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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAfter watching the VMA's last night---I am officially declaring 8-25-13--- the day Music died.
Can somebody please bring back the seventies.roody
(10,849 posts)of it?
trumad
(41,692 posts)A big deal for the music world. They held them last night.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)fans of Don McLean's "American Pie" and all of us oldsters
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)but the levee was dry...
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)only wish for such ruin!
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)opinion, writing as a semi-pro songwriter).
N.B. Pretty sure official title was\is 'Vincent'.
ETA: Looks like we're both correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_%28song%29
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)"The world was never meant for one as beautiful as you."
Vincent Van Gogh.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)"Weathered faces lined in pain
Are soothed beneath the artist's loving hand"
Vincent was (and is) a man of the people, an artist for the proletariat. You don't need a degree in art history or coursework in art appreciation to hear him speak to you. You just need eyes that see and a heart that feels.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)was drinkin' whiskey an' rye.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)This'll be the day that I die."
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)ripcord
(5,399 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I've never gotten over that one, ever since I learned about it in 1978
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Tells you my age.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Talk about a voice!
Bertha Venation
(21,484 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I'm right there with you. But Mel B. came back in her post Spice career.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But I think it came off more like this...
Either way, it was bad. It was very sexist, and really classless, it is MTV if you are going to do it somewhere why not do it where you influence the next generation.
and...
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)after being a professional virgin and member of true love waits, is part of the Disney persona . Look at Christina Aguilera, Mandy Moore and Britney Spears.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Mandy has dropped off the radar pretty much. Britney....well....she's a good dancer, singer not so much. No one seems very impressed with Miley overall.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts). . . . when it collectively decided to not sign any more freaks, risk takers or creative artists. Let's instead make music into a commodity with Disney-friendly little girls and pop singles.
The tragic results of this decision were on display last night.
My lawn has nothing to do with music sucking on its own in 2013.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)You just won't often find it on major labels from their newer signings (some of the "old dogs" still have some very good tricks).
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Great music made it into the mainstream for about 2 minutes, it seemed, back then. After that, mainstream music went to hell in a hand basket.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I saw it on CNN this morning. Popular music these days really sucks.
live love laugh
(13,109 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)She's just another Britney Spears-style "entertainer". Just a strip club act, really.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)I have been trying for years to come up with a description of Britney Spears...
"Just a strip club act..."
Perfect...
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...when we weren't supplied the video and had to come up with our own...
Cheers...
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)If you took all the girls I knew
When I was single
And brought them all together for one night
I know they'd never match
My sweet imagination
And everything looks worse in black and white
Kodachrome
You give us those nice bright colors
You give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, oh yeah!
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So Mama, don't take my Kodachrome away
steve2470
(37,457 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)But sadly, it never will.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)autotune gadget smashing parties held daily since the invention of that garbage. I'm not even sure the electronics parts could be salvaged and recycled. They might "remember" what their job once was.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)And to hell with post-processing! If they can't cut the track in one take with a live singer and band, they don't deserve to work in music!
While we're at it, movies should be shot in one take, with all effects produced in-camera. Otherwise it's crap!
GET OFF MY LAWN!
TM99
(8,352 posts)Autotune is quite another.
One allows an engineer to 'fix' an otherwise good take. Autotune makes people who have no business singing to begin with believe that they can and should. Then they all sound alike, which is of course perfect for corporate pop trash but not the best for creative music making.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)Less-than-stellar singers have been assisted in various ways for decades, and good singers have been made to sound better for much longer than that. I doubt that most auto-tuned performers really believe that they're great singers, in the same way that most supermodels probably don't think that they look like they do on magazine covers.
There's a territorial dispute going on here, too, between singers and performers, and I don't see why there needs to be just one or the other. Maybe Ke$ha can't sing her way out of a paper bag, but if she's entertaining her fans, then I say good for her.
"Creative music making" has gotten the short end of the deal for a very long time, but so has every other creative artistic venture. Just ask those who self-identify as creative artists!
TM99
(8,352 posts)There is a difference between a singer and performer. A singer can be a great singer and then be a performer as well. A performer couldn't before Auto-tune. Now they can, and in order to compete, even established singers like Reba are using it.
Technology is great - I use it constantly - hardly a Luddite. But a point of diminishing returns can be hit. When every singer is now nothing more than a performer and they all use auto-tune, then they all sound alike. It is truly the artistic equivalent of processed food. Box mac and cheese may have gotten quite a few poor college students through, and some may even have found memories of its taste. But it has never compared to your mother or grandmothers' home made mac and cheese, and it never will.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)and become a housewife or something.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)http://fanasylum.com/steveperry/
TM99
(8,352 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)does not even register. It is singularly unimportant.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)even register (except maybe for Shakespeare, Dickens, Bach, Beethoven, Michelangelo, Monet, Newton and Einstein). It is singularly insignificant
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)At that level, nothing is really consequential.
