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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:23 PM Aug 2013

'Every Tree and Plant Died': Massive Toxic Spill Guts Alberta

'Every Tree and Plant Died': Massive Toxic Spill Guts Alberta
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/08/26/toxic-wastewater-spill-alberta-kills-dene-tha-landscape-150968

A toxic waste spill, the largest of its kind in North America, has destroyed a chunk of landscape in northern Alberta.

"The substance is the inky black colour of oil, and the treetops are brown," reported The Globe and Mail in a recent story. “Across a broad expanse of northern Alberta muskeg, the landscape is dead. It has been poisoned by a huge spill of 9.5 million litres of toxic waste from an oil and gas operation in northern Alberta, the third major leak in a region whose residents are now questioning whether enough is being done to maintain aging energy infrastructure."

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This leak is known as “produced water,” and it is water, laden with contaminants, that is piped off industrial developments in the Alberta Oil sands. ......
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'Every Tree and Plant Died': Massive Toxic Spill Guts Alberta (Original Post) Coyotl Aug 2013 OP
... CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #1
K&R. No Keystone pipeline, we don't want more of this. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2013 #2
This is really bad stuff Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #3
It's headed our way. Fast. :( Little Star Aug 2013 #4
How are climate deniers any worse than all the Democratic Leadership truedelphi Aug 2013 #5
Outright LIE to bash Obama. Coyotl Aug 2013 #12
When he was here on the West Coast, Spring 2013, he told truedelphi Aug 2013 #13
Probably ... wild accusations without backing them up with facts, .... Coyotl Aug 2013 #14
Newscasters saying what I am saying, and truedelphi Aug 2013 #25
Obama has been clear on his support for fracking NickB79 Aug 2013 #30
About a decade ago, was checking out Canadian farmland. The low price in Alberta was great. freshwest Aug 2013 #6
In his words, right above yours, Coyotl refutes the idea that truedelphi Aug 2013 #26
How sad... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #7
A horrific war against our planet and our lives. WCLinolVir Aug 2013 #8
K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #9
now there's at least one thousand words in the post Supersedeas Aug 2013 #24
so syria is not the only country using poisons on its own land dembotoz Aug 2013 #10
This makes me wonder, where does all the fracking water go? reformist2 Aug 2013 #11
No it is dumped nearby Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #17
Each single drilling operation takes a million gallons of fluid. truedelphi Aug 2013 #27
So they claim fracking doesn't pollute the water supply, but they just go dump the chemical water?! reformist2 Aug 2013 #29
But apparently it does add up quite nicely for the One Percent truedelphi Aug 2013 #34
This whole Tar Sands-Pipeline cluster*ck is an insane Planetary Rape Berlum Aug 2013 #15
The spill killed 103 acres of forest. MineralMan Aug 2013 #16
That gutted an integral part of the ecosystem in Alberta Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #18
It's a bad thing. Perspective is important, though. MineralMan Aug 2013 #19
I'm surprised that you trivialized this post AikidoSoul Aug 2013 #20
I am trivializing nothing. MineralMan Aug 2013 #22
Well shit, lets pump that through the middle of our country NightWatcher Aug 2013 #21
Was in Alberta for a vacation a few years ago......most beautiful area I'd seen in a long time..... a kennedy Aug 2013 #23
Keystone XL.......YaY! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #28
Thank "Progress": You can't make an omelet without killing all the trees and plants. leveymg Aug 2013 #31
Damn, there is so little press on this. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #32
There was a time when they only did this in developing countries malaise Aug 2013 #33

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
5. How are climate deniers any worse than all the Democratic Leadership
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:00 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Fracking Damage Deniers?

Obama is trying to sell us this shit by claiming it is part of "natural gas as clean energy" and all that hooey.

And at least Republicans don't run on an environmental platform.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
12. Outright LIE to bash Obama.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:25 AM
Aug 2013

Alert sent.

Why would you define Dems as "Fracking Damage Deniers?" Don't you read DU. We are Dems and we are down on fracking and no Dem I know denies fracking's problems. I guess you miss what happened in ND between the Dems and the Rs on this issue.

When you say Obama is a shit salesman you should be more explicit. Otherwise, we don't know what flavor, cones or sandwiches, etc!

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
13. When he was here on the West Coast, Spring 2013, he told
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 02:06 AM
Aug 2013

Reporters that he would probably be approving the Keystone XL Pipeline because otherwise poor people would have trouble paying their utility bills. San Francicco Chronicle carried the exact quote.

It is true that Hillary Clinton came out against the Keystone XL Pipeline, but she conveniently waited to be outraged about it

One ) After her own State Department asked to have it approved!

Two) After the 2010 election, the count for votes for the Keystone XL Pipeline was pretty much now in the hands of the majority in the House, who happened to be House Republicans - so at that point it was much safer, in terms of keeping her puppet masters' appeased, for her to say she was against it.

How do you explain the Obama Administration totally gutting the entire power and ability of the EPA in terms of studying the harm and risks caused by fracking?? Watch the movie Gaslands II and then get back to me.

This agency, the EPA, is only as good as its people are. When the agency sacked its director, Lisa Jackson, when the agency told its mid level people to back off on the needed studies of the fracking fluids, all this shows us who Obama is in terms of the environment. When this stuff happened, Bush had been gone for years. There is only so much that can be blamed on him.

