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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy the FUCK should we in this country give a fuck what Syria does to it's own people
Because I for one don't care if (And this is a BIG IF) they gassed there own people. With all the problems we have in this country with killing of our own people I mean are we CRAZY!!!!.I'm equal opportunity on this one I opposed Bush war mongering and am opposing Obama's war mongering also.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)what the Germans do to their own people? Because I one don't care if (And this is a BIG IF) they gassed there own people.
Is it 1938 again already?
With all the problems we have in this country with killing of our own people I mean are we CRAZY!!!!
Really? Other than gun violence how many civil wars do we have going on?
David__77
(23,372 posts)By that measure, any US president is Hitler too. Jesus fucking Christ.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)The Hitler analogy was justified, and how do you make the jump that "any US president is Hitler too"? I don't recall any U.S. president gassing his own people, so your "measure" is seriously in need of calibration
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)More then the amount of people killed by the people who used that gas.
I do think it was the army but the jihadist.
Let Assad wipe them out, the less AQ in the world the better.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)You don't care how many children are gassed to death? Rwanda, no problem? The Holocaust, not our issue?
I'm not saying military intervention is the way to handle the Syrian situation, but proclaiming indifference to the massacre and gassing of civilians strikes me as inhumane.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)Indifference to suffering is noting to be proud of. The questions are what happened, and what actions, if any, would make things better in the future. There are decent arguments on both (or many?) sides about that, but "who cares if people are getting killed" isn't one of them.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)and renewed their appeal again after last week's gassing.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/940ad360-d4e7-11e2-9302-00144feab7de.html#axzz2dBxmIkYU
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/08/24/syrians-rally-against-assad-regime-and-protest-last-week-reported-chemical-attacks/cbPRouyFtBMwz1YPunDc6J/story.html
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)June 14:
The pledge of allegiance by Syrian Jabhat al Nusra Front chief Abou Mohamad al-Joulani to al-Qaeda leader Sheik Ayman al-Zawahri was coupled with an announcement by the al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq, the Islamic State of Iraq, that it would work with al Nusra as well.
Lebanese Sheik Omar Bakri, a Salafist who says states must be governed by Muslim religious law, says al-Qaeda has assisted al Nusra for some time.
"They provided them early on with technical, military and financial support , especially when it came to setting up networks of foreign jihadis who were brought into Syria," Bakri says. "There will certainly be greater coordination between the two groups."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/11/syria-al-qaeda-connection/2075323/
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)If they ain't American, they ain't shit.
(NOTE: The above statement contained hyperbole and sarcasm.
hyperbole - Definition [-pur-buh-lee] (n.) Obvious exaggeration
sarcasm - Definition [sahr-kaz-uhm] (n.) Scornful, ironic language)
David__77
(23,372 posts)He's even killing members of al Qaeda!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)And it has been reported from numerous independent sources.
So I guess that's the same thing? All the reports must be in on it.
David__77
(23,372 posts)It's time to stop supporting those terrorists. It's criminal and sickening.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)David__77
(23,372 posts)I think the US should step back from it entirely.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)And if that were true, what difference would it make.
The people want to chose their own government after decades of dictators.
Besides, the whole Al Qaeda boogieman has been over done. Time for Alawites dictators to move into history.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)One thing we should not do is rush headlong into a military "solution" to the problem.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)We can care and we can act, but that does NOT have to mean a war.
blm
(113,052 posts)This is NOT a rush to war based on cooked intel like Iraq. This has been an 8year ordeal of trying to NOT go to war in Syria unless it was a last resort.
Had more of you paid attention to the efforts that were taken over the course of the last 8 years to PREVENT war in Syria, specifically by Kerry, and then later by Obama and Biden, you wouldn't be mischaracterizing the current situation as warmongering.
You want these folks to pay attention? Too funny. They are too busy being outraged.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)8 year ordeal of trying to not go to war in Syria??? That's an outright LIE!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Welcome to my ignore, Big Dummy.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I saw the picture of the kids all laying next to each other, dead. You would have to be inhuman to not feel outrage and disgust at that befalling them. That said, my strong opinion is the USA should not get involved.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)punctuation division.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)BTW, you now have 17 internets.
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leftstreet
(36,107 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)OIL.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Jesus, what a disgusting post.
And thanks for Twitterizing DU.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)It's very unsatisfying to be a liberal sometimes. I'd like nothing better than to see Assad get his head erased. But I don't think we should be the ones doing it, because I think the cure would turn out to be worse than the original malady, as we've found out so many times in our nation's past.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)They were just Jews, right? And "the gays"? It was just war-mongering for the US to get involved in Europe's problems.
Note: I don't know whether we should get involved in Syria or not, but I do know that total isolationism isn't a good option.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)We didn't get involved because of what was happening to the Jews, Roma, gays or anyone else. We didn't get involved until Pearl Harbor was bombed.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)like, maybe we should have cared . . .
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)in my 52 years of living. Unfortunately.
leftstreet
(36,107 posts)Hello? Pearl Harbor
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)we had all learned something about our lack of intervention in that situation. Could we have saved lives if we bombed the railways heading toward the death camps? We'll never know.
exlrrp
(623 posts)In Vietnam.
Could we have won if we bombed the supply and staging areas in China?
