So, can any of you tell me what High crimes and Misdemeanors the President committed?

[DainBramaged]

anyone?

[TheMastersNemesis]

1. Being Black While President - That's The Only Reason.

At least for GOPPERS. The only reason to be a Republican is to be a racist and bigot. You cannot separate the two.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. +1

[hobbit709]

19. You got it. PWB-Presidenting While Black.

[bluestate10]

38. Hear, Hear. In bizzaro land, that will get him removed from office and his record of

accomplishment wiped out. While the far Left haven't called for Impeachment, it does launch incessant and crazed attacks on almost any action the President takes, with the attacks being warranted or not.

[rl6214]

65. I don't believe that.

I would believe they would say being Democrat while being president.

[Nye Bevan]

66. Yep. Remember when Bill Clinton was president and it was all bipartisan sweetness and light?

Whoops, my bad. They impeached him. Perhaps it's more to do with the D than his skin color.

[Hekate]

103. The "D" is the cake. The skin color is the icing on the cake. nt

[atreides1]

2. Do you mean realistically?

The only one I can see, based on those who keep talking about it, is that the color of his skin, makes a lot of white folks feel real uncomfortable...conservative white folks, that is!

And the politicians that keep bringing it up, seem to all be white and come from areas with a majority of white conservatives...so that's what it must be.

President Obama has committed the High Crime of being black and siting in a White(conservative) Man's only chair!

[malthaussen]

4. You do realize that "high crimes and misdemeanors" is an omnibus term?

Or, if you prefer, a bullshit term? A casual run through the history of impeachments in British and American precedent will demonstrate that an official may be impeached for just about anything... or nothing.

-- Mal

[DainBramaged]

14. Does it matter that it doesn't matter to me?

[TreasonousBastard]

15. That was the idea when they put it in there...

Madison and those guys knew that tossing a President was serious business and didn't want to be specific-- letting a good guy be impeached for a technicality or a bad one slip through a loophole.

[nyquil_man]

72. That's why the standard for conviction is set so high. nt

[Thinkingabout]

5. Being elected president? Being born?

[winter is coming]

6. Snitched the last piece of pie?

[sinkingfeeling]

7. No, guess I'd have to ask the Overpasses for Impeachment couple.

[NYC_SKP]

8. He failed to dictate to congress what to do.

right fucking now. also retrospectively, he started those wars.

And bully pulpit gargbelwegrearoswwrlsnit.

[emulatorloo]

10. His botched response to Hurricane Katrina

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017140198

[bluestate10]

39. Yeah, that's it, that's IT. At least among republican losers

.

[DainBramaged]

12. He failed to stop the internet being made of cats....

[NYC_SKP]

22. The 2010 eruption of Eyjafjallajökull was all OBAMA!

[Benton D Struckcheon]

25. Being a dog person,

I could get behind that. (Actually, I like cats. Just allergic though.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

119. Bah, dogs and cats...the in pet is a parrot!!!

[uponit7771]

87. +1

[Hekate]

105. LOL +1

made me laugh

[DetlefK]

9. Remember Umbrellagate?

He forced a Marine from his bodyguard to hold the umbrella for him while it rained, which is somehow against their rules. (No umbrellas allowed so they have their hands free at all times?)

[DainBramaged]

11. The absence of logic by these assholes boggles the mind

[bluestate10]

40. So, Reagan and at least a couple of other Presidents had the same thing happen.

I would think that a Marine who is selected for White House duty would be damned proud to be photographed holding an umbrella for a President.

[demwing]

13. Impeachment Cobbler

A dessert made by cobbling together whatever sticks to the pan, Start with fresh imPEACHes, mix with lot$ of dough, and serve with pure vanilla ice cream-the whiter the better!.

[treestar]

16. Republicans are dumb

They know impeachment is bad and they know Democrats are bad, so Democratic Presidents should be impeached.

I remember years ago, in Delaware, when Carper was governor, there were bumper stickers from some group saying "Impeach Carper." It was like he didn't sign some law they wanted and therefore, should be impeached.

Republicans like the game. To them it's all a game. Impeachment is like a big checkmate on your opponent, so they want to use it to "win."

[spin]

63. I don't think Republicans are dumb enough to try to impeach Obama ...

they will just talk about it in order to fire up their base.

Of course I could be wrong but I have learned to never underestimate your enemy.

[Voice for Peace]

107. it is fine to overunderestimate them, as it confuses them.

Use large words with more than one meaning and peculiar spellings.

[spin]

109. If you do that they tend to call you an elitist and that you think you know more than they do. ...

Of course that is no big deal.

