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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow will the militarism/nationalism of the last 10 yrs. be viewed in the future?
When people look back at the USA's last 10 years between 9/11/2001 and now, how will they judge what happened?
Remember all the plastic $1.00 flags that sprouted after 9/11. They were sticking out of almost every window of every car. There was a brief feeling that "We're all in this together" but then war descended.
Many who did not go on to support the Iraq War were supporters of the Afghanistan War. When Bush then pushed for the Iraq War, the split widened however and democrats seemed to grow more and more strongly against the war.
Still, the labeling of Saddam Hussein as the boogeyman was a fairly effective strategy in order to point attention at a common enemy and this strategy was employed effectively later against other individuals that could be struck down with a general agreement that they were bad guys --an easier thing to achieve consensus on then fighting an entire country.
In 2008, Democrats elected a man who professed to be FOR the Afghanistan War but against the Iraq War. Still, the stated reasons were essentially identical to the previous Administration -namely to secure the safety of America from Muslim terrorists. President Obama slowly drew down the Iraq War while increasing US forces in Afghanistan and accelerating attacks against so-called terrorists in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen as well as other places.
Soon, there will be another election where again, this time, the Democrats will be voting in a president who has made a strong record of the use of military force unilaterally in sovereign nations to protect against perceived threats in a sort of low-level "prophylactic" bombing campaign in addition to the hotter Afghanistan War.
At the same time, the citizens of the US generally are in agreement that there returning soldiers are heroes despite the fact that there may be and have been some less than honorable acts undertaken overseas, such as torture, murder, rape and all the usual suspects. After all, that is war and the cause is right and we must not paint our good soldiers with a broad brush, It is not their fault and they are merely following order of the CIC.
CUT TO 50 or 100 years in the future..... Will the positions of the Democrats and Republicans be seen at all different or will it be seen that there was essentially a very strong militaristic/nationalistic movement that went on for 15 years or so, costing trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of casualties due to a sort of mass madness suffered by the trauma of 9/11?
Will the current US citizens be viewed as participants in a paranoid slaughter characterized by a chorus of flag-waving. A sort of fascistic flavor that, looking back, was rather easy to identify and predict?
I don't know, but I do think that trying to view your country from a larger perspective is a good thing. And in doing so, we should throw into the mix the actions taken in Libya and the potential actions we may soon take in syria or Iran.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Then, more likely than not, they will repeat it if the US still has the power to do so.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Forgetting isn't necessarily automatic if you keep the memory fresh in a concerted way like having what really happens taught as part of the curriculum of history classes.
But if we keep being taught the American Myth, well history will repeat itself many times over.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)they will probably look back on the War on Terror like we look back on the First World War.
Most people will only have a few vague images: the Twin Towers on 9/11, American troops in the desert, grizzled men in turbans, IEDS, drones.
malthaussen
(17,202 posts)n/t
Swede
(33,255 posts)They will be consumed with the tramas of the day.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)Owlet
(1,248 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)When you hear that and see the things being taken out of textbooks or tragedies being turned into lollipops deep in the heart of Texas I kind of see what he was talking about.
Maybe he just knew a bit more about what was awaiting the annals of history than we do.
Someday someone will make a big budget blockbuster setting the record straight on the whole shebang and will be consumed as gospel by the masses. It will be filmed with the use of military equipment generously provided by the Pentagon .
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the day the American troops crossed the Line of Departure in Kuwait, March 19th, 2003.
Yes, it will be that stark to historians.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)It is easy to slam the second gulf war, but in the cfirst, we were invited by Kuwait to kick the Iraqus out.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)has cost what it has cost and it was completely unnecessary, and it has created a whole slew of economic problems to the US. That is why.
The decline was already happening, and truly too much inside baseball goes to Reagan... and the early attacks on manufacturing, but the Second Gulf War has had really negative effects and it is the point when we spent our political influence around the world. You think other nations will believe our intelligence again? Yes, they did because of the Missile Crisis, which was pretty much on the up and up. This was not... these were lies. That is the kind of soft power that was pissed off, and a world power needs that soft power.
Democrat18
(28 posts)The Americans actually believed they had the right to carry a loaded gun everywhere they went.