Alleged "New and Explosive'" NSA "Revelations" Supported by... Floor Plans

[michigandem58]

With The Guardian and Glenn Greenwald being exposed for their pompous and self-righteous coloring and fabrications about the NSA to try to bring down the legitimacy of the American government, the "Team" has found a new track. Now, they went to the German paper Der Spiegel, and had a new story penned by Laura Poitras, Greenwald's homegirl. In it, Poitras(and her co-writers, such as they are, lay out outlandish claims - supported, they say, by NSA documents given to them by the American fugitive under the protection of the totally non-spying Russia - about how the NSA is spying on EU and UN missions.

And they came armed with evidence, too. Here, in its entirety, is the evidence they presented for the ... ahem... story...

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/08/alleged-new-and-explosive-nsa.html

[Scuba]

1. Nothing to see here, just move along.

That it? There is no spying?

[sheshe2]

2. Seriously?

A floor plan!

I do those everyday at work. Oh nooos, does that mean I am spying???

[DisgustipatedinCA]

3. I think,those are called floor sets. Different things.

[pnwmom]

4. The article shows a floor plan.n/t

[sheshe2]

26. Correct!

A floor plan!

[mick063]

5. How embarrassing to the President,

to spend so much diplomatic energy and political capital.....for nothing!

How dumb, to spend countless hours demonizing Snowden....for nothing!

How crazy, to ground a diplomatic flight and encourage the detention of a journalist for nine hours.....for a trivial floor plan.

How totalitarian, to walk into the basement of a newspaper and destroy computers that reveal....nothing.

How unfocused, for the President to skip a personal meeting with Putin, at a time that cooperation over Syria is required, because of asylum granted to a whistleblower, that can reveal nothing of consequence.

How ill advised, to declare that there is nothing left to reveal, yet put so much stake into extraditing an apparently insignificant figure back to the United States to stand trial.

Bad Politics?

Bad diplomacy?

Or perhaps fear of what might be revealed.

[G_j]

31. indeed nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. we are still waiting for the feel of those tectonic plates shifting.....any day now I guess right?

[Whisp]

39. in 24 business hours. n /t

[VanillaRhapsody]

50. Can I hold you to that?

[VanillaRhapsody]

51. You wrote this at 2:03 last night...so I will give you the benefit of the doubt

and not your "business hours"

[mick063]

46. I can't control earthquakes

I can, for the moment, control my keyboard.

I will be relentless.


On a further note:

I take it you are simply declaring this manufactured drama by the administration to be terrible diplomacy and politics. As good of a call as any I suppose.

[cherokeeprogressive]

49. Keep trying kids... ProSense you're not.

Where is she BTW?

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. Busy I suppose

However....I am not Prosense and never proported to be. I have a mind of my own thank you very much!

[Luminous Animal]

6. I don't think this guy knows how to read because the article references far more

than floor plans.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-nsa-documents-show-how-the-us-spies-on-europe-and-the-un-a-918625.html

Bugging the EU

The espionage attack on the EU is not only a surprise for most European diplomats, who until now assumed that they maintained friendly ties to the US government. It is also remarkable because the NSA has rolled out the full repertoire of intelligence-gathering tools -- and has apparently been taking this approach for many years now. According to an operational overview from September 2010 that is rated "secret," not only have the Americans infiltrated the EU mission to the UN in New York, but also the EU embassy in Washington, giving the building in the heart of the American capital the code name "Magothy."

According to this secret document, the NSA has targeted the European missions in three ways:

- The embassies in Washington and New York are bugged.
- At the embassy in New York, the hard disks have also been copied.
- In Washington the agents have also tapped into the internal computer cable network.