[Voice for Peace]

111. I know, I know.. there is just no pleasing them.

[treestar]

120. True, the use of the word alone to them weakens the President

So it's part of their game. They may even know they aren't going to do it and that it's ridiculous.

But let the Senate go to the Rs and they will do it. Then we might be glad of the filibuster (though not sure that applies in a trial for impeachment).

[Voice for Peace]

106. Carper?

Do you mean Pesident Carper?

[treestar]

121. Governor

Governors can be impeached too. But there was no reason to impeach this governor, just some people using the word because they were mad at him.

[4Q2u2]

17. His is a War Criminal

Because they say it loud and often it has to be true. He has not indicted a former President and his Crime Syndicate at their beck and call.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

Ignoring the fact of the Iraqi Resolution they can give cover to the Whole of Congress (mainly Dems) for completely abdicating their sworn duty to the people of the United States and not believe the lies that led us into a War. A lot of familiar names people are asking about in terms of the next President.

[LWolf]

18. I don't think I've ever suggested that he did. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

20. Why do you ask? Are there people here calling for his impeachment?

Yes, I've seen a couple of elected Republicans making noise, and I'm livid with the President for spying and then lying about it. Still, I haven't seen anyone here calling for his impeachment.

[DainBramaged]

24. Post #23 is a great example

[4Q2u2]

21. Sorry

I thought this was our side of the Impeachment house. The other side, pick one. I will go with the high crime of he thought about sex.

[Fire Walk With Me]

23. Extra-judicial executions of US citizens suspected of terrorism, twice signing and once defending in

court the NDAA section 1021 which provides for the indefinite detention with neither trial nor representation of anyone in the world, with no statement specifically excluding US citizens (what's not written is an intended open door for abuse).

These two actions eliminate much or all of the following sections of the Bill of Rights:

1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 14th and perhaps even more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023497110

Then a over a year of domestic terrorism against the Occupy movement with nearly 8,000 peaceful activists arrested (zero banksters who nearly destroyed the economy and stole trillions of our tax dollars; see the current thread about Summers and the End Game memo).

Then lies about protection for whistle-blowers (his statements regarding such were recently redacted from an internet site). Then bullying of journalists and whistle-blowers. Strengthening the Bush regime surveillance state LIE.

The TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), a corporate coup which will allow corporations to write legislation for our and several countries...!...is being discussed and voted upon in secret from the US public. It's not democracy when we don't have a say in what is foisted upon us.

How about letting the Bush regime war criminals WALK and on the same day the exposer of war crimes Manning is jailed for decades, Obama's DOJ set about gaining immunity for the Bush regime?

Where is the outrage?

[HooptieWagon]

27. Youre taking the OP too seriously.

I don't think they were soliticing thoughtful responses.
IMO, you're on the right track. There are certainly several decisions and actions undertaken by the President that on the surface appear to be illegal, or at least flirting on the edge of illegality. I'm not referring to Benghazi, IRS and the other manufactured "poutrage", but such items as you mentioned. We don't know enough to say they are impeachable actions....but they certainly merit investigation by Congress or special investigator with supaena powers and include sworn testimony. Of course, this should be conducted in the open. Whatever the findings are would guide whatever futher actions are warranted.

[Orsino]

32. +1

However, the rich old white men who can only get alf an erection aren't going to impeach the president for extrajudicial killings. That's probably the only thing he does that they really like.

[HooptieWagon]

36. The idea isnt to have an investigation as a precursor to impeachment per se.

The idea is to restore Congressional oversight where it has quite obviously been lacking. What we know so far is concerning. Lets find out what we don't know... it may be even more concerning. At the very least, it raises the veil of secrecy, and forces the Executive Branch to reveal the secretive (and apparently weak) legal arguements they are using to justify their actions.

[geek tragedy]

44. You can't be serious.

The Republicans don't believe in oversight, they believe in witch hunts.

There have been zero grounds for impeachment committed by this administration.

Zero.

[GoneFishin]

77. Oh. If you say so. Then forget about possibly killing innocent people.

"Extra-judicial executions of US citizens suspected of terrorism, twice signing and once defending in court the NDAA section 1021 which provides for the indefinite detention with neither trial nor representation of anyone in the world ... "

[HooptieWagon]

97. Drone attacks on civilians and first responders.

Kill lists.
Illegal spying by NSA, as found by puppet FISA court that aproves everything, and eventually admitted by administration.

