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Detaining someone for "flying while brown" is not admirable, but at least it tends to arise from some incompetent agent's erroneous belief that someone is likely to be carrying a bomb or planning to hijack a plane or otherwise a threat to transportation. The people doing the detaining are applying prejudices to risk assessment that cause them to make erroneous risk calculations.
Granting extraordinary authority to detain potential terrorists will, predictably, lead to incidents of detaining an international traveler and searching their stuff, and perhaps even confiscating their stuff out of ignorance.
Now, consider this scenario...
How about using laws enacted only with the assurance they are limited to interdicting terrorists at airports to detain persons that the authorities knew in advance are NOT carrying a bomb, are NOT involved in any plot to down aircraft, are NOT in any way affiliated with terrorist groups?
It is one thing to snare a dolphin with an overly broad tuna net, but what if a tuna fishermen saw a dolphin, chased it down and harpooned it?
Would anyone say that was collateral damage? Part and parcel of the cost of netting tuna?
Authorities knew that Miranda would be on a certain plane and pre-targeted him for arrest and detention while also knowing he was not going to be carrying a bomb, and knowing him to not be a terrorist or involved in terrorism.
This was not a case of an overzealous customs official not knowing that a thumb-drive is not a bomb.
The government of the conservative Prime Minister of the UK was involved at high levels in the decision, before the fact, to interdict, question, search and seize from a non-terrorist who was not wanted for any crime in the UK or USA, knowing in advance that that the act would not garner any information about any terrorist plot.
This point seems salient to me in thinking about the incident.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)All of these "post- 9/11" laws and programs, here and abroad, were and are justified as having the goal of protecting against violent attacks on the citizenry.
None were introduced, discussed, or assented to with the understanding that they could be bent and stretched and used to catch naughty journalists or track down leaked documents, or even to hunt for drugs or credit card fraud.
Curiously, the whole boatload of these sweeping powers, in the U.S., anyway, was all ready to go as soon as the bombs went off.
And this is exactly why people objected on grounds of civil liberties, and why the U.S. has the guarantees in the Bill of Rights.
It is not conjecture or possibility, but a FACT that powers allotted to authorities are not merely used for what they are claimed or intended to be for, but for whatever they MAY be used for, because people act in bad faith.
They pretend one motivation, while acting on another. It's not just "the bad people" who do it. It's part of human nature, and one we are rightly wary of.
Therefore, if government can stop, detain, and confiscate the property of a person based on unsubstantiated suspicion, they can do that for no reason, for any reason, and for the "wrong" reasons, and will do so.
Here we have a perfect example. An anti-terror law used with no regard whatsoever for any notion of anything anyone speaking honestly regards as terrorism. And already we see the excuses and deflections, both from authorities and from those who foolishly think they can benefit from the abuse of authority, when the result is convenenient to them.
dkf
(37,305 posts)You think they didn't know Miranda was visiting Poitras? Are they spying on Poitras and Greenwald and their family members and associates?
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)electronics for materials related to UK security. Presumably they know the law in the UK better than most of us