even for a second, that's very high praise for a writer. I'm glad it touched you.

I remembered on of my Indian students from a decade ago; one of the most beautiful, most evolved human beings I've ever met. She was not only intellectually brilliant, but had the most empathy, respect, compassion, kindness, and common sense, as well as a spine of steel when it came to her principles, as any person I've ever met. I was privileged to teach her for 4 years, in a system that was flexible about age/grade levels, and what ages and grades we taught. During those four years, all in elementary school, she taught mini-lessons to her classmates: Gujarati. Nobody became a fluent speaker, but it was fun to hear them playing with words on the playground. Her memory is precious to me, and I thank you for bringing it back.

It's a fascinating language; I hope to pick some up. But Hindi, Bengali, and Marathi have to come first. I'm glad I could bring her memory back to you.

Working within the system as a whole? I'm not sure if that's even possible any more.

Yeah, I hear you. There's a line in Dr. Zhivago about the motivations of people going to war, how mostly bad they are. "But some had better motives; they saw the times were critical and wished to play a man's part in them." Absent the sexist language, I think that's where I am mentally, now. I'll do what I can.

DU was once a safer place for "the left." No longer, and I miss that.

People regardless of "side" or position on the spectrum feel that way. That should tell us something. Sigh.

Thanks so much for your response.

MineralMan

(146,256 posts)
13. Thanks for your moving post.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:02 AM
Aug 2013

It's important that we recognize that we live in the first world. We should reflect on that often, I believe.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
14. You write beautifully!
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:09 AM
Aug 2013

Last year I read Behind the Beautiful Forevers, Katharine Boo's book about the residents of the Annawadi slum (she lived among them for 3 years). It was gut wrenching.


Thanks for posting. I see a book in your future.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. I do feel your pain
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:59 PM
Aug 2013

after seeing this type of poverty, in my visit to Viet Nam, I am reminded of the real world poverty, misery and grief that is different from our poverty and deprivation here in amerika. The corruption, greed and general lack of empathy by the mega rich 1%ers is evil. Our ability to live peacefully and comfortably on 25k in this country is problematic, to say the least with the cost of medicine and all the essentials of just daily survival. That's not to say that you are wrong in your analysis. Compared to what you have seen and experienced in India 25k a year is a dream unimagined by a majority of the poor there. Being retired, my yearly in come is 28K. In this country, amerika, not easy to live on. Just clarifying a point.

Their poverty is and has always been because of corporate greed, official government corruption, religion and general lack of caring or empathy about the poor and their station in life as created by the 1%ers in the culture there and in the affluent west of Europe and especially amerika. My income does not, to my understanding have anything to do with that poverty there unless I have stock in company's that have slave labor camps devoted to the clothing apparel business that most of the 97%ers are forced to buy and most everything else made there and in china. When it comes to income here being a direct result of slave labor, ask Romney and his ilk to explain greed and corruption and the american corporate way of doing business in this day and age to that woman with the dead child. Occupy is an attempt at good that I fear has been co-opted by the PTB before it can gain too much power. I have my suspicions of that movement also. The thing that will change the political direction of amerika is a political party truly representative of the 97%ers in this country. With the corporate and banking influences that control this country, I don't think it's possible to create that. Money is too powerful a god here. The needless death and suffering generated by the powerful in this world, as exemplified, eloquently, by the mother-grandmother wanting to cremate her dead child speaks volumes to the inequities created by corporate lust for profit and official greed and corruption in all governments that enables this misery to continue for generations in India and around the world.

Miserable death as experienced by the children or adults in poverty like that or war is not pretty. It's as ugly and mind distorting as anything I've ever witnessed. The smells of death, extreme poverty and deprivation is something I can never forget. I salute your post. Made me think and remember.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
18. Very touching
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:37 PM
Aug 2013

I'm a nurse. I worked in oncology for about 10 years and now work in cardiac. I've seen a lot of dying and dead people. I am not weirded out by it. To me they look empty. Because of this, I think I have a different view of life and death. I have never seen a dead child though. I think that might freak me out.

A friend of my husband's died two days ago. We got to the hospital but were too late to say good bye although he wouldn't have known it anyway. I was alarmed to see my husband's reaction. I guess he hasn't seen many dead people. He said I was desensitized. I don't know that I am desensitized. Like I said, I've seen many and it has altered my views of life and death in the manner that death is a part of life. I feel it is important to treat it with dignity and love.

So no, I am not Spock (he called me Spock). I am accustomed. People get very sick and eventually they die. We will all die. Wednesday a 39 year old lady died and her family was extremely vocal for hours in their distress. She was young but had very poor health and had almost died last year. While the child you saw died from lack, this lady died from excess. Both deaths could have been preventable. We worked on her for 20 minutes but it is very rare we can resuscitate an individual weighing over 350 lbs with CPR. I do not know how they will find the funds to provide a Western burial as she was young, disabled and poor. Perhaps her church will have a collection and the community will donate. Many times people do not collect the body from the morgue and they hold a memorial service instead.

I don't know the answers. There is a very good course about poverty on MIT open courseware-- I get it on my Roku if you are interested in knowing more about it outside of your direct experience.

Squinch

(50,916 posts)
19. Recursion, THIS is the book you need to write.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:44 PM
Aug 2013

I know you've mentioned another one, and I wish you well with it, but you need to write these observations into a book.

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