And Democratic former Governor Ed Rendell, boy oh boy has he ever cashed in on fracking! First he got it approved inside of Pennsylvannia, no holds barred, and water table be damned, and now he is one of the top energy company people, for a Texas energy firm.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
14. Probably ... wild accusations without backing them up with facts, ....
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:24 AM
Aug 2013

I see which club you are in.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
30. Obama has been clear on his support for fracking
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:25 PM
Aug 2013

Under the auspices of it being "more environmentally friendly" than conventional means (despite evidence to the contrary):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/obama-fracking-support_n_3510651.html

Groups like the Sierra Club aren't buying it, but the oil and gas companies are. That tells me all I need to know.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. About a decade ago, was checking out Canadian farmland. The low price in Alberta was great.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:18 PM
Aug 2013
Prairie land the cheapest I'd seen, old farmsteads for sale as the owners had left and gone to the big city. This is a pattern I've seen IRL, too. Now I see why.

They must have sold the land and the rights as some American farmers did years ago, as shown in the movie, Gasland. This is what my farm would have turned into, a nightmare.

Development plans, zoning laws, who is buying what and why, water and mineral rights, none of that information was mentioned. The only way to know would be to go a local records office to see what was going on.

Great wealth, long term planning and scams. No new by any means; but fracking has changed the game. The land will not be worth anything to the people of the future.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
26. In his words, right above yours, Coyotl refutes the idea that
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 05:20 PM
Aug 2013

Gaslands is anything but rhetoric devised by those SOB's who hate Obama. Maybe you could clue him in - you've witnessed the economic damage that the fracking has done.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
11. This makes me wonder, where does all the fracking water go?
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:08 PM
Aug 2013

I think I've heard they collect it, but do they really???

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
27. Each single drilling operation takes a million gallons of fluid.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 05:22 PM
Aug 2013

There aren't enough trucks in the world to cart off the effluvia.

And if there were, where in the world would they dump it?

This is nothing more than the destruction of our eco system - the land, the water, the air.



reformist2

(9,841 posts)
29. So they claim fracking doesn't pollute the water supply, but they just go dump the chemical water?!
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:12 PM
Aug 2013

Something doesn't add up here! o_O

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
34. But apparently it does add up quite nicely for the One Percent
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 07:29 PM
Aug 2013

Who happen to control our entire government.

The EPA was doing ground breaking work, in terms of doing science that linked the "Fingerprint" of the molecular structure of the fluids that caused harm and could track it back to specific fracking formulas owned by each company. This type of research would have made it possiblr for harmed home and land owners to have grounds to sue.

Then suddenly Lisa Jackson, who headed the EPA was dismissed, and the mid level employees in charge of such scientific investigations were told to sit with their thumbs up their butts.

I guess Obama just had to follow the memo that the George Bush the IInd's energy crowd left him. No way around it - he can't make Republicans or energy companies unhappy.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
16. The spill killed 103 acres of forest.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:21 AM
Aug 2013
The pipeline, owned by Houston-based Apache Corp., is near Zama City, a northern Alberta town near the province’s border with the Northwest Territories. The spill covers 42 hectares, or 103 acres. Just as with the Cold Lake spill of bitumen, this wastewater leak may have begun back in the winter.
Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/08/26/toxic-wastewater-spill-alberta-kills-dene-tha-landscape-150968

Alberta, Canada is 255,541 sq mi in area. That is 163,546,240 acres. The spill killed 103 acres of forest. That is .0000063% of the area of Alberta.

Hardly a "gutting" of Alberta. The spill was bad, but it did not "gut" Alberta. Bad headline.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
19. It's a bad thing. Perspective is important, though.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:47 AM
Aug 2013

Farms also destroy ecosystems, and in far larger amounts. Perspective.

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
20. I'm surprised that you trivialized this post
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:08 PM
Aug 2013

This is just one of many thousands of poisoned areas of Canada. Think about how the wind carries the toxic plumes from this area for many miles. Petrochemical poisons. When people breathe the toxic plumes -- the neurotoxic chemicals go straight to the brain. There is no blood-brain barrier between the nose and the brain. That's why anesthesia is often delivered via that route. That's why many drugs are sniffed, because the rush is immediate.

Think of all the toxic brain injury in the world. Think of kids with learning disabilities. Think about memory loss, and many neurodegerative diseases that are becoming epidemic.

Yeah.... it's only one more site. But one by one by one by.....thousands. They all add up.

We should mourn this event... not trivialize it.

Oh yeah..... there's the toxic soil and the water table to consider too. Soil is mobile, and water travels in streams under the earth taking the toxicants long distances from the site of the spill.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
21. Well shit, lets pump that through the middle of our country
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:10 PM
Aug 2013

...with no benefit for us, just a huge downside when a spill happens.

a kennedy

(29,617 posts)
23. Was in Alberta for a vacation a few years ago......most beautiful area I'd seen in a long time.....
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 01:36 PM
Aug 2013

and this make my heart ache.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
31. Thank "Progress": You can't make an omelet without killing all the trees and plants.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:26 PM
Aug 2013

There are reasons they put off mining tar sand all those decades. This is one of them.

malaise

(268,711 posts)
33. There was a time when they only did this in developing countries
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:31 PM
Aug 2013

Now it's anywhere, anytime with little exposure

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