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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:27 AM Aug 2013

U.S. heat on armored car firms to drop pot clubs?

The Obama administration has pressured landlords, banks and credit card companies to cut off services to medical marijuana dispensaries. Now the administration may have found a new target: armored car companies that carry cash for the pot clubs.

The executive director of Oakland's huge Harborside Health Center, already fighting a federal eviction suit, has used armored cars to pay tax collectors and other creditors because he can no longer use checks or credit cards. On Wednesday, he said, the armored car company told him it was terminating service on the orders of an unnamed federal agency.

The National Cannabis Industry Association said the same thing happened to several dispensaries in Colorado within the past month, under pressure from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. Colorado and California are among 18 states that have legalized the medical use of marijuana.

"We don't have any written document that the DEA has actually sent to the (armored car) companies. We know that the services have stopped" for most Colorado dispensaries, said Steve Fox, the cannabis association's director of government relations.

http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/U-S-heat-on-armored-car-firms-to-drop-pot-clubs-4758848.php

More shameful behavior, cracking down on sick people and making the legal cannabis trade dangerous.

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U.S. heat on armored car firms to drop pot clubs? (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 OP
Yaay, Obama! Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #1
Supporting the very unhelpful drug war that is only serving to make kingpins loudsue Aug 2013 #2
Wonder if he needs to contact the local Occupy folks.. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #3
Glad you got your priorities in order, prez. CrispyQ Aug 2013 #4
Add this to the more than 1000 unnecessary soldier deaths in Afghanistan... AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #5
given Obama's record of drug use dsc Aug 2013 #6
^^^^THIS^^^^ X10,000 cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #12
Didn't he say he didn't inhale ? warrant46 Aug 2013 #17
neither one had any business enforcing laws against pot dsc Aug 2013 #21
A war on a plant warrant46 Aug 2013 #22
Woohoo! Now that's changetastic. progressoid Aug 2013 #7
Obama is being an idiot on this issue. I wish I knew why. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #8
Big Pharma $$$$$$$. That's why. n/t Mr. Evil Aug 2013 #10
Possible answer. The GOPer far-right owns Democrats in this issue... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #11
I don't think that's applicable any longer RainDog Aug 2013 #20
Phantom or real, Democrats still hear 'bump' in the night... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #24
A guy from the MPP noted RainDog Aug 2013 #25
The GOP FR was BUILT around counter-culture hatred. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #26
Prohibition policies Always seek to inflict ever more punishment & pain. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #9
Gees, Don't they have some people to spy on instead? dballance Aug 2013 #13
Adding abuse, to injury, to insult, to lies on the campaign trail. ~nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #14
WTH! k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #15
Time to bring in the informal security forces. I think a deal can be brokered with some Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #16
That is exactly what the feds want, to push a legal working trade, into the shadows. Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #19
it's so strange this is happening RainDog Aug 2013 #18
"Clubs"? There's some spin for you. Scuba Aug 2013 #23
The federal government doesn't have better things to do than this? Heidi Aug 2013 #27
Prohibition creates an unnatural relationship felix_numinous Aug 2013 #28

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
2. Supporting the very unhelpful drug war that is only serving to make kingpins
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:47 AM
Aug 2013

very rich, and funding black-ops for the USA is not a good use of our justice department. Obama is pushing against the tide here, too.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. Wonder if he needs to contact the local Occupy folks..
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:23 PM
Aug 2013

They seem to be very creative in coming up with alternative methods of government caused problems.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
4. Glad you got your priorities in order, prez.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:33 PM
Aug 2013

~insert flip-the-bird smiley here.

This is just one of many reasons why I'm no longer a registered dem. One of many.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
5. Add this to the more than 1000 unnecessary soldier deaths in Afghanistan...
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:33 PM
Aug 2013

Drone strikes that have killed hundreds of innocent civilians and is promoting Anti-Americanism, and the health danger coverup of the BP Oil Spill leading to a major health crisis in the Gulf area, and Obama's not looking as much better than Bush as we thought.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
21. neither one had any business enforcing laws against pot
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 08:46 PM
Aug 2013

and for that matter neither did Bush. Not everything Clinton did was great and this was one example of a not great.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
11. Possible answer. The GOPer far-right owns Democrats in this issue...
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:01 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Mon Aug 26, 2013, 08:12 AM - Edit history (1)

Just as LBJ feared the cut & run charge of the RW GOPer during his conduct of the Vietnam War, Democrats fear the "soft on drugs" charge of the GOPer FR. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT: The cornerstone of the FR's rise to power is the development of a livid & enduring hatred of the 60's counter-culture and its persistent symbol, the Marijuana Cigarette. The GOP rank & file live by this coalesced hatred, supremely realized by Newt Gingrich.

