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Now, we have a moral obligation | |
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There has to be more barbaric acts shown on the teevees | |
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Only if nuclear weapons are used | |
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Never. Foreigners are never worth even one drop of precious American blood | |
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leveymg
(36,418 posts)Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Well, someday when the stench of death leaves....
JVS
(61,935 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)thanks for coming up with that.
JVS
(61,935 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)devils chaplain
(602 posts)to know the poll results of the same question asked about sub-Saharan Africa.
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)devils chaplain
(602 posts)Petroleum counts for an awful lot. I think framing it solely in "protecting innocent human life" terms is pretty disingenuous.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)If you aren't willing to risk your own ass for a cause, don't volunteer other people to do so. That's chickenhawkery.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)devils chaplain
(602 posts)Killing 30,000 Jews by gunshot at Babi Yar was somehow less objectionable than 30 with a Zyklon-B pellet.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)According to his speech today. His description of the innocents...made me wonder if he needs to see some videos of the "Innocents" killed by bombs, drones and and the aftermath. He said he viewed the "gassed" on Social Media and how outrageous it was.
Somebody send him some Drone, Bomb links quick... Also some video of how the Gitmo Prisoners are being forced fed with the tubes down their throats for 200 days now.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)War is never the solution.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Reasonable dialogue with Hitler?
LWolf
(46,179 posts)The solution to all of the above is prevention. Like any movement spawned by propaganda, the solution to fascism is education that focuses on critical thinking.
As far as Hitler and the holocaust go, it was previous war that brought him to power.
That's the point. War doesn't solve things. It causes further atrocities.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Maybe not simplistic. Possibly naive, though. I don't say that to be mean, but just education or prevention means a lick in a world this large.
War IS the solution sometimes. It's a sad, terrible solution ... but it is a solution. We can debate the issues that led to World War II all we want - but it doesn't change the fact the solution when everything went to shit was to go to war. The U.S. could have sat out World War II, but they didn't because they saw only one solution.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I'm sure either side will take you in, give you a rifle and put you on the front lines. Then you can post all you want about how you are finding a solution.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Chances are, any 'war' the U.S. involves itself in won't amount to more than missiles launched into the nation.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It doesn't improve the human condition long-term. It perpetuates itself, and it perpetuates the causes of war.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Just letting Hitler fester wasn't the answer. Sure, you can debate until the cows come home what led to that point, but by the 1940s, it became clear there was only one solution and it was to go to war. Sometimes the right solution isn't the easiest.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It might be YOUR solution, but that doesn't make it okay.
Warmongers created the situation that allowed Hitler to come to power. Isolating him in history is about as logically and ethically corrupt as manipulating people using one verse out of the bible taken out of context.
1awake
(1,494 posts)Is there a point when I believe it to be worth American blood? Yes. But I also believe we as a country stick our nose in things ALL OVER the globe. I would be happy if a majority of the time we stopped bypassing the UN and let them take the lead. Why do we have to be either the world's police or involved in everyone else's affairs? Yes yes... there are circumstances when it is called for.
WouldbeCentrist
(35 posts)Not to sound relativistic, but what kind of war would be fought in Syria. I am assuming that it would be like Libya, wherein we launched some long range aerial attacks that cost a lot of money but not a lot of (American) lives.
I ask because if we do the American blood option above might be null in void so to speak.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Mz Pip
(27,403 posts)I don't see any good outcomes there in the foreseeable future. Assad is horrible but is the opposition going to be any better?
Iraq is still a mess, Afghanistan also. Egypt went from a dictator to a zealot to a military takeover. What works over there? Jordan, maybe?
So we watch in horror, pretty much helpless. It sucks, but what would our involvement look like?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Will it increase or decrease the bloodletting? Either it would be insufficient to lead toward the toppling of the regime and would only encourage further bloodletting. The Assad regime is largely backed by a coalition of minorities; Christians, Shiites, Allawaites, Druze, and others who know that if Assad looses - so do they. They will fight to the end because they are fighting for their survival. Or we will have to see a massive military involvement that will cause a great deal of bloodletting in itself leading toward either a protracted civil war with even more bloodletting or a totalitarian regime equal or worse than Assad. Or we would be talking of a long term foreign imposed peace through military occupation. That, I can only imagine how well that would work.
There are situtions where military intervention may be the right thing to do.But I see no evidence that this is one of them. When I look at the history of U.S. military interventions - they were continually justified on moral grounds - only a few stood up to scrutiny . The vast majority were driven by deeply selfish motives.
Nothing good will come of a military attack - not in the long run - you will see
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The more we make it about anything else, the worse our decisions are.
FSogol
(45,355 posts)Everyone who picked "Never. Foreigners are never worth even one drop of precious American blood" should be ashamed.
Chisox08
(1,898 posts)and No we shouldn't go into Syria. We will be opening up the gates of hell in another middle eastern country.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Also, I'm sometimes drowsy afterwards if I take in too much ennui.