Thats enough there to warrant an investigation....what is there thats still being hidden? An investigation doesn't have to be a GOP witch hunt. If Dem led or independant, with only consciencious participants, it could do a thorough unbiased job. Of course, if its put off and illegal activities keep trickling out, and lies exposed, then the GOP will start smelling blood in the water and will take the lead in investigations. Then it will become a partisan witch hunt.
So, Dems can take the initiative, and do a proper job of it....and they won't face an election backlash. Or the Dems can stonewall until GOP finally takes the initiative, in which case Dems take a beating at the polls, and probably lose Senate and WH.

[geek tragedy]

35. You really should not blatantly lie when advocating the impeachment of a Democratic President.

Section 1021 of the NDAA as a matter of law does NOT authorize any detention of any American citizen anywhere at any time. The federal courts have ruled conclusively on that.

Also, the President did not commit 'domestic terrorism' against anyone.

[bluestate10]

42. The poster is a noted President Obama phobe. The President has NEVER did anything right in

that person's eyes. But, there is hope, that ilk is insignificant. If republicans try Impeachment of our President, voters will rain the fires of hell down on them during election time, and they know that.

[struggle4progress]

67. Why are you still misrepresenting Sec 1021 of the NDAA?

I gave you links to Congressional reports on it as well as cites from the 2nd Circuit opinion, all showing that your claim is entirely without foundation

[Fire Walk With Me]

68. And I gave you links to lawyers who say there is no precedent to prevent it, as well as no specific

exclusion!

[struggle4progress]

70. Nope. You pretty much just ignored it.

The Court holds (p5) "Section 1021 says nothing at all about the President's authority to detain America citizens"

Section 1021(e) was introduced specifically to effect a “truce” that ensured that—as to those covered by Section 1021(e)—courts would decide detention authority based not on Section 1021(b), but on what the law previously had provided in the absence of that enactment

[Fire Walk With Me]

71. All that does is reinforce what I've already said about "no precedent" and "does not specifically

exempt US citizens from indefinite detention with neither trial nor representation".

If you trust the surveillance state (a Bush family creation from which they profit wildly) and the government to NOT abuse the gaping holes purposefully left in Section 1021, you are beyond assistance.

Do you also know that the recent NDAA provides for the US government to LIE to our faces? Legalizes the use of full propaganda (LYING) upon the US public? Do you actually trust this government?!?

NDAA: It is legal for the government to lie to your face.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023438872

[struggle4progress]

74. Quite a few people lie to me. Some do it on message boards. It's usually legal

because there's no litigable issue. When I suspect elected officials lie to me, I have the recourse of not voting for them. Not everybody lies, but it's worth remembering that some people lie sometimes. It's also worth remembering that not every difference of opinion is evidence of lying, and that sometime people misunderstand what others say

[Fire Walk With Me]

75. Yeah, thought so. n/t

[GoneFishin]

82. Hmm. +1000

[struggle4progress]

88. That response seems even more vacuous than I might have expected

[Fire Walk With Me]

90. As compared to your completely meaningless stream-of-consciousness elliptical non-response

to the FACT the government can now LIE to our faces legally? That this proves they are out-of-control with only their own interests in mind, and most definitely not ours?

No time for willful, blatant disregard of facts. Goodbye.

[msanthrope]

69. Yeah--I'd want to see the Republicans try to impeach him on killing Anwar Awlaki.

Can you imagine the testimony of Hilary Clinton? She'd eat them alive.

[Vincardog]

79. You beat me to this list. A good first draft of his crimes.

[Fire Walk With Me]

80. And to think, I voted for him.

[Vincardog]

83. I voted for him twice. The better of two evils is still evil.

[dionysus]

115. oh yes, of course you did.

[dionysus]

114. huffing glue is bad for you. nt

[zappaman]

122. !!!

[tridim]

26. He's smarter than all of them. nt

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[Shrike47]

28. Benghazi!

Just what about Benghazi I'm not sure but somehow he killed 4 Americans there or let them die or fibbed about it or something...

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. You want an honest answer? Because a case coud be made over the NSA

Of course, I don't expect the GOP to go there. They want it themselves.

[dawg]

57. I don't think a case can be made for anything ...

that was done with the consent of Congress. And as angry as I am with the President for these abuses, I think Congress is equally culpable and could have prevented them if it had been willing to take its oversight role seriously.

[nadinbrzezinski]

118. It can be...you also forget the other point of impeachment

It is no longer a judicial act in extremis, but a political act.

But one could be made over the NSA, will it? Not very likely.

I was just answering to the OP, not saying that it will. For starters it lacks the emotional oomph for a judicial lynching. To do that you need something simple, a simple easy to understand story. This is not it.

As to congress...in a just world a few would be voted out by constituents, for major ethical breaches, that ain't gonna happen either. Hell, the previous administration would be on it's way to The Hague, ain't gonna happen either.

