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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan we make futures speculation illegal? We see Wall Street again taking steps to crash our market
again. We see this happen with the "Housing Bubble" and the first crash in 2008 NOW we see the prices of oils going up and up because WALL STREET is again playing YET Again with our economy not even a FULL 4 years later.
NOW this article:
http://thinkprogress.org/report/koch-oil-speculation/
Honestly we need to gain some sort of control on WALL Street before we have a 1920s crash.
(humble opinion here.)
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)doc03
(35,362 posts)bhikkhu
(10,720 posts)Its always tempting to imagine some individual mind behind bubbles and price swings and so forth, but if you look at the history of the markets its more just the dynamics of an unregulated market. Group activity can cause boom and bust cycles without any individual intention.
Its worth noting that "our market" essentially is Wall Street, and crashing it isn't in anyone's interest, except for a few who would see that as benefiting the next election - but I don't think that's what is happening either. Its just a regular cycle, lacking sufficient regulation.
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(52,296 posts)what you can do is cut down on LEVERAGE, by simply increasing the margins or capital requirements that already exist on futures and comparable derivatives. done properly, it would still let people help set the price properly, yet limit the influence of those without an immediate supply or demand need for the underlying asset.
for example, the initial margin for a nymex futures contract for 1,000 barrels of light sweet crude oil is a mere $6,885. so you can control about $100,000 worth of oil merely by putting up $6,885. if they were to double this, people would be able to control half as much oil for the same margin. this drives speculators away but the hedgers are stuck and have to play (though they may not like it much). this way, the market power shifts toward the people with genuine supply/demand needs.
the futures markets exist for a reason, which is that the market for people with genuine supply/demand needs simply works better when others are able to reasonably participate. the trick is to constantly set the margins in a range that doesn't let the speculators run rampant, not squeezes them out entirely.
i would opine that a 14:1 leverage ratio is permits too much leverage and that the margins should be raised a fair amount from here, at least doubled.
Initech
(100,099 posts)Correct me if I'm wrong but I think St. Ronnie Raygun is the one who made it legal.
JNathanK
(185 posts)banned from Kos
(4,017 posts)It will NEVER be illegal and making it such is a stupid idea.
Initech
(100,099 posts)JNathanK
(185 posts)No means no!
PufPuf23
(8,813 posts)at minimum risk to the Planet. Humans are guests.
Futures in theory and principal are fine and stabilizing to markets.
In practice, futures are an insider and technocratic game that bleeds wealth and income upword from the People and local communities by the nature of the structure and ethic.