The WOD, or more accurately the War on Marijuana, has become the domestic equivalent of Communism, and explains why first Clinton, then Obama racked up huge arrest numbers on their respective watches.

Ain't NO ONE gonna accuse them of not cowing to the GOPer on this.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
20. I don't think that's applicable any longer
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 08:18 PM
Aug 2013

and hasn't been for a while.

honestly. Since more than 70% of Americans, since the late 1990s, have supported legally available mmj, this phantom of the right is in the minds of the left politicians.

and is a convenient scare to maintain the status quo, with all the money that goes to various bureaucracies, law enforcement agencies within states, military contractors and for-profit prisons with their demands for 90% occupancy.

since a majority of Americans favor legal recreational marijuana - this issue has really moved beyond the ability, it seems, of a large, stagnant federal bureaucracy to respond in a sensible manner.

but all the excuses are gone - any perceived legitimate excuse.

all that's left is forcing taxpayers to fund a prohibition that they don't want. that's what people see. so, by doing this Democrats reinforce all the negative stereotypes about the problem with federal govt.

...which is why more and more people on the left think the federal govt no longer represents the best interests of the majority - this, combined with gerrymandering which makes it possible for republicans to control a house that also does not represent the will of the American people.

so what we're left with are two branches that are supposed to be responsive to voters who care about money, not lives.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
24. Phantom or real, Democrats still hear 'bump' in the night...
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 08:05 AM
Aug 2013

I'm aware of the poll numbers and I'm sure Obama et al are aware of the arrest numbers. But he isn't going to do much about bulk incarceration as long as the GOPers bully him; it isn't a priority.

The strategy of picking off one state at a time for legalization Will work, but Cali is going to have to shit or get off the pot re legalization, or be subject to Obama's 'work.'

This hasn't been about corporate interests primarily. It is about keeping Democrats cowed or out of office, though some private prison interests have figured out how to make $ out of the most cost-effective political means of electing loud-mouth RW GOPers in huge quantities within the last 40 years.

Democrats have learned a bad habit well.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
25. A guy from the MPP noted
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 09:10 AM
Aug 2013

A guy who lobbied for the Marijuana Policy Projected talked about meeting with legislators and, to a person, they assumed support for legalization (or decriminalization) was lower than it is (and was.) They had the numbers exactly backward, in fact, and assumed it was a "fringe" issue because the whole subject has been framed as Cheech and Chong vs. sobriety.

This was on both sides of the aisle. Repeatedly.

I don't know why you think this has had anything to do with keeping Democrats out of office since no federal-level Democrat since Jimmy Carter, until recently, was willing to even address the issue. To me, it has looked like the beltway is simply out of touch.

When you say "it" hasn't been about corporate interests, how do you square that with the massive amts. of funding that go to military contractors that is unaccounted for? Funding for the WoD is a cash cow - and yet there is no demonstrable effect for spending trillions of dollars.

Biden started the office of the drug czar, so it's not exactly like any northeastern democrat has shown any leadership on this issue, other than Frank, with the sort of "throw it against the wall" sorts of legislation that couldn't get out of committee. No one has really challenged Republicans on this - or sought to exploit the divisions within Republican voters that exist with libertarians v. social conservatives.

And how does the stunning increase in incarceration, that is tied directly to the rise of the war on drugs and various sentencing laws, square with the idea this isn't about corporate interests? How are law enforcement orgs., who get federal funding for their state orgs, not part of the corporate interest problem?

How does the fact that the alcoholic bev, industry lobby insisted on helping to fund WoD propaganda - as long as they weren't included - not indicate corporate influence on drug policy?

No doubt CA is important. The population of CA is greater than the entire northeastern region, including NY, but CA has had more liberal mj laws for nearly 20 years with mmj legislation, and now with decriminalization, it's far, far ahead of any federal level suggestion or implementation.

Alaska will probably be the next state to legalize - since they, too have had far more liberal law regarding mj than anything considered in DC for years, too.

I'm sure pols in DC are familiar with the polls - as far as they care to know. They have demonstrated, however, that they don't dare to challenge bureaucracies that exist to perpetuate the drug war. Which, again, leads me to the cui bono question, and the answer is the pigs at the trough in federal agencies, contractors - these are the beneficiaries of this continued failed policy.

