Secretary of State Kerry is talking about hundreds of dead bodies turning cold right now.

[onehandle]

Colin Powell was holding up a vial and delivering a fantasy from Dick Cheney.

Big difference.



I'm not looking for war, but a number of DUers are basically comparing this speech/event to Powell's little Cheney act.

That is bullshit.

[leveymg]

1. So, the answer is to create thousands of more dead bodies? More greiving widows and orphans?

History will not be kind to us.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Just arm the rebels and hope that it is over soon.

We can't, and shouldn't, enter into another open war. The country is fekking weary of war, a continual crappy economy, the surveillance state, Wall Street crooks walking free, whistle blowers in jail or on the run and an administration that wants to rattle the saber again; and all the while the DoJ considers a blanket amnesty for BushCo.

We just Can't. Fekking. Win.

[KittyWampus]

9. Most reputable political analysts are talking about bombing hard targets.

So it most likely would not be thousands more dead bodies.

[warrant46]

10. Unless your house is next to "The Hard Target"

And your children happen to be playing in the street

[leveymg]

11. Oh, yes there will be hundreds or thousands of more dead bodies, especially

after the entire region goes Boom. This is really like bombing an oil refinery and being surprised at all the flames and smoke and dead bodies created.

[avaistheone1]

16. Yup.

Afraid so.

[n2doc]

2. And?

Your solution? Make more dead?


Why not just nuke the entire country, then there would be peace

[Autumn]

3. Dead bodies always turn cold.

[FSogol]

4. I don't understand the people on DU who want to pre-condemn John Kerry.

Kerry is far from being a warhawk. I expect the Obama WH to do the right thing (although I am not sure how it will all play out).

[leveymg]

5. The right thing to do would have been to wait until there is some real evidence of who did it before

organizing a war. The right thing for Kerry to have done is to have continued to fight against military action or resigned if he continues to oppose the use of force, not make THAT speech which is a call to arms.

[onehandle]

6. 'Kerry Cites Clear Evidence of Chemical Weapon Use in Syria'

'In the coming days, officials said, the nation’s intelligence agencies will disclose information to bolster their case that chemical weapons were used by Mr. Assad’s forces. The information could include so-called signals intelligence — intercepted radio or telephone calls between Syrian military commanders.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/world/middleeast/syria-assad.html


This is not 'Curveball' lying about unprovable neo-con fantasies. This is an active war crime on camera.

[leveymg]

8. They have a serious problem with declassification - if such evidence exists, it should have been

provided within 48 hours of the attack and before we started even talking about what sort of military action we were going to take.

But, the fact remains, there is evidence that both sides have used chemical weapons,and that leaves us with a moral dilemma in our possible response that will not be resolved even if there are signals intercepts.

[FSogol]

15. Talk isn't war. Why not save the outrage for when/if we go to war?

[leveymg]

18. Why did you wait until that train you saw coming hit the car to say something?

[JoePhilly]

12. Just another day on Knee-Jerk Underground

[cali]

13. I think the comparison comes at two points:

emotional manipulation and selective presentation of information.

That said, Powell presented false information and Kerry, afaik, has not.

[winter is coming]

19. The question is, who helped create those bodies? I can't shake the feeling that

the "lesson learned" from Iraq was to arrange for evidence rather than making it up out of whole cloth.

[Arctic Dave]

14. Oh, I thought he might have been talking about homelessness or

maybe hunger.

Yeah, fuck those ideas. We got to get our war porn on.

[blazeKing]

17. Lies are lies

And Kerry is lying. And he lied during his war vote on Iraq too. He lies easy so hes a good toady for the war machine.