Asshole: Judge defends 30-day sentence for teacher who raped girl, 14

[cali]

He's saying it wasn't real rape, the fuckwad.



Faced with growing backlash, a Billings, Mont., judge who sentenced a man to 30 days for raping a 14-year-old girl is standing by his decision and comments that the girl was older than her "chronological age" when it came to sexual matters.

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Baugh told the newspaper Tuesday that he stood by his comments that Moralez was a troubled youth who was older than her age when it came to sexual matters. That didn't make Rambold's sex with Moralez any less of a crime, he said.

"Obviously, a 14-year-old can't consent. I think that people have in mind that this was some violent, forcible, horrible rape," Baugh said. "It was horrible enough as it is just given her age, but it wasn't this forcible beat-up rape."

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"I think what people are seeing is a sentence for rape of 30 days. Obviously on the face of it, if you look at it that way, it's crazy," Baugh said. "No wonder people are upset. I'd be upset, too, if that happened."

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http://www.freep.com/article/20130828/NEWS07/308280137/teacher-raped-teen-sentence-judge

[alsame]

1. So now it's not rape unless

the child/girl/woman is beaten???

[Wait Wut]

2. For anyone that doesn't click the link...

...she killed herself at 16 while case was pending.

I didn't need another heartbreak today, but there it is.

[enough]

3. A new category: "forcible beat-up rape." (nt)

[My Good Babushka]

4. Girls and black children are always seen as Machiavellian beyond their years-

By the justice system, but white guys are infantilized well into their thirties. Boys will be boys.

[seabeyond]

9. good point but correction. men are infantilized well beyond their 30's.

bush mess was in his forties and they blamed it on his youth. this man was 49. and lacks control or maturity to handle a 14 yr old.

[Iggo]

5. In other words, it wasn't a legitimate rape.

[Enthusiast]

6. Bingo! nt

[Jefferson23]

7. Incredible that he would make the false correlation that the victim was older

than her chronological age when it came to sexual matters!

Judge is clueless and misreading her history and how sexual abuse can manifest itself
in an underage individual.

Horrendous. Montana, get this idiot off the bench, ASAP!

[seabeyond]

10. i was thinking the same. if she felt to be "mature" in sexuality, one ought to check out her past.

her youth. what happened to her that created this.

[Jefferson23]

12. Exactly, and her history whatever her family environment consisted of, good, bad,

and or inappropriate boundaries, would have a clinical explanation for what this idiot judge
has now classified as "mature in sexuality". This was a horrific decision, he needs to go...it's
sickening.

[seabeyond]

13. her role as a continued victim, at the hands of grown men. nt

[Jefferson23]

15. Yes, and appears to have led directly to her suicide. n/t

[seabeyond]

17. yes. too many. too many of our girls are dying after abuses of this nature.

and too few are aware or recognize/acknowledge there is an issue.

[Jefferson23]

19. I'm afraid that is true, education remains necessary to educate the public and clearly,

as this case reveals, the judicial system as well.

[davidn3600]

20. Not trying to diminish anything, but if you are going to dive into the issue of teen suicide...

This is a big problem for boys too and that needs to be acknowledged.

Boys die from suicide about 4 times more than girls. Girls attempt suicide more than boys, but boys actually go through with it far more often. Boys are also less likely than girls to seek help for any serious mental health issues they are experiencing.

So its not just girls dying from lack of mental health resources.

[seabeyond]

21. yes, you absolutely are diminishing the issue of girls deaths whether you are trying to or not.

i am well aware of the issue with our boy suicide, and ability to kill self better than girls. i am also aware that they are not killing themselves for having their rape put on line thru social media for ridicule, disdain or just over all slut shaming for no apparent reason.

i am talking about something very specifically that is happening to our girls... you want to address teen suicide, or boy suicide, then fine. i am right there with you having had to deal with that issue raising two boys. but that is not what i am talking about now.

canada, connecticut, new jersey, calif, .... our girls our killing themselves with rapes put into social media, slut shaming ect....

that is what i am addressing.

show me the counter happening to our boys.

[davidn3600]

22. Girls and boys both deal with the issues of bullying through social media

Tyler Clementi, Nigel Hardy, Daniel Perry, Jamey Rodemeyer, Jamie Hubley, Phillip Parker, etc...

All these boys were relentless bullied until they killed themselves.