The infiltration of both EU embassies gave the technicians from Fort Meade an invaluable advantage: It guaranteed the Americans continuous access, even if they temporarily lost contact with one of the systems -- due, for instance, to a technical update or because an EU administrator thought that he had discovered a virus.
The embassies are linked via a so-called virtual private network (VPN). "If we lose access to one site, we can immediately regain it by riding the VPN to the other side and punching a whole (sic!) out," the NSA technicians said during an internal presentation. "We have done this several times when we got locked out of Magothy."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-nsa-documents-show-how-the-us-spies-on-europe-and-the-un-a-918625.html

[Bjorn Against]

12. Shhh! You are supposed to close your eyes and pretend that part doesn't exist

If a right-wing blogger who despises the left and makes homophobic remarks tells us that the entire story is about a floor plan, then it must be just a floor plan because no right-wing blogger would never lie. Especially not a right-wing blogger who claims to be a liberal every time he bashes the left.

[Wilms]

15. Which guy are you referring to?

The one with an MLK avatar? BTW, dontchu know MLK was cool with being spied on. Why are you worried?

[railsback]

18. Um….

'According to this secret document….'

Secret document. So secret, it can't be revealed to the poor public because its sooooo secret… even though the public has right to know EVERYTHING.. except this, because its super secret, you serfs! You just have to take a flailing flying leap off the giant cliff and believe

AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa……….

OkieDoke, then.

[Luminous Animal]

20. The Guardian, Der Spiegal, and the Washington Post have all been clear...

They will not release any substantiating documents that would expose surveillance methods or operatives.

Snowden has also been clear that he didn't want to do this either. He didn't want to damage national security but to expose illegal activity. That is, he wanted the how protected but not the what.

[railsback]

21. Right. Well, they can easily stay within those self-imposed barriers

and actually show us that the NSA is really spying on EVERYONE, as they allege… instead of just insinuating possibilities.

Is this the new meme now? That they can't prove anything because it would expose surveillance methods and /or operatives? Of course, this would mean they condemn Manning's document dump. How exactly does that work?

[Luminous Animal]

22. Hey I am all for spilling it all. Every operative. Every method. Everything...

How about you?

[railsback]

23. If they had anything of substance, they would have spilled it already

The only thing they have left is exposing operatives. Let's see how low they're willing to go.

[joshcryer]

34. +1

I'd be for this, 100%.

But then, I don't have potential book deals in the works.

[Luminous Animal]

37. Actually, I'm not. I don't want to put human beings in danger...

I don't want the specific technology exposed.

By the way Barton Gellman of the Washington Post, a recipient of Snowden docs from which he's written two very good articles, also has a book deal.

[joshcryer]

40. I don't believe mass surveillance is necessary for protection.

I believe a good standard of living and free association are far better at making a good society than spying on everyone.

The worst thing to come from the release is that it purports to have stopped hundreds of attacks.

Except, well, erm, that means it's working, right? So let's see these supposed attacks and let's have details of each and every attempt. It didn't stop Boston from happening.

[Luminous Animal]

24. Actually, Manning or Assange never document dumped. And Snowden, it his 1st interview

acknowledges this FACT.

[joshcryer]

33. We can't even see the context for the claims?

The entire article seems to be linked to this Wikileaks cable. At the bare minimum I'd like to see a scan (radacated, if need be), of this.

I simply can't see how it would hurt.

[Luminous Animal]

38. The German press has been more conservative in publishing supporting docs...

perhaps you should contact Der Spiegal with your concerns.

[joshcryer]

43. Fair enough.

The initial slides that we got to see were uninspiring and the radacated bits seemed more interesting. It seems as if substantiative releases cannot be expected from here on... hope I'm wrong.

[treestar]

53. Why are they so lacking in transparency?

I thought the whole point was for us to know what the government does in our name?

Now this is getting silly.

[LondonReign2]

7. Moron blog, again?

Trash thread, trash OP

[shenmue]

8. Yes, let's just call people morons and trash.

This way you don't have to have any ideas.

[Luminous Animal]

25. You are right. I ignored the moron and now I am totally bereft of ideas.

[LondonReign2]

48. Should I also take ideas from Breitbart?

When people post from moron blogs--and not in a "Ha! Look what the moron's at Breitbart are saying", but in a "I support what the moron's at peoplesview are saying" sort of way, why should we waste time discussing them?

