So a huge mil contractor (Carlyle Group) provides the NSA data that proves we should bomb Syria?

[elehhhhna]

They own Booz Allen, who selects and employs the NSA's sys admins as contractors. What could possibly go wrong?

[Rex]

1. Ah those guys again! They were making trillion during the BFEE regime.

Defense contractors LOVE war!

[elehhhhna]

2. please rec this?

I never asked anyone to do so but I feel this is crucial information.

[Rex]

3. K&R!!!

I did not know they owned Booz Allen Hamilton! The PNAC crowd looks like they are going to get what they want the most - WAR.

[elehhhhna]

10. Thank you. Strange how our media isn't talking about Booz's ownership, much of which is foreign btw.

Sarkozys, etc.

[Rex]

12. Or how the NSA gave them a new contract for 900 million.

I mean, how can I take an agency seriously when they obviously do not have any hiring discipline? Hard to trust them when they go right back to 'business as usual'.

[elehhhhna]

39. Carlyle also owns the co that checks references for the US OFFC of PERSONNEL Management

We're pwned, as they used to say

[WillyT]

4. K & R !!!

[spanone]

5. it's so entrenched, broken and corrupt....

[RKP5637]

56. +++ 1,000 +++ n/t

[leftstreet]

6. DURec

[KamaAina]

7. Wait, what? The NSA provides the data that proves* we should bomb Syria?

One wonders if a certain Mr. Edward Snowden has any knowledge about this, especially given his present residence in Syria's chief ally.

[elehhhhna]

9. Yes. The intercepts the media talked about today. NSA.

[Maedhros]

20. ...which only prove that the Syrian Defense Minister was surprised and angry

after hearing of the chemical weapon attacks and was demanding answers from a subordinate.

No "proof" of anything.

[another_liberal]

25. Good point.

Thanks for noting that. It could be easily overlooked in the rush to accept this crap as "definite proof."

[elehhhhna]

40. I KNOW! That's proof of nothing.

The US PR Department really sucks if that's the best they can come up with.

[leveymg]

26. I heard that the original source of that intercept was the Israelis. Got a link? Thnx.

[elehhhhna]

41. Great. B/C they're a neutral party here.

[elehhhhna]

42. google it

[leveymg]

49. Here's the report in The Guardian - source was Israeli 8200 Intel Unit

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/28/israeli-intelligence-intercepted-syria-chemical-talk

Israeli intelligence 'intercepted Syrian regime talk about chemical attack'

Information passed to US by Israeli Defence Forces' 8200 unit, former official tells magazine

Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem and agencies
theguardian.com, Wednesday 28 August 2013 04.25 EDT


A team of United Nations inspectors have resumed their second day of investigations at the site of an alleged chemical weapons attack outside Damascus, as western leaders moved towards military action in response to the Syrian regime's reported use of chemical weapons against civilians.

The UN team left their Damascus hotel early on Wednesday after the operation was suspended on Tuesday following a sniper attack on its convoy on Monday.

The bulk of evidence proving the Assad regime's deployment of chemical weapons – which would provide legal grounds essential to justify any western military action – has been provided by Israeli military intelligence, the German magazine Focus has reported.

The 8200 unit of the Israeli Defence Forces, which specialises in electronic surveillance, intercepted a conversation between Syrian officials regarding the use of chemical weapons, an unnamed former Mossad official told Focus. The content of the conversation was relayed to the US, the ex-official said.

The 8200 unit collects and analyses electronic data, including wiretapped telephone calls and emails. It is the largest unit in the IDF.

Israel has invested in intelligence assets in Syria for decades, according to a senior government official. "We have an historic intelligence effort in the field, for obvious reasons," he said.

Israel and the US had a "close and co-operative relationship in the intelligence field", he added, but declined to comment specifically on the Focus report.

Senior Israeli security officials arrived in Washington on Monday to share the latest results of intelligence-gathering, and to review the Syrian crisis with national security adviser Susan Rice.

[elehhhhna]

51. Sure. The NSA isn't listening to Syria. And Israel is unbiased.

Thats' like the Hatfields narcing out the McCoys

[leveymg]

55. Exactly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Nothing

Ye of little faith...we must. Always trust the government implicitly. for those that will need it

[avaistheone1]

11. Get your war on folks!

Booz Allen and Carlyle Group are concerned about profits. Bombs away!!!

[HangOnKids]

19. Babies Being Tossed From Incubators!!!

Oh balls that was the last $$$$$$$$$$$$ deadly clusterfuck......Assad is gassing his own people. Check. I need to keep the DailyHorseShitPropagandaMemosStraight!