We'll never know
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)The agony of Syria couldnt have been far from President Obamas mind one morning last April when he visited the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, a short ride across the National Mall from the White House, to announce a series of new policies aimed at arresting threats of genocide around the world.
Anti-Alawite rage has been documented in reports of executions and by the Sunni slogan about a cleansed post-war Syria, Christians to Beirut, Alawites to the grave!
We need to be doing everything we can to prevent and respond to these kinds of atrocities, because national sovereignty is never a license to slaughter your own people, he said to applause. He lamented a bitter truth too often, the world has failed to prevent the killing of innocents on a massive scale. And we are haunted by the atrocities that we did not stop and the lives we did not save.
Tens of thousands of Syrian civilians have died in the last year, and the pace quickens. The United States, United Nations, the Arab League and others have been ineffective in shielding civilians or penalizing their killers. Today, Washington is living with the bitter truth, surprisingly silent about the urgency of preventing or responding to mass atrocities.
A report last month by a former special adviser on Syria to the Obama administration underscores the stakes of the failure. Ambassador Frederic C. Hof found Syria hurtling towards full blown sectarian warfare. His report, commissioned by the Holocaust Museum, concludes: Left on its current trajectory, Syria is on the path to state failure and sustained sectarian violence, featuring mass atrocities and cleansing that could amount to genocide in some areas.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Gonna put you down for a "no"...
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)were born. Americans aren't exceptional. Get over it.
cali
(114,904 posts)don't care.
I find your post callous.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)At least, I assume we all are.
Some us may not be, bigdarryl.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts).... but not enough to kill a bunch of other people when I don't have any assurance that I am going to be able to get the people that did it, or stop them from doing it again.
I see many here as prisoners to their emotions, and willing to lash out, without a rational plan or strategy.
sheplifka
(1 post)We should care because we are all humans and should take an interest when our own kind are in trouble even if they are from another country.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)get the red out
(13,462 posts)But I don't care for the US dropping bombs on this situation either. I just don't see how bombs can create a positive outcome in this.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Shameful.
indepat
(20,899 posts)and internationally.
Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)I'm not sure Syria did it. It happened but I'm not convinced yet that the Syrian Govt. did it. So I am opposed going to war until there is actual proof the Syrian Govt. did it.
When the best evidence is the WH saying there's 'no evidence of any alternative' to Syrian govt. responsibility for chemical attack. That ain't good enough for me.
read more here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023543786
It's pretty sad to see you ask why we should care about the Syrian people, shameful actually.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)mainer
(12,022 posts)and a whole new bunch of reasons for Islamic militants to attack us, because no matter how carefully we do this, it will always end up being America's fault.
JI7
(89,248 posts)fujiyama
(15,185 posts)but I'm going to give you credit for being honest in your isolationist viewpoint. In fact, I actually respect it and am more inclined to agree at this point than I would have been years ago.
Assad isn't threatening the US and honestly unless his actions were a direct threat to our direct security, at this time in particular of economic instability and sequestration, I think unnecessary military actions should not be taken.
And if he's a threat to other nations in the region, they should take care of it. I thought Turkey has a capable military. Isn't that why we sell them so many arms? What about Saudi Arabia? They're one of the largest customers of our "defense" (war) industry. If Europe is so concerned, then France and Britain can once again act upon the "White Man's Burden" post colonial trip they're on.
And just in case anyone accuses me of being ignorant or callous, I've followed this mess from the beginning. My heart goes out to the suffering Syrians, but civil wars and revolutions are best fought organically. We're stretched incredibly thin globally and our budget is basically held hostage to psychos in congress. We're going to get caught in a country where the opposition is made of a myriad of different elements, some of whom are not very friendly to the West and are more inclined to set up a Wahhabiist Sharia state.
I don't want this country to be in the business of creating more theocracies. The Syrians must figure out their own path. What did we end up with in Libya? A dead ambassador. What about Afghanistan? Three thousand dead and two buildings leveled. Iraq? Well we killed several thousand, and now more a dying due to a low level civil war.
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)American Citizens? Those people lucky enough to be born here or financially well off enough to get here? And everyone else can go to hell?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)David__77
(23,372 posts)But I don't think the US should intervene on either side in that civil war. We certainly should not be paving the road to power for Osama's friends.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Why the hell should we have cared about Hitler killing the Jews in Germany? The world cannot let the use of chemical weapons stand.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:46 PM - Edit history (1)
I do not know what the best course of action is (I am reasonably sure us killing even more Syrians is NOT best) ... but, the world NEEDS to intervene.
David__77
(23,372 posts)Just curious.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... killing more Syrians is best ... hoping from the tone of my post folk understood my intention was to say NOT best.
Will edit, as I am horrified
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Because it is the right thing to do. That's why. How we give a fuck is another question, but indifference is CRAZY!!!
Do you walk on by when you see a kid being bullied, a woman raped, or anyone else in need?
Believe it or not, Syrians are humans too.
David__77
(23,372 posts)If it weren't for that, there wouldn't be those dead people from the attack by whoever (we don't know).
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)That is part of the reason I'm against going to war.
If you want to discuss peaceful ways of ending the conflict or ways of bringing comfort to the suffering there or promoting a liberal secular democracy I will wholeheartedly support it.
Raining down death upon the innocent and the guilty alike, making alliances of convenience that will just replace one dictator with another or lead to nonstop civil war and death?
No way in hell.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Because we're liberals.