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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 12:10 AM Aug 2013

Which of these is the actual problem with President Obama?

Please let me know if I should add other options, but I think I see three main narratives being told here:

1. He steered directly into the iceberg
2. He didn't pay attention to the iceberg
3. The ship turns very slowly


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PBO isn't actually a liberal/progressive but a champion of the 1%
5 (50%)
PBO doesn't fight sufficiently hard for normal people
0 (0%)
PBO is working within a system that allows for very little in the way of systemic change
5 (50%)
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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
1. The problem is REPUBLICAN obstruction
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 12:13 AM
Aug 2013

Sorry to say it but I think the poll up in the OP is one of the worst ones I've ever seen here.



Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
4. You can't blame it on the 'system' - the system allows for change
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 12:21 AM
Aug 2013

Ya vote all the Republicans OUT and elect Democrats - same 'system' but different players.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. I'm not voting in the poll, but I agree with Tx4 for once and have to say so
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 12:58 AM
Aug 2013

It serves the Republicans, who are to blame for oh so much of this bullshit, to skip using the word Republicans. It's not the system, which can and does work quickly when need be and profit calls and all. It's Republican obstructionism and a President who devoutly believes in being bipartisan with a Zombie opposition that is particularly bitey of late.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
8. I think Representative Democracy is designed for slow change.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:17 AM
Aug 2013

Recursion used "slow to turn" as their analogy for that option and I think it's largely true.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
5. To tell you the truth.....
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 12:25 AM
Aug 2013

I don't know.

But my "guess" is we've been duped by powers of persuasion whether emanating from BO or the political machine he is bound to. I read, and read, and read. Who can really answer the questions asked? No one here. But opinions are all across the board... and most of them count.

I'll keep reading till it's time to vote. If I find the liberal/progressive answers that will preserve democracy and the "everyman"... that's where I'll go... and I'll let you know.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
9. the problem is systemic. Anyone who is not committed to the neoliberal agenda is going to be taken
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:25 AM
Aug 2013

seriously as a candidate for President of the United States - it has been that way for more than the last 30 years.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
10. Got no overall problem w/him
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:25 AM
Aug 2013

Agree w/him on some stuff, disagree on others. Wasn't expecting total agreement. I'm not an ideologue and neither is he. I suspect that's the problem for a lot of folks on DU.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. Your last choice is utter bullshit
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:31 AM
Aug 2013

TARP: Proposed on Sept 19, 2008, enacted Oct 3, 2008

The system can "work" at damn near light speed when the interests of the stakeholders are threatened.

It's only the 99% who can't get any relief.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. And wrangled over for the next 3 years
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:50 AM
Aug 2013

That famous vote didn't even allocate the money, and it took years to actually implement.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
14. The die was cast quickly, big castings can take years to cool off if you don't want them to crack
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 03:02 AM
Aug 2013

TARP wasn't that big by today's standards but at the time it was a fair chunk of walking around money.

Sometimes I get nostalgic for those simpler days before we had a Democratic POTUS.



limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
12. I kind of agree with all the choices
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 02:34 AM
Aug 2013

Obama doesn't fight for people, when he does it's never enough, but even if he did it wouldn't matter much anyway.

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