Realize my city just got done with exactly that. How you manage a scandal will tell you a lot of how desperate they are.

In fact, Benghazi, the closest to that emotional oomph, is still too complex and distant, why Issa has failed to. The IRS, been simple, but for some reason that never took off either.

Go ahead, call me cynical.

[uponit7771]

89. Ummm, this is silly....he followed the rules...even the GOP isn't trying to impeach him on that

[Demo_Chris]

101. And how exactly do you know this? nt

[Pab Sungenis]

30. Violation of the Fourth Amendment.

[uponit7771]

91. By following the law to the letter?! REALLY!?

[The Link]

31. None. But immorality is not necessarily a high crime and misdemeanor.

[Whisp]

33. He force fed cat food to the poor elderly.

He 'downed' the Bolivian plane that Snowden was suspected to be on.

He is taking money from the 99% and handing it directly to the !% - everything that appears alter to this is just a smoke screen.

He eavesdrops on all Americans, all the time.

He is a homophobe.

His ACA is just that - an Act only. It serves no one any positive purpose except for the Insurance companies.

He lost the first debate to Romney.

He is a misogynist because he didn't let Hillary win.

He rules the British government and has the gall not to tell anyone.

He should know what every federal employee is doing, at all times.

Both his mother and grandmother were 'banksters' so it's in his blood to cheat.

Whenever he meets with a Bush, he neglects to publicly stick them in the eyes with a hot poker.

He is unable to force Congress to do as he bids, so that makes him an ineffectual caver.


... and lots of etcs. over the years. Please feel free to add.

[lamp_shade]

37. ^ Best answers of the bunch. n/t

[msanthrope]

41. And you win the thread!! But you forgot Benghazi!! nt

[DainBramaged]

52. We have a real winner

thank you for your insight, I shall give your name to Senator COCK-Burn immediately

[Whisp]

60. if I have time later, I'll add some from r/w sites. n/t

[LadyHawkAZ]

64. ...

[baldguy]

100. Trouble is, there are those on DU who really believe half of those are impeachable crimes

And that Obama is guilty of them.

With "friends" like these, who needs Republicans?

[LordGlenconner]

34. A lack of ideological purity

[sufrommich]

43. I will not be surprised to see a couple of useful idiots

who take this OP seriously and start listing reasons why Obama should be impeached.

[geek tragedy]

46. said idiots already beat you to it, nt

[one_voice]

48. Surprise...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023519635#post23

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023519635#post30

[greatauntoftriplets]

104. ...

[Andy823]

53. Yes

Seems that ODS is a hard thing to kick, especially for those who have had if since he won back in 2008!

[DainBramaged]

54. We have/////////\\\\\\\\\\

oh my my my oh my my my

[Whisp]

73. there is a reminder ad for those people here on DU

Impeach Obama... bla bla bla. Flashes up right here on DU is you aren't a star member. But that's okay, capitalism like that is okay, in some cases, so they say.

Possible that there is some hypnotism going on here with that Impeach Obama Ad, otherwise, o dear, how could a Democrat Underground be so anti-democratic. Infact there are people here that say this place is Too Biased and Partisan toward democrats.

You don't need a brick to hit you on the head to figure out what's going on here and why.

[Number23]

81. Idiots yes, but nothing "useful" about them, honestly.

[melm00se]

45. Let's see

Born in Kenya
Lying about being an American citizen
Being a Muslim
Being black
Counterfeiting his birth certificate
Manipulating the Hawaiian department vital statistics to recreate the entire live birth records to slip his (faked) birth certificate into the official record















do I really need to attach the sarcasm thingy?

[NoPasaran]

47. Forced John Edwards to get a $500 haircut

Greenlighted "Kickass 2"

Looked the other way while the messboys ate the strawberries.

[one_voice]

49. Was behind picking Ben Affleck...

to play Batman in the Man of Steel sequel.

[DainBramaged]

56. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. Nnnnnnope.

Feel better now?

[Turbineguy]

51. It seems to depend on one's view,

but the rumor has it he has dark skin.

[Rex]

58. Not THIS President, now the LAST one...hell ya I can give you a list!

Obama's only crime is thinking he could actually work something out with the GOPukers in Congress! Wishful thinking Mr. President!

[dawg]

59. I heard he was late in returning a library book back in 1997.

Also, he may or may not have pirated the "Red Wedding" episode of Game of Thrones.

[City Lights]

61. The GOPers are deranged fuckers. nt

[demwing]

62. He started an illegal war in Iraq

Then lied to congress and the American people about why we sent our kids over there to kill and die.