I'm sorry but cyber-bullying is not just happening to girls. Girls get a lot more press when it happens to them, so it seems like an epidemic. But it's happening to boys too.

[seabeyond]

24. ah, well, see, you did a damn good job dismissing the rape of girls to their deaths.

now, we can all just walk away. take no responsibility. look for no solutions.

[davidn3600]

30. I never dismissed it

I simply said that we need to pay attention to boys as well. And you got all mad.

It's also important to note that that many boys that do sexually assault girls are likely dealing with problems themselves and may need mental help. Helping them might prevent an attack on a girl.

And I would think this is something feminists would favor since the big new thing lately is to teach boys to stop raping girls instead of teaching girls to prevent rape. Well....fine. Let's get help to the boys.

[seabeyond]

31. so, now your concern has gone from the boys to the boys that rape. again. start your own thread

and cool, lack of empathy for a girl raped by a shriveled 50 yr old man and resorting to her death.

but, plenty of empathy for the rapists of these girls.

ya. i got ALL mad.

you have made your MRA self clear. welcome to du, a progressive board. rah... rapists.

[bettyellen]

28. how about starting a thread on it then- instead of derailing this conversation about rape?

[seabeyond]

32. his empathy sits with the boys that rape. they might feel bad you know. nt

[LadyHawkAZ]

14. Apparently older than *his* chronological age, too

since he's being portrayed as the less responsible party.

[Jefferson23]

16. I agree! Makes one ill just thinking about the twisted logic applied by the judge. n/t

[WI_DEM]

8. furthermore the girl killed herself at age 16 while the case was pending...

so she isn't even around to defend herself against this 'Judges' attack.

[HardTimes99]

11. Just out of curiosity, is this fuckwad judge a Republican? I can't imagine any

Democrat since at least the 1960s saying things so disgustingly repulsive and downright jaw-droppingly stupid.

[lpbk2713]

18. No amount of leniency should be allowed ...

to anyone in a position of authority over children, and yes this victim is a child. This would include teachers, law enforcement, or politicians on any level. This predator and his attorney make a mockery of the legal system and they probably had a good laugh when they got behind closed doors.

[Comrade Grumpy]

23. I don't think it's helpful to blur the distinction between statutory rape and forceable rape.

In the former, it is a crime because the person is under age, even if he or she consents.

In the latter, it is a crime of violence or threats of violence.

They are not the same thing.

[seabeyond]

25. it is a crime. that simple. rape a child, go to jail. nt

[shenmue]

26. Paging the Justice Department

What does it take to get the verdict overturned because of malfeasance?

[Ed Suspicious]

27. I know this. 14 years seems to be a vulnerable time in a girl's life. My daughter had a very rough

year that year. She got kind of messed up in the head over issues of sexuality and betrayal of trust of an older boy. She twice attempted to take her own life, thankfully unsuccessfully. Many people would have put her as older than her chronological age as well. I call bullshit to that very idea.

[redqueen]

29. Adolescence is when girls learn how much the world hates them.

They can internalize the misogyny, and join the 'winning team' so to speak, or they can be one of the increasing numbers of depressed or angry feminists we are seeing rise up and challenge this kind of patriarchal bullshit.

For more detail, check out Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls by Mary Pipher

[Ed Suspicious]

33. Thanks for the suggested reading. Was the suggestion directed toward me, my daughter, or both?

Girl poisoning from what I grokked from the book's description sounds horrible. The notion that girls would need to intentionally act less smart than they are just to fit into a what they feel is the version of woman that society accepts is tragic, but I have seen it play out some. She seems to be rebelling against that expected norm with wild hair color that she controls and a want of piercings and tattoos. She seems to have shaken the "play dumb" idea at this point, however. I'm totally happy with the rebellious self expression.

[Sunlei]

34. very sad. IMO with this Judges "attitude",she must have went through hell in pre-court

Who the heck knows how many pre trial meetings she had to endure with the defense lawyers and this Judge asking his questions. Maybe a tough home life? no family support. That can drive people to suicide.

[salin]

35. Jezzabel!

She is so weak she killed herself, yet as a jezzabel she was so powerful that she was primarily responsible for the actions of this poor adult man. Indeed his 30 day sentence is such a hardship in his life that it is comparable to the self-inflicted death of this Jezzabel.



This is the only mental state of the judge that I can conjure up to explain this sentence. Speechless. Rape culture supported/endorsed/confirmed.