Howard Dean vs. Hillary Clinton: Who would get your vote?

[apples and oranges]

I think they're virtually identical when it comes to the issues, although Clinton presents herself as a liberal hawk.

I voted for Dean in the 2004 primaries, and I voted for Obama in the 2008 primaries; however, I'd probably vote for Clinton in the 2016 primaries. Although I'd prefer to vote for Dean again, I wouldn't want to stand in the way of this country getting it's first female president. And it would be heartbreaking to see Clinton blindsided again. I think Clinton deserves the chance because she's worked so hard. Dean has worked really hard as well, but he's never experienced what it's like to have the entire republican party plotting against him and his family.

[Nay]

1. Dean, no contest. nt

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Ditto.

But my real (if highly unlikely) favorite is below:

[apples and oranges]

13. Warren is not a politician at heart. It's not going to happen

unfortunately

[Jackpine Radical]

16. The best politicians are not politicians at heart.

She has certainly stepped up to her role as a Senator, and is bringing more piss to bear on the banksters than any Frosh Senator in history.

[winter is coming]

4. +1. n/t

[Broken_Hero]

68. Ditto, nt

[Bertha Venation]

3. Dean. n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

17. Or, to put it another way,

[font size=8 color=purple]Yeeaaargh![/font]

[Vinnie From Indy]

5. Dean probably

cheers

[Thinkingabout]

6. Hillary, she has lots of experience, is well known in the world, has lots of compassion and could be

A great leader for this nation.

[DonCoquixote]

54. Lots of experience

Lot of experience doing exactly what must NOT be done, whether it is supporting outsourcing, supporting Wal-Mart, supporting Bibi Netanyahu, supporting cutting social programs.

If that is experience, you can have it.

[snot]

7. Dean.

The Presidency is not about rewarding someone for their personal efforts or tribulations or even about making a statement; it's about, who will best carry out the will of the people and further their interests.

[MelungeonWoman]

8. Dean.

I got over choosing candidates based on their sex back in the '70's.

[Cal33]

9. Dean.

[XemaSab]

10. Dean

It's the Clintonian third-way BS that got us where we are today.

[mnhtnbb]

11. Dean.

[apples and oranges]

12. Wow guys. So nobody thinks it's important to finally have a woman president?

I think that would do a lot to advance pay equality and reduce sexism in this country. I think it's worth setting aside past grievances to achieve that milestone, but maybe I'm wrong?

[Le Taz Hot]

20. Are you seriously

advocating voting for ANY woman for president because under that criteria we should vote for Michelle Bachmann. The Party elected the first African-American president and I'm sure millions cast their vote because they knew he was African-American and they wanted to be part of history. Well they did and they were and he is president who has since proven to be a disaster for, well, pretty much everyone except the 1%. Surely we should be demanding better qualifications than "she doesn't have a hangy-downy thing between her legs."

Now, let's talk Elizabeth Warren . . . She even THINKS about putting her hat in the ring in 2016 I'll actually become a Democrat again.

[tk2kewl]

21. sure... let's have Elizabeth Warren

otherwise let's try to pry the levers of power away from the neoliberal DLCers

[snooper2]

23. Yeah, because having the first black president really knocked racism on it's ass

[one_voice]

51. +1

[Whisp]

70. thank you.

those are the wisest words I have read here in a long time.

[winter is coming]

28. I'm missing how having a female President's going to help with pay inequality

or sexism. Obama sure hasn't managed something analogous for minorities, but then I didn't expect he would.

[LWolf]

30. The right woman, yes.

I'm not voting for anyone based on race or gender, though. I'm voting for the best option on my ballot, and a neo-liberal woman is not the best option if there is a non-neo on the ballot.

[whathehell]

36. I'm a woman and would love to see a female prez, BUT, it has to be the right woman.

Elizabeth Warren would be great, but I doubt she's running in '16.

Issues trump ALL, in my opinion...We're not in the position we were, even 20 years ago.

We don't have time to make ANYTHING more, or even equally, as important.

[Egalitarian Thug]

37. Not that woman. Michell Bachman is a woman as well, should we vote for her? n/t

[JVS]

45. Yes, you're wrong.

[Little Star]

47. Seeing that she is the most viable candidate for a woman president, I'm ready for Hillary!!!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

53. Then you should have voted for McCain -

so Palin could be your candidate in 2016.

[Le Taz Hot]

14. I was one of the first to come out for Dean

as early as 2003 as I had attended the CA Democratic Convention that year (I was still a Democrat back then). I basically introduced him to this board as NOBODY had heard of him outside of Vermont. However, in the ensuing years, he's become more of a DNC Party Boy and too eager to back virtually anything they do. He's come down on the wrong side of too many issues, including endorsing Race to the Top, that he's just another party shill to me now. Hillary will NEVER get my vote. EVER. The IWR was a deal-breaker -- the never-met-a-corporation-I-didn't-like part is afterthought at this point.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

15. Dean.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

18. Dean.

[HardTimes99]

19. Dean in a heartbeat. Hillary was wrong on Iraq, is wrong on the NSA and shows

no sign of remorse for her errors. Dean was right on Iraq, was punished for it and has earned my admiration for the much-needed 50-state strategy he implemented that gave us the House in 2006.

[LondonReign2]

32. ^This

All this

[dkf]

22. Dean by a mile.

[MNBrewer]

24. Dean

[LondonReign2]

25. Dean, easily

[Pab Sungenis]

26. Howard.

I still have all my "Dean for President" paraphernalia ready to go.

