Santorum: Separation Of Church And State 'Makes Me Want To Throw Up'

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Rick Santorum on Sunday took on of separation of church and state.

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state are absolute," he told 'This Week' host George Stephanopoulos. "The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country...to say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes me want to throw up."

The GOP candidate was responding to comments he made last October. He had said that he "almost threw up" after reading JFK's 1960 speech in which he declared his commitment to the separation of church and state.

Santorum also on Sunday told Meet The Press host David Gregory that separation of church and state was "not the founders' vision."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/26/santorum-church-and-state_n_1302246.html?ref=politics

Santorum: JFK speech on church and state makes me want to ‘throw up’
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/212589-santorum-continues-to-face-questions-on-nclb-vote-


Santorum: ‘I Don’t Believe In An America Where The Separation Between Church And State Is Absolute’
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/02/26/432573/santorum-i-dont-believe-in-an-america-where-the-separation-between-church-and-state-is-absolute/

Rick Santorum took issue with President John F. Kennedy’s famous speech on the separation of church and state on Sunday, telling This Week’s George Stephanopoulos that he does not believe the separation is absolute:

I don’t believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and visions of our country.

Watch it:

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[southernyankeebelle]

1. Funny as a catholic he makes me want to throw up.

[FarLeftFist]

16. Well then Rick, what about Synagogues and Mosques? Oh you mean just your faith?

[treestar]

17. Bingo!

Exactly. Some interviewer should ask him that question if they haven't already.

[LeftishBrit]

22. Not to mention liberal Protestant churches, which he regards as non-Christian.

[southernyankeebelle]

28. I am telling you he is the weirdest catholic I have ever seen. Catholics believe in evolution

and sickie Rickie doesn't. He actually is a evangelical. The catholic church isn't. He doesn't seem to like even mainline protestant churches. Just a weirdo. But I do think he should keep talking because the more he talks the more he exposes the true republican party taken over by the religious right.

[FarLeftFist]

43. Yeah, Ricky should give up religion for lent or possibly convert to Catholicism.

America doesn't elect Pope's, you're running for President.

[southernyankeebelle]

44. The catholics are embrassed by him. Give him to the evangelicas. They love the wackos.

[mac56]

2. How does "separation of church and state" = "people of faith have no role in the public square"?

For Little Ricky, "I'm not getting my way" = "religious oppression."

[Ohio Joe]

6. It is one of the lies fundies keep repeating

'I can't legislate my religion' = 'I can't be open about my faith' = 'I'm being persicuted'.

Total bullshit to get people to think there is a war on religion.

[Shadowflash]

13. Truth!

[surrealAmerican]

12. He seems to be deliberately misunderstanding this.

I assume his "base" wants to hear this. He couldn't really be stupid enough to not see the distinction.

[hfojvt]

26. uhm, welcome to DU?

there are some here who believe that is exactly what separation of church and state means.

in fact, I wonder where the title of this thread came from. Was it think progress or a DUer who changed Santorum's

"I don't believe that people of faith have no role in the public square" into "I do not believe in the separation of church and state."

Is it really accurate to leave out the key word ABSOLUTE?


Do you believe that "separation of church and state" is the same thing as "absolute separation of church and state"?

How exactly does "absolute separation ..." differ from "people of faith have no role in the public square"?

[New Yawker]

29. There's a "school zone" in front of a church because it has a school for Catholics

and another one for the right-wing Jewish school - both do qualify for "seperation between church and state" - take down the damn sign and hire your own rent-a-cop if you want us to slow down - because I _REFUSE_ to recognize these school zones because they fail to seperate between church and state. Both schools are private.

Public schools in front of me are a different story - I do follow the school zone rules.

[Occulus]

42. there are actually plenty of people RIGHT HERE who feel the same way

as evidenced in another thread a day or two ago.

Our tent has become too big.

[RKP5637]

3. Let's see, Rick, I believe there are about 4,000 religions in the world, so that means

each one of them gets an equal say in gov., or are you only imposing your brand of religion wishfully on the entire nation. How about the Church of Satan, shouldn't they have an equal say too? Or is this another of your F'ed up theocratic ideas.

[Frustratedlady]

4. "not the founders' vision."

Can I assume he was there when they wrote that part?

You can sure tell where his kids get those long, gloom & doom faces. That household must be a real circus with a father that could throw up over a statement made by JFK.

Every day, he gets closer and closer to being certifiable...and I don't mean as a viable candidate.

[Botany]

15. Rick just makes stuff up so he can say that speration between church and state ...

..... was not in the founders vision even though that is exactly what they
had in mind when the wrote the Constitution.

Jefferson wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which
declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting
the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

But this falsehood is a tame one for Ricky because did you know that 1 in 10 deaths in the Netherlands
is from euthanasia? Or that people in the Netherlands have to wear a bracelet that says "please don't
kill me" because if they are taken ill they will be taken to a hospital and "put down?"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=57a_1329591046

[Frustratedlady]

46. The video is why he is so dangerous.

He speaks in conspiratorial tones/terms in order to shock his audience (you could hear the gasps), thus, remains locked in their minds as a man of knowledge and concern for their well-being.

