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The president does not (Original Post) SwampG8r Aug 2013 OP
That's a fact SwampG8r. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
i am not opposed SwampG8r Aug 2013 #5
How can you possibly put our Presidet in a tight spot. He needs room for the big chess. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #2
he is a constitutional scholar he SwampG8r Aug 2013 #8
Unfortunately, Presidents have been doing it for decades. progressoid Aug 2013 #3
and many dont remember SwampG8r Aug 2013 #16
Candidate Obama was a "constitutional scholar" n/t bobduca Aug 2013 #23
President Obama is a Nobel Peace Prize winner. progressoid Aug 2013 #24
It took a republican to go to china bobduca Aug 2013 #26
Why you have to bring up the NSA thing now? n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #29
Check out the War Powers Act of 1973... Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #4
so congress has SwampG8r Aug 2013 #9
Are you a member of Congress, especially the Speaer of the House or Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #20
They have been... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #21
I assume you missed the exchange with Carney today... PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #6
^^^^^**** THIS ***** ^^^^^^ pkdu Aug 2013 #10
high ranking govt SwampG8r Aug 2013 #13
The point is that Carney implied a Syrian Gov. use of chemical weapons constitutes an 'actual' PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #17
welll that must be the transparency we have been SwampG8r Aug 2013 #19
He should have been laughed out of the room. kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #22
yes he should have been laughed out of that room. truedelphi Aug 2013 #27
+1 n/t NealK Aug 2013 #30
They just like to pretend that he does...... daleanime Aug 2013 #7
when they all SwampG8r Aug 2013 #12
All they want is a fig leaf..... daleanime Aug 2013 #28
Congress has abdicated most of its Constitutional responsibilities vis a vis dawg Aug 2013 #11
if the rules arent SwampG8r Aug 2013 #14
You know this sound so familiar Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #15
does it? SwampG8r Aug 2013 #18
Hmmm. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #25

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
5. i am not opposed
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:54 PM
Aug 2013

to all war
some are necessary like ww2 was but I like to have actual evidence from believable sources
I like it when the people we are killing in one country are not the same ones we are arming in another

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
3. Unfortunately, Presidents have been doing it for decades.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:52 PM
Aug 2013

That whole constitution thingy isn't really paid attention to anymore.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
16. and many dont remember
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:06 AM
Aug 2013

what they said about the constitution before they swore to defend and protect it

progressoid

(49,978 posts)
24. President Obama is a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:20 AM
Aug 2013

Somehow I don't think either will be applicable in this case.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
26. It took a republican to go to china
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:25 AM
Aug 2013

a constitutional scholar to ignore the fourth ammendment,
and a nobel peace prize winner to start a new Middle Eastern war of choice!

NOTE: Up is down.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. Check out the War Powers Act of 1973...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:54 PM
Aug 2013

It was used by Carter to attempt to rescue the hostags, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama. It is a matter of law and Constitutional until the SCOTUS decides differently. The President in abasence of a declaration of war can comit U.S. forces to a conflict as long as he follows the rules for conslutling with Congress.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
20. Are you a member of Congress, especially the Speaer of the House or
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:14 AM
Aug 2013

President Pro tempore of the Senate. Those are name individuals.

(It should be noted that President Nixon vetoed this bill as an unconstitutional grab of the power of the Commander and Chief. It was passed over his Veto by Democrats in the House and Senate as a way to limit Executive power.)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1544

Each report submitted pursuant to section 1543 (a)(1) of this title shall be transmitted to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate on the same calendar day. Each report so transmitted shall be referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives and to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate for appropriate action. If, when the report is transmitted, the Congress has adjourned sine die or has adjourned for any period in excess of three calendar days, the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate, if they deem it advisable (or if petitioned by at least 30 percent of the membership of their respective Houses) shall jointly request the President to convene Congress in order that it may consider the report and take appropriate action pursuant to this section.


As its says below, "In the Absece of a decleaation of war."
or the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1544
(a) Written report; time of submission; circumstances necessitating submission; information reported
In the absence of a declaration of war, in any case in which United States Armed Forces are introduced—
(1) into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances;
(2) into the territory, airspace or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat, except for deployments which relate solely to supply, replacement, repair, or training of such forces; or
(3) in numbers which substantially enlarge United States Armed Forces equipped for combat already located in a foreign nation;
the President shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing, setting forth—
(A) the circumstances necessitating the introduction of United States Armed Forces;
(B) the constitutional and legislative authority under which such introduction took place; and
(C) the estimated scope and duration of the hostilities or involvement.
(b) Other information reported
The President shall provide such other information as the Congress may request in the fulfillment of its constitutional responsibilities with respect to committing the Nation to war and to the use of United States Armed Forces abroad.
(c) Periodic reports; semiannual requirement
Whenever United States Armed Forces are introduced into hostilities or into any situation described in subsection (a) of this section, the President shall, so long as such armed forces continue to be engaged in such hostilities or situation, report to the Congress periodically on the status of such hostilities or situation as well as on the scope and duration of such hostilities or situation, but in no event shall he report to the Congress less often than once every six months.
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pkdu

(3,977 posts)
10. ^^^^^**** THIS ***** ^^^^^^
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:01 AM
Aug 2013

Apparently no one watch the vid or did but didn't have the balls to rebutt.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
17. The point is that Carney implied a Syrian Gov. use of chemical weapons constitutes an 'actual'
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:07 AM
Aug 2013

threat to the US.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
22. He should have been laughed out of the room.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:18 AM
Aug 2013

That statement is on par with Rumsfeld's location for Iraq's WMDs : "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat. ...."

and maybe they're up your ass somewhat, Donald. Just poke around to the east, west, south and north and you can't miss.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
27. yes he should have been laughed out of that room.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:26 AM
Aug 2013

And I sure wish the vicissitudes of time had not removed Helen Thomas from her position in the WH Press room.

I betcha she would have made Jay Carney squirm.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
7. They just like to pretend that he does......
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:55 PM
Aug 2013

just like they pretend that corporations are people and cutting the top 1%s taxes creates jobs.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
11. Congress has abdicated most of its Constitutional responsibilities vis a vis
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 12:02 AM
Aug 2013

war powers. It's unfortunate, but it has been their policy for quite a long time now.

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