The entire solar system could disappear in a massive explosion and it would have no effect on things on a cosmic scale. Indeed, such things are commonplace.
Since I am a human being, on a tiny, insignificant planet, I can only deal with things on a planetary scale. And on that scale, Miley Cyrus is scarcely significant at all, and one performance by that insignificant person is even less impressive.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #59)
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HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)you. Think globally, spend locally is my mantra. Explains why my wife and I only go to non-chain coffeehouses and bars that have live music and works of local artists on display.( Last big-name act I saw was back in 1979 when I saw David Bowie in Kansas City's Music Hall, a small intimate venue. Great concert, right after Bowie came out with his album Heroes.)
Orrex
(63,212 posts)One could ask the same of Madonna of Michael Jackson (though Michael might not answer right away.
Or we could ask Elvis if his gyrating hips made him a better singer.
I'm not a fan of Ms. Cyrus, but she's hardly the first singer accused of sexualizing a performance to hide a lack of talent, and I doubt she'll be the last.
I really need to find DU's list of Approved Performance Styles so that I know which performers I'm allowed to like.
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Orrex
(63,212 posts)Roger Waters spat in a fan's face during a live performance of The Wall. Rock bands of all stripes have a long history of trashing hotel rooms, etc. Bieber's hardly alone in his asshole behavior, though I grant that his "style" doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.
What's happening here, as is always the case, is a bunch of people explaining why their dislike of a certain performer should oh my goodness never in a million years be dismissed as get-off-my-lawn-ism. No, we tasteful souls reject these performers because they suck, whereas the performers that we like are of obviously higher quality, even though they did a lot of the same stupid shit as the current crop.
Might be worth asking Liza Minelli about Judy Garland's offstage antics, while we're at it.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)because I expressed my opinion. Apparently only you are allowed to have one. Excuse me.
edited to reflect your opinion only.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)Delete your post for whatever reason you wish, but don't blame me.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,580 posts)they can't wait to finish talking about boring things like the use of chemical weapons in Syria and move on to the cray-cray happenings at the VMAs.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)I'm only half way joking.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Or maybe I should use this miley ... oops ... I mean smiley.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Poor girl.
randr
(12,412 posts)covered Chuck Berry. It is just getting harder and harder for them to exploit the pop culture youth and this is just an example of how far they need to go to keep the attention of their market. At the same time it is expanding the boundaries of sexual expression which is part of the legacy of Rock and Roll, so I would not dismiss it out of hand.
Thankfully there is still the far larger library of contemporary and established musicians who still create music from the heart and mind. You just need to turn off the MTV crap and find yourself a radio station that cares about their listeners.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)when you start spouting the exact same quotes your parents did.
Music is declared dead about every 10 years.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Real music never dies, even if pop music fans never listen to it.
Gaga and Cyrus are hacks.
KG
(28,751 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Wonder what she think?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)so...I wouldn't worry about her disapproval of this..
Still Blue in PDX
(1,999 posts)Peacetrain
(22,876 posts)Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)Ah yes, the 70's. The era of (shudder) disco, big hair, bell bottoms, and glam rock.
Disco sucks now, sucked then, and always will. So some of us don't have a lot of fond memories of the 70's, at least musically.
I will say though, that Southern Rock bands such as (the REAL) Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Allman Bros., Molly Hatchett and others helped us survive that dark era in music.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Not punk? Springsteen? The Police...?
Just Disco?
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)I have many fond memories of the 70's. Great time to be a teenager. But I am from SF/Berkeley.
brooklynite
(94,571 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Bertha Venation
(21,484 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Poor taste is poor taste, though, make no mistake.
Is that one of those fan football "We're Number One" hands?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)That "shock" foolishness only lasts so long; after a while you have to be able to hold a tune.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Here they are playing with Lindsey Stirling, who is awesome in her own right!
I've come to the realization that folks that say "the music died" or "music is dead" are just "out-of-touch" with any music scene-
JesterCS
(1,827 posts)I discovered her about 6 months ago. Fell in love with the music
snooper2
(30,151 posts)And what the fuck is up with electronic ignition, give me my points back! I know how to use 600 grit sandpaper and clean them!
And I used to have a Kenmore washer that worked for 60 years! The top was rusted through but it still spun!