And it's stunning, really, that Obama laughed off this issue, to me, because it's so easy to make the argument for decriminalization for mmj - this is an issue of compassion and everyone has a family member who has dealt with cancer, etc. People were really hoping that Obama would be rational about this issue because he's also obviously not some foaming at the mouth opportunist like Gingrich, etc.

But when you hear the drug czar's office, the NIDA, the DEA, and so on, making pronouncements that are obviously false - it's pretty hard to believe this is about right vs. left since no one beyond Cohen or Polis challenges these lies.

But you think this comes down to Democrats being afraid to lead because they're afraid a Republican might say something bad about them? This, again, strikes me as such a weird understanding of this issue when such a large majority, for so many years, has demonstrated overwhelming support for rescheduling (i.e. medical use.)

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
26. The GOP FR was BUILT around counter-culture hatred.
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 10:19 AM
Aug 2013

And Gingrich (a pothead & draft-dodger himself) brought thus construct to fruition by the early 90s, aided by the senseless AWB. The really big bucks made off the WOD started after Bush 1, long after pot was made illegal, and long after first Nixon then Reagan's pump up of the WOD.

Poll numbers are useful, esp. as they point to sublime intransigence of government power. Otherwise, myth and phantom will serve nicely.

Regarding the 2 parties, the GOP still owns the issue. I have said for years that if the Repubs want to expand their middle aged base, they can legalize pot and leave Demos scrambling about seeking permission to "me too."

Things are changing. But over the years of working political campaigns, I don't know how many Democrats I have helped elect who wouldn't touch the legalization 3rd rail because of fear of GOPer "soft on drug" attack, even as I shared joints with some.

My outlook may be weird, but that is because economic determinism ain't a religion to me. And MPP seems to be of roughly the same mind, which is why I belong to that group, and have contributed money to them for some 16 years.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
16. Time to bring in the informal security forces. I think a deal can be brokered with some
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 06:59 PM
Aug 2013

of the larger motorcycle clubs. More protest than security, When 75 - 100 Harleys pull up, en masse, to deliver those quarterly deposits, I'll bet that the armored car services will become available again.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
19. That is exactly what the feds want, to push a legal working trade, into the shadows.
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 08:02 PM
Aug 2013

The last thing any medical marijuana provider wants to do is get involved with bikers.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
18. it's so strange this is happening
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 07:47 PM
Aug 2013

when the AG office made a deal with banks who laundered money for drug dealers who created special boxes to fit into teller windows to deposit cash.

Thanks for keeping the world safe for drug cartels, DEA!

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
28. Prohibition creates an unnatural relationship
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 11:31 AM
Aug 2013

with nature--it's premise is that human beings cannot create a balanced relationship themselves. It represents and parallels the over culture of force, and like parents that use force instead of compassion and respect, what is born of this relationship is acting out and imbalance. This acting out is a normal reaction to having choices taken away. A counter culture is created by human beings in order to stay sane--who refuse to be treated like stupid children. But what is mixed up in this is the collateral damage--of those whose spirits and bodies have been fractured, broken like horses, from their nature, who may or may not be able to retrieve it. This collateral damage, to destabilize people, is actually a desired result because it then can be used to rationalize further use of force.

Our relationship with substances, especially plants, reflects how the constructed domesticated part is us relates to the wild natural part of ourselves--as within so without. In some people you will see a fear and distrust of the wild instinctual, while in others they have learned to fine tune it. This fine tuning WITH nature I believe is what the unnatural over culture feels threatened by--because when you are empowered from within, when you have discovered--for yourself--after thinking for yourself--that you are in fact completely capable of governing yourself--it becomes clear that this paradigm of over controlling and fear mongering is entirely out of balance, unnatural, and in need of correction.

Throughout history cannabis has been cultivated, on every continent, it has survived multiple attempts to eradicate it, because people are simply making the choice to have this herb. People have cultivated varieties on every continent that vary as much as cultures and people's natures do.

I see everything related, what is happening in the plant world reflects what is happening everywhere else--a desperate attempt by a few to control nature rather than co create this world in respect for it.

They are now in their end games of using poisons, plundering forests, scorching whole regions and oceans, using radioactivity for power and weaponry-- after inciting violence between people who would otherwise not use weapons of mass destruction-- because their sick premise is that people are innately, naturally so OUT OF CONTROL that they need to be not only forced into compliance--but must be killed off.


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