Oh wait, that was the white guy that cheated his way into office 4 8 years earlier.

Never mind...

[SoCalDem]

76. Intelligent Black Man in White House... (all the tea party folks need)

[burnodo]

78. Defending Bush, Cheney, et al from justice

http://warisacrime.org/content/obama-doj-asks-court-grant-immunity-george-w-bush-iraq-war

SAN FRANCISCO, Calif., (Aug. 20, 2013) — In court papers filed today (PDF), the United States Department of Justice requested that George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice and Paul Wolfowitz be granted procedural immunity in a case alleging that they planned and waged the Iraq War in violation of international law.

Plaintiff Sundus Shaker Saleh, an Iraqi single mother and refugee now living in Jordan, filed a complaint in March 2013 in San Francisco federal court alleging that the planning and waging of the war constituted a “crime of aggression” against Iraq, a legal theory that was used by the Nuremberg Tribunal to convict Nazi war criminals after World War II.

"The DOJ claims that in planning and waging the Iraq War, ex-President Bush and key members of his Administration were acting within the legitimate scope of their employment and are thus immune from suit,” chief counsel Inder Comar of Comar Law said.

The “Westfall Act certification,” submitted pursuant to the Westfall Act of 1988, permits the Attorney General, at his or her discretion, to substitute the United States as the defendant and essentially grant absolute immunity to government employees for actions taken within the scope of their employment.

<snip>

[uponit7771]

92. The DOJ isn't supposed to defend the president?

[burnodo]

93. past presidents? accused of war crimes?

Do you now support George W. Bush and his criminal gang?

[dionysus]

123. this might come as a shock to you.

here on DU, for the past 12 years we've all been aware of bush and cheney, and other administration officials being guilty of war crimes\treason by lying us into Iraq.

what you don't seem to understand is, the punishment for these crimes is life imprisonment or death.

if you think you could get the majority of americans to get behind jailing the prior administration for life, or even worse, the death penalty, you're sadly mistaken.

and were the DOJ to even attempt that route... there would be political Armageddon that would make todays obstructionism look like patty-cake.

it's just the way it is.

[burnodo]

125. The age old cry of a Democrat

"That's just the way it is.""We don't have any power""We don't have the votes"

[dionysus]

126. it's the "age old cry" of reality.

do you seriously think the majority of the country wants bush, cheney, rummy and condi locked up for life or given the death sentence?

I take it you're not a Democrat, either?

[dionysus]

117. you better get cracking then.

[GoneFishin]

84. He sold me a bogus story about hope then didn't give me my friggin' change. nt

[DainBramaged]

95. Really

I see Teahadists with those bumper stickers everywhere, odd you'd pick that phrase....

[GoneFishin]

99. Just an unfortunate coincidence. I made it up myself, but would have happily kept it a secret if I

had known teabagger nutjobs are driving around with it on their cars.

[Cali_Democrat]

113. Riiiiiiiiiiight

You just up with that all on your own.

Sure.

[GoneFishin]

124. The promised hope and change wasn't delivered. It's a natural.

Instead we have 80 innocent people being strapped to chairs with masks strapped over their mouths and deliberately oversized tubes jammed up their noses.

We have government sponsored extrajudicial killings.

We have people exposing crimes being sent away for long prison terms, while the criminals skate.

And much more.

Find a teabaghead that gives a shit about any of these things.

Have a nice day.

[Throd]

85. He turned me into a newt!

I got better.

[uponit7771]

86. *********BEING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES********

[Wolf Frankula]

94. He Beat Turtlehead and Snow Snooki in 2008

and Rmoney and Eddie Munster in 2012. Both were ANOINTED BY GOD to be George Monkey Bush's successors.

Wolf

[burnodo]

96. Snow Snooki!

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

[spanone]

98. YES. he began an 'unnecessary' war and started a torture program and...oh, wait a minute

[Hekate]

102. PWB/ Not being The Butler in the White House and accepting 40% pay nt

[Voice for Peace]

108. He dragged us into war with Germany?

[GeorgeGist]

110. Does this count?

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/10/24/top-obama-adviser-awlakis-16-year-old-son-should-have-a-more-responsible-father-if-he-wants-us-not-to-kill-him/


Not that I expect Tom Coburn gives a shit.

[Recursion]

112. There's no legal definition of that term; the House can impeach for anything it wants

During the Clinton impeachment, Rehnquist made some comments about how impeachment was, ultimately, a political process, and the judiciary's only role was as the presiding officer in the Senate trial for removal from office.

[SwampG8r]

116. its anything you want

its a very open minded wording