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)but not the first. I don't care for whatever that is called (is that considered rap?) - I like it when singers sing. They are obviously all very talented - my preference is only about the style of the first video piece.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Check this
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enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Second one, not so much. I do not for one moment deny their talent, though! I'll definitely be sharing these with my friends.
Thanks!
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Lyrics that tell a story that makes sense to my ears and my heart. And that is what I listen to. No one can make me listen to anything else.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Kids !
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)I'll forward them to my son. Thank you kindly.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)They named six or eight acts that would appear. I had to say "who?' .
Lady Gaga was the only one I had ever heard of. And that was only
because I saw an article on her on 60 Minutes.
cali
(114,904 posts)there's a huge amount of great music being made out there.
From Neko Case's new CD
RC
(25,592 posts)Gotta distract us from the wars, poverty, filling for profit prisons with Jay walkers, this county is becoming.
That said, why was anyone watching in the first place?
That must be some itch, she can't stop scratching it.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)People ask me why did you quit touring (with a band) and become a Microsoft Engineer.?
I tell them: Believe it or not, Microsoft doesn't suck near as bad as Modern pop music.
...and I get to eat
Bertha Venation
(21,484 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...a while ?? I remember posting something to you (??)
Anyway, just saying that I hope things are going better for you.
madville
(7,410 posts)Interesting. I don't know what it was but I watched the 6 minute segment on Youtube, she's in good shape I guess.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)you are about 15 or 16 years too late declaring it.
Mainstream music is a bunch of fluffy crap that a bunch of pretentious, fuckwad 1%er music business executives think will sell.
I'd rather listen to a thousand garage bands than even one single mainstream band. Garage bands are the best.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)"Sick Again" -Led Zeppelin
From the window of your rented limousine, I saw your pretty blue eyes
One day soon you're gonna reach sixteen, Painted lady in the city of lies.
Seem to remember some sort of bump and grind from the lead singer, too......
Zepplin? Miley Cyrus??? errr ok.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)I am only pointing out it has been going on for a long time. Unless you are complaining specifically about a female performing simulated sex acts, and in that case you are a sexist pig.
TM99
(8,352 posts)as if they had cock & balls is hardly a simulated sex act. It is a confusing parody of one at best!
Debbie Harry, for example, knew how to be super sexy, feminine, and tough as nails. This brat is a wannabe pop star trying to shake a wholesome Disney image while riding the coat tails of her relatives' success in the music industry.
Nepotism & corporate pop music at its finest.
bigtree
(85,996 posts). . . he do this thing where he'd go to the edge of the stage and let the women grab him around there. I gotta say, it was awful for me to watch that. He wasn't the only one doing that at the concerts I attended, though . . .
trumad
(41,692 posts)I'm complaining shitty music.
I'd think my headline kind of gave that away.
Sheesh
n2doc
(47,953 posts)And good music in every decade. Typically the shitty stuff gets promoted more on TV.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)from a couple of sources, the song is about Plant's pity for the groupies who would follow them around attempting to grant them favors.
Whether those favors were ever accepted, I have no idea.
And the bumping and grinding...hell, he did that all the time.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)When Lori was 14 years old, she met a man who would change her life: Jimmy Page, guitarist of Led Zeppelin. Jimmy first spotted her when an associate of his showed Jimmy a picture of Lori. Jimmy was intrigued, and when Led Zeppelin stopped in Los Angeles on their 1972 tour, Jimmy immediately tried to get together with Lori. Even though Jimmy was dating groupie Pamela Des Barres at the time (back when she was known as Pamela Miller, aka Miss Pamela of the GTO's), Jimmy pursued Lori relentlessly. Lori has said she was still a virgin at the time and she was afraid of Jimmy at first. But Lori has contradicted herself by reportedly saying that she wasn't a virgin when she met Jimmy. Because of her groupie activities before she met Jimmy, it's more likely that she wasn't a virgin by the time she got together with him.
According to Lori, after Jimmy tried and failed several times to get together with her, Jimmy had Led Zeppelin's tour manager "kidnap" Lori and bring her back to the Continental Hyatt, the hotel where Led Zeppelin was staying. Lori was brought to Jimmy's room, where as she described in the Led Zeppelin book "Hammer Of The Gods": "It was dimly lit by candles...and Jimmy was just sitting there in a corner, wearing this hat slouched over his eyes and holding a cane. It was really mysterious and weird...He looked just like a gangster. It was magnificent."
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Wow...
Must scrub my brain...