[Historic NY]

9. Floor plans, lets see how many sets were filed with the city...

from the planners to the building inspectors to the contractor and workman..with a bit of help on the right day you'd be able to get an original signed set from the designer.

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Why do I get the feeling people are pointing at you and laughing?

[JaneyVee]

11. How "progressive" of you.

[Cha]

13. That's what clowns do.

[PowerToThePeople]

47. Because it is true

Honestly, I am shocked this poster is still on the board. They spew RW BS regularly and all OPs are just flamebait.

I am trash-canning this worthless thread.

[Cha]

14. What Tools.. "Report: Snowden stayed at Russian consulate while in Hong Kong"

"MOSCOW — Before American fugitive Edward Snowden arrived in Moscow in June — an arrival that Russian officials have said caught them by surprise — he spent several days living at the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong, a Moscow newspaper reported Monday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/report-snowden-stayed-at-russian-consulate-while-in-hong-kong/2013/08/26/8237cf9a-0e39-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_story.html?hpid=z3

"The Plot Thickens on Edward Snowden's Sino-Russian Love Affair"

Before American fugitive Edward Snowden arrived in Moscow in June — an arrival that Russian officials have said caught them by surprise — he spent several days living at the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong, a Moscow newspaper reported Monday. [...]

Kommersant cited conflicting accounts as to what brought Snowden to the consulate, on the 21st floor of a skyscraper in a fashionable neighborhood. It quoted a Russian close to the Snowden case as saying that the former NSA contractor arrived on his own initiative and asked for help. But a Western official also interviewed by the newspaper alleged that Russia had invited him.

There's more..
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/08/the-plot-thickens-on-edward-snowdens.html

thanks michigandem

[Wilms]

16. I'm relieved.

Your post assures us the Constitution hasn't been stomped on despite the ACLU's assertion.

[Luminous Animal]

28. So now we trust Russian media? So confuzleding.

[sheshe2]

29. Good reporting Cha!

[Cha]

32. Hey she..

I saw the link in the comments section and then Spandan made it into an OP.

It is rather curious, don't you think? "Snowden stayed at the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong"? And, then he supposedly surprised Russia when he showed up there? Putin and snowden in collusion? Hmmm. Makes me wonder with all the other bullshit going on.. starting with Snowden's statement:

"These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations."

http://wikileaks.org/Statement-by-Edward-Snowden-to.html

[sheshe2]

36. Oh the bullshit factor is on overload!

He wets himself praising Russia for

my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations."

What a fucking hypocrite! Or the dumbest tool in the box, Cha!

Putin and Snowden in collusion~ this story has legs Cha. Guess what? It's at the starting line, there will be so much more to come! Stand by the finish line will be magnificent!

Run Snowed-in run!

[Cha]

44. Ironic.. because

Ellsberg recently called those who were questioning greenwald, "tools". So sad.

[reusrename]

17. That's the most Rovian projection I've ever seen in a single article.

Rove himself never went quite that far.

[railsback]

19. Can't wait to see what the NYTimes comes up with

especially since they're keeping Savage out of the mix. Undoubtably more circle jerking.

[grasswire]

27. why is this provocateur's blog still allowed on DU? nt

[Cha]

30. A blog to counteract Greenwald's bullshit.. how refreshing.

[Spider Jerusalem]

41. Desperate propaganda. Nice.

"Fabrications"? No. "Trying to bring down the legitimacy of the American government?" That doesn't even make any sense. And "floor plans"...of the server room of the EU mission to the United Nations (stamped "Top Secret/NOFORN", by the way.). Essential and necessary for any sort of black bag operation, if you have half a fucking clue about how espionage actually works.

[madrchsod]

42. i knew there was something funny about laura poitras

she was behind the phony bullshit a couple of weeks ago about greenie`s brazilian bullshit.

it`s amazing how many people think he`s a knight in shining armor

[B Calm]

45. K&R