[NoPasaran]

27. I honestly don't know at this point

I was a hardcore Deaniac in 2004 and a Hillary bitter ender in 2008. In both cases I thought they were the best candidates we had, and I still think so.

[whathehell]

29. Dean, absolutely, and I don't understand why you think

and I don't understand why you think they are "virtually identical when it comes to the issues".

Unless he's changed a LOT, Dean has always been far to the left of Hilary.

[dionysus]

31. in a primary, dean in a heartbeat.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

33. If Dean could win, then him. But I'm not so sure he's electable.

[Egalitarian Thug]

34. Dean, no doubt about it. I'm not sure he's not just another Barack Obama, but I know she is. n/t

[LWolf]

35. Whichever one can demonstrate

that they are furthest to the left of the centrist; whichever can demonstrate that they are NOT a neo-liberal.

The 2004 Dean beats HRC in a landslide. Now? I don't know if either of those two meet the criteria for earning my vote.

[winter is coming]

39. ^^ Thread win. n/t

[fredamae]

38. Dean

For me, while I would LOVE to see a Woman POTUS? It is Not the first priority but rather a great coincidence if our selected candidate happens to be a woman. It still has to be the "right for the country/us" woman---same vetting, voting records research, policy statements VS actions etc...same with any and All other candidates.

We do need change but not another Clinton, imo.

[City Lights]

40. Dean. nt

[Cal33]

41. I don't think one should vote for someone on the basis of the person's having

worked so hard the last time, and having "the entire republican party plotting against him and his family."

We should vote for a candidate for what s/he stands for politically. Hillary is
a middle of the roader. This means more of the same as Obama. This is
something we can no longer afford. We are already half-way down the
sewer drainage into self-destruct as a democratic nation.

We need a REAL CHANGE. Hillary may call herself a liberal or anything she
wants -- she just isn't. We are in dire need of someone who will really try to turn this nation of ours around 180 degrees.

I believe we are closer to disaster than most people would like to admit. And
we just have no more time to dilly-dally around.

[hedda_foil]

42. Dean

If only...

[PowerToThePeople]

43. Dean

would have been better as a poll.

[JVS]

44. Dean.

[Little Star]

46. Hillary. Hands down!

[Fire Walk With Me]

48. Warren/Sanders.

[daleanime]

57. I could live with that.....

[Cali_Democrat]

72. Please come back down to reality

Thanks.

[LondonReign2]

75. "Reality": Where Right-Centrists Tell Us We Need to Move Further to the Right

[Cali_Democrat]

77. No

Where Sanders will not be on the Democratic ticket.

It's just utterly absurd.

[840high]

49. Dean

[Hell Hath No Fury]

50. Dean -

I make it a point to vote for a person based solely on their positions/skills. I want a female President in my lifetime, but, first and foremost, I want them to be the right candidate. Hillary does not get my vote. Elizabeth Warren would.

[demwing]

52. "he's never experienced what it's like to have the entire republican party plotting against him"

YEARGH!

[AtomicKitten]

55. Dean. /nt

[jwirr]

56. I think I would vote for Dean. I think he could get things passed easier than she could.

Unfortunately that may very well be due to the war on women.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

58. Dean, maybe. Hillary, never.

[protect our future]

59. Dean

[Douglas Carpenter]

60. issue by issue they are both pretty much the same - I wouldn't care -

Granted ten years ago Gov.Dean had the sense to oppose the invasion of Iraq while Hillary did not. But when it comes down to what they would actually support today - I don't see Gov. Dean as the progressive alternative - Their specific position are no more different than the cosmetic policies differences between Obama and Clinton were in 2008 - a bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing. I would however support a challenge to Hillary from a progressive candidate.

[MrTriumph]

61. Dean

x

[tableturner]

62. Clinton; I want to win the election, and Dean would get hammered!

[mike_c]

63. probably neither, maybe Dean, but never Clinton....

I'll sit out an election before I'll cast a vote for Hillary Clinton, but of course there will probably be someone running who is progressive enough to vote for. Clinton burned that bridge with her support for invading Iraq.

[PADemD]

64. Dean

or Warren, if she runs

[Warpy]

65. Dr Dean. He's no howling socialist, but he's better

than the Third Way/Wall Street Clintons.

We already saw the damage one Clinton did. I don't want another one.

[brooklynite]

66. Well, since Hillary would get Dean's vote...

Howard Dean on 2016: 'At this point, I'm supporting Hillary Clinton'

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/21/howard-dean-on-2016-at-this-point-im-supporting-hillary-clinton/]

[ananda]

67. Howard Dean.

Absolutely.

[LittleBlue]

69. Dean, almost anyone but Hillary

Enough with the dynasties. Let the Bush and Clinton families fade into political irrelevance where they belong.

[Cali_Democrat]

71. Dean. n/t

[AsahinaKimi]

73. I worked on Dean's campaign...

I consider myself a Dean democrat... but sadly I don't think he will be running. I will vote for who ever seems the best for the job.

[bluestate10]

74. Clinton. nt

[bunnies]

76. Dean. nt

[Erose999]

78. Dean! Can I get a YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAH!

Anybody whose not a DLC neoliberal has my vote.

[Robbins]

79. If he runs Dean

I am not sure he will though.

Personally If you critize obama as being too centist I don't see why you would support hillary.

[postulater]

80. Dean.