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)themaguffin
(3,826 posts)Gemini Cat
(2,820 posts)To me most main stream music from about 1973 on was pretty rotten.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)nolabear
(41,963 posts)I don't know who she wants to love her, but she's a long way down the wrong road.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)If you had been tuned to AXS, instead of MTV, you would have heard Steve Vai's "The Story of Light" concert & you would know that the music didn't die.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)It's so annoying when lazy people complain about music when it really isn't that difficult to find, and "Little Stevie Vai" has been entertaining some of us since the 80's.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)I'm here to declare that everything is just fine. Music is alive and well. That is all.
The big finger thingies just might well be dead to the rest of us, though.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Late 60's and 70's music was great. It's 80's and early 90's music that I can't stand. That's when I switched to oldies. I returned to modern music over 15 years ago.
It's all subjective, but that's my opinion.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)I have four 11-14 year old nieces who were huge fans of Hannah Montana. Their parents are horrified at Mileys new super sexualized attempts to reinvent herself. While I understand this is Mileys attempt to boost her career and transition from being a Disney goody two shoes icon I can also see why so many parents are worried their kid (who does not have the fame and fortune to weather such antics) may be influenced to mimic Miley.
Personally think she's a mediocre talent who's only claim to fame is being born to famous parents. But maybe I'm just suffering a bad case of the Mondays....
B2G
(9,766 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Orrex
(63,212 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)She even keeps her clothes on
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)2nd not as good as the first, haven't listened to the third yet. But great voice, wonderful person, all that.
Miley? Well, I wouldn't throw her out of bed. Not sure about the rest.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)There is something cool about the way she doesn't give a fuck. That performance was so crazy you couldn't look away.
Hard to believe that was Hannah Montana twerking on Robin Thicke
Orrex
(63,212 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)Thicke is his son.
Orrex
(63,212 posts)Or in Beetlejuice's suit, anyway.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)live love laugh
(13,109 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Who watches that shit anyway?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)This is the day music was born!
Miley was great!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)themonster
(137 posts)It should be called the Karoke Porn Awards. The music is computer-generated crap. Whatever happened to playing an instrument?
calimary
(81,267 posts)Glad you're here -
Here's a band that plays all its own instruments and writes all its own stuff... (full disclosure - that's my kid on lead vocals/guitar!!!)
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)It's just not on MTV.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)A lot of people watch it but much worse things are done by a lot of people. MTV decides nothing. Popular music today has become nothing but sounds produced by a software metronome that changes pitch. Justin Timberlake apparently does not use Auto Tune but he is the exception to the rule. All one has to do is ask a professional studio musician who used to depend on studio work every day at 6, 10 and 2.
The virtual world has already sidelined most of their careers. I have nothing against technology or software. Only when it's used to replace the touch of human beings when it comes to craft and art. Someone has to touch the computer keys but that will never replace or surpass the touch of fingertips on a stringed instrument or the human breath on a woodwind.
JCMach1
(27,558 posts)MTV is rubbish... dead air.
eissa
(4,238 posts)Way to go ladies -- apparently you can't sing without simulating a sex-starved pole dancer. I'm quite certain one can sing AND keep their clothes on in the process. Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston and Bonnie Rait (among so many others) have proven that. Miley was simply vulgar. Fingering yourself in a transparent attempt to cover the fact that you have ZERO talent.
I wouldn't say that music is dead, though. Justin Timberlake was AMAZING. Singing, dancing, and playing instruments, that guy has talent all over the place. Bruno Mars is great, too. A real voice and a great artist.
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)They know how to perform, and subsequent generations of musicians will cite them as influences.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Seriously, theres a hell of a lot of great music right in our backyards, that record labels aren't paying attention to (which is probably a good thing). Check out this video by a young man in Tampa, Thomas Griggs. In a few days, he leaves to go study at Berklee.
And we have dozens of other fantastic musicians, songwriters, and bands in the Tampa Bay area. Probably similar scene in many other areas of the country.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)it does not mean all music is dead.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)They sure don't do that anymore.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)There is a lot of cookie-cutter pop crap, but most of that doesn't have staying power. But there are some good bands and some good signers. Of course it's not like the Rolling Stones or Nirvana or Led Zeppelin... Those bands are from a different era.
Just like in a few decades, music will be different again from what it is today. The previous generation can never understand the next generation's taste in music. And vice-versa. The youth today don't appreciate the music of the 60s and 70s.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)they can really play, and are very creative.
Pink and Adele are really very talented, and I like Regina Spektor a lot.
There's some great new stuff out there, but it very often gets buried under the mountain of corporate formulaic schlock.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Granted...there are some great artists today.
Love Pink... and Gwen...
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)there was anything remotely interesting....well, why is the camera on taylor swift the entire night? is she and timberlake having a thing? curious minds want to know