Any Republican as POTUS would be scary, at this point in time, but Santorum would be a disaster. His cylinders aren't all pumping.

[tanyev]

5. Throw up? Really? Are you 12 years old, Rick?

[JDPriestly]

7. Which church is he talking about?

The Unitarians, the Catholics, maybe Jewish synagogues?

Which church does he want to influence our government?

It makes a big, big difference on issues like education, abortion, science, birth control and treatment of the poor.

[JoePhilly]

8. If you don't accept Ricky's religious proclamations, it is you who have attacked him.

[hobbit709]

9. Let's hope he gets the dry heaves.

[Yooperman]

10. The thought of not having separation of church and state make me want to

so we are even....

Dipshit... that is why our founding fathers put it in the constitution in the first place, to keep people like you from taking over and making this country like Saudi Arabia where there is no separation. Where women can't drive a car and or get married without first getting permission from a male. Where religious police roam the streets and once let a school of young girls burn to death because they would not let them out of the building because their heads weren't covered. I know for a fact it would be people like those from the Westboro Baptist Church that would be in the front line telling others how we had to think and behave given more influence and power. Thank GOD the writers of the constitution saw this and took steps to prevent idiots like them or others like them from imposing their warped ideas on the masses.

YM

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

11. When Santorum throws up, his vomit looks like green pea soup

and on his stomach appears the message "help me". Shortly thereafter, his head starts to spin around and around on his shoulders. Santorum's church actually worships the upside-down cross.

[New Yawker]

33. This is his music...

[snappyturtle]

14. Maybe ol' Ricky needs a refresher on the vision of the founders:

I probably got this off DU...I posted it on FB.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/153727/5_founding_fathers_whose_skepticism_about_christianity_would_make_them_unelectable_today/

[jwirr]

18. Ricky, the idea of separation of church and state was a direct result of the religious wars in

Europe (in the years preceeding our own constitution) where the state determined what religion you had to be no matter what you wanted. There was no freedom of religion then. Is that what you want to go back to?

Unfortunately I think we know the answer to that. He is pushing Catholic ideas that many of us Christian or not do not want to follow.

[tularetom]

19. If he really means that, he is in serious need of help

I'm assuming his comment is campaign rhetoric primarily intended to reach the hicks and that he doesn't mean that statement literally.

However, knowing what little I do know about him (like the dead fetus incident) there is always the possibility that it reflects his true feelings and that he actually does want to throw up when he thinks about the separation of church and state.

And if this is the case, he is a very sick man.

[New Yawker]

34. Ricky Santorum is a big candidate to visit the sanitorium

or an insane asylum

Lock him up there. For life.

[SunsetDreams]

20. Even The Tidy Bowl God Would Rise Up In Protest

Rick Santorum is hated everywhere

[Initech]

21. Ugh... This is the last guy I want picking a justice.

[LeftishBrit]

23. Why does he hate America for its freedoms?

[Marrah_G]

24. Which church Rick?

Which church should have a say in government?

[SunsetDreams]

25. Exactly!

It's rediculous. Which religion would super cede all others? It makes my head hurt.

[pipi_k]

27. What I would tell Little Ricky

is that he's free to find some place far away and start his own damned country based on his own damned religion and run it any way he wants to.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

30. . . .

[fascisthunter]

31. that's because it doesn't allow psychos like you forcing religion down our throats

[PatSeg]

32. Well then Rick

You don't actually believe in America, because without "separation of church and state", there would be no America as we know it. What an idiot.

[HillWilliam]

35. Hey dick... uh, Rick!

Your heaven on earth already exists.

There are countries where gays and lesbians are stoned to death, where women have few to no rights and must walk ten steps behind their men, where religion and state are pretty much the same thing, and where religious texts are the basis for common law. They're called Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Pack your shit... pack. your. SHIT and GTFO.

We don't do that shit here and that's what makes America great.

[DCBob]

36. Santorum seems to be competing with Romney for the oddest vocabulary.

When they go off script they really go off script.

[undeterred]

37. The people who have the easiest time re-writing the history of the "founders"

are the ones who've never actually studied it. Like Rick Santorum. They just invent it as they go along.

[indypaul]

38. Head up his ass so far

that if he sits down he is in danger of breaking his neck. If he ould throw-up
after reading JFK's speech. Then he should read Thomas Paine's farwell
speech to the Quakers. That might cause him to self commit himself to
a mental institution for some help,

[IcyPeas]

39. yuk, his throw up is probably a frothy mixture.... etc etc.

everything he says makes me want to throw up.

[Renew Deal]

40. Why does Santorum hate America?

[Ikonoklast]

41. All Hail Xenu!

I can't wait fot the fiirst Scientology president.

If Rick thinks that politicians should have the right to impress their religion on the rest of us, the first nutjob Scientologist president's term in office would be a real hoot!

[alp227]

45. So does this make Reagan a godless Democrat?

See his Remarks at an Ecumenical Prayer Breakfast in Dallas, Texas (8/23/84): "We establish no religion in this country, nor will we ever. We command no worship. We mandate no belief."