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I am a believer in peace (Original Post) Harmony Blue Aug 2013 OP
Not Assad. But I'm sure those children who died were with you. closeupready Aug 2013 #1
Well they are with God and also with all the kids who died in the Shock and Awe bombing of Bagdad Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Aug 2013 #20
Do you really think anyone is against peace? DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #2
Based on some of the views expressed Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #9
Yes. I think that a lot of people are against peace. I think they're only willing to tolerate... JVS Aug 2013 #13
..... cali Aug 2013 #3
Thank you that was really good! Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #7
aw, you're welcome. it is lovely. cali Aug 2013 #8
Lets raise taxes on the wealthy and rebuild all that war has destroyed instead. eom Blanks Aug 2013 #4
Chimpanzees don't agree with you. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #5
Absolutely. But not peace at any cost Adrahil Aug 2013 #6
GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!! AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #10
Yeah, I'm always amazed at how many people fail to appreciate the good things that refraining from.. JVS Aug 2013 #11
And I'm always amazed how many people fail to appreciate ... jessie04 Aug 2013 #14
I'm amazed how quickly people go for that sociopathic murderer bullshit. JVS Aug 2013 #15
To quote my SOS john Kerry.. jessie04 Aug 2013 #17
It's an unpleasant truth... Adrahil Aug 2013 #19
I am trying to understand this viewpoint Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #18
it's a nice thing to hope for, but if this is about Syria, not opposing involvement doesn't = peace JI7 Aug 2013 #12
I believe that true evil exists in the world. bluedeathray Aug 2013 #21
I am. nt LWolf Aug 2013 #22
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Well they are with God and also with all the kids who died in the Shock and Awe bombing of Bagdad
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:00 PM
Aug 2013

and in Fallujah. Children always die in war. Did you know that?

Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #16)

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
9. Based on some of the views expressed
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 06:22 PM
Aug 2013

there are some that do not feel like war is a last resort but rather the primary way to resolve anything.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
13. Yes. I think that a lot of people are against peace. I think they're only willing to tolerate...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:52 PM
Aug 2013

peace if it means that other people do what they say. Right now over in Syria there are two sides fighting a civil war. Neither side is supportive of US interests in the area, yet people here who will never be in Syria and whose lives will not be effected by who wins the civil war are absolutely horrified at the prospect that one side will prevail over the other and clamor for violence to effect the outcome. If that isn't being against peace, what is?

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
5. Chimpanzees don't agree with you.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 05:18 PM
Aug 2013
Chimps Engage in 'War' for Turf

They fight wars. I think that kind of conflict evolved with us.

Historically, we have shown that peace is possible at times and places where groups of people were willing to compromise rather than fight, or where one side conquered the other (The Pax Romana or Roman peace existed because the killed anyone that disagreed).

From what I've seen Assad isn't willing to compromise but is more than willing to find peace through conquest of his own people.

So, being a good agnostic, I will just say that historically peace has been possible in the right circumstances of compromise, or after everyone on one side of both of the battlefield are dead.
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
6. Absolutely. But not peace at any cost
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 05:40 PM
Aug 2013

I'm not sure what I think about Syria right now, but there are things worth fighting for.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
11. Yeah, I'm always amazed at how many people fail to appreciate the good things that refraining from..
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:48 PM
Aug 2013

blowing people up does.

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
14. And I'm always amazed how many people fail to appreciate ...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:52 PM
Aug 2013

that there are times when sociopathic murders have to be stopped.

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
17. To quote my SOS john Kerry..
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:06 PM
Aug 2013

"Anyone who could claim that an attack of this staggering scale could be contrived or fabricated needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass. What is before us today is real, and it is compelling."

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
19. It's an unpleasant truth...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:42 PM
Aug 2013

... but there are those who will continue to inflict pain, suffering and death until stopped by one means or another.

Violence isn't always the answer. It's not even even usually the answer. But sometimes, it is necessary. That is simply the sad reality of the world today. I hope that someday it will not be so, but for now, it is.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
18. I am trying to understand this viewpoint
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:31 PM
Aug 2013

but it seems so different with what I have been taught and raised ever since a child. It is difficult for me to grapple with this very different worldview.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
12. it's a nice thing to hope for, but if this is about Syria, not opposing involvement doesn't = peace
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:50 PM
Aug 2013

and i question getting involved. totally opposed to anything like regime change.

but there will be no peace in syria with or without US getting involved. but there is a chance we could make it far worse.

bluedeathray

(511 posts)
21. I believe that true evil exists in the world.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:40 AM
Aug 2013

And that it must be dealt with by an ever-vigilant counter force. It is when believers in good do nothing that evil gains a foothold and expands into the world.

It's pervasive nature gives us the perverted, cruel, and corrupt leadership institutions of America today.

Peace is great. But pacifism can get you killed...

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