[avaistheone1]

21. Doesn't Apple have an app for that?

[HangOnKids]

24. Would that be the "Let's Suck Off A Rich Neo-Cons Cock & Kill People" app ?

[avaistheone1]

31. That be THE one!

Prepare thee self for war.

[L0oniX]

70. It's a game modification for Angry Birds ...it's called Angry Babies. n/t

[truedelphi]

101. And noen of the citizenry is supposed to remember any of this, or notice how

Very similar the lastest trumped up clusterfuck of "Intelligence leaks from Israeli intel shows that Assad's people really truly did Sarin attack."

[jeff47]

13. I eagerly await your unsubstantiated tying of current events to the Illuminati. (nt)

[Agschmid]

16. +1

I don't see a conspiracy with this.

[go west young man]

23. It's not a conspiracy.

They are doing it in broad daylight! The last time was such a success that they don't even feel the need to hide anymore.

[Agschmid]

47. I don't feel that they are.

But we will disagree on this.

[Hydra]

30. You weren't there for Bilderberg?

Kissinger was a hoot. He tried to steal David Petraeus' escort.

[JI7]

38. how about Skull and Bones

[elehhhhna]

43. google is your friend, Friendo.

IllumiWTF?

Out.

[TBF]

65. We don't have to look to CT for this one - the capitalism is front & center. nt

[jeff47]

75. Only if you don't realize the NSA has many contractors working for them. (nt)

[TBF]

80. Which has nothing to do with anything.

But your enthusiasm for war is noted.

[jeff47]

81. It pretty much demolishes this claim

This claim is Booz is controlling the NSA. That would be a risk if Booz was the only, or one of a few contractors.

The NSA has lots of contractors, just like the DoD has lots of contractors.

[TBF]

82. Booz Hamilton is very high on the list of contractors -

Consistently high on the list - most recently #16 with contracts in excess of $3B/year. B=Billion.

That's a lot of dough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_100_Contractors_of_the_U.S._federal_government

[jeff47]

84. Yes it is. But that still doesn't mean the NSA only listens to them. (nt)

[L0oniX]

71. You forgot the Reptilian Agenda and the approching Planet X. n/t

[malaise]

14. The new government

Sickening indeed

[MelungeonWoman]

15. We are ruled by criminals.

[medeak]

17. can you give more info?

links or such? Thanks

[berni_mccoy]

22. +1

[markpkessinger]

18. As I said on Facebook early this morning . . .

. . . Folks will have to forgive me if I don't want to see one more American man or woman die because some shareholder of the Carlyle Group has a hard-on for war.

[blm]

27. Same people who guided Snowden from CIA thru Dell and Booz Allen

Bush/Carlyle

[City Lights]

28. Something stinks!

[Whisp]

29. Hillary Clinton to speak to Carlyle Group investors

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/hillary-clinton-speech-carlyle-group-95763.html

Hillary Clinton to speak to Carlyle Group investors

Hillary Clinton is set to be the featured attraction at the private equity firm The Carlyle Group’s investor conference next month — the latest in a string of paid speeches the former secretary of state is making in the window she has to decide on a 2016 campaign.

Two sources familiar with the event confirmed Clinton’s attendance at the Sept. 9 event in Washington.

[Civilization2]

32. oh that is telling,. Booz Allen and Carlyle Group = corporate warmongers.

These are the evil banksters we are looking for.

Why would Hillary be speaking to them? How very odd..,

War is a racket.

[Whisp]

33. Why? I think it might be Bribery...

I don't believe Bill is really worth all that money for his wise words either. I mean, what a sweet easy and still legal way to get kick back for big and little favours.

[elehhhhna]

44. It's a Presidential audition/interview, imo.

[delrem]

57. Both. Big money in HRC's pocket, and if she delivers

she can expect big money for her campaign. A twofer.
Bill's speaking tours are incredibly revealing (and lucrative!) as well.

[L0oniX]

72. I will never vote for her. n/t

[CrispyQ]

85. Ditto. -nt

[hedda_foil]

83. But wait! Look at who else Hilary is speaking to.

From Whisp's Politico link above:

Clinton recently spoke at a conference for the private equity firm KKR, with co-founder Henry Kravis, a longtime Republican donor, acting as the moderator.
In such settings, Clinton has conducted question-and-answer sessions, as opposed to giving a canned address.
Clinton’s speaking fee is roughly $200,000, according to multiple reports.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/hillary-clinton-speech-carlyle-group-95763.html#ixzz2dN7Vvbpt

[avaistheone1]

86. Shameful.

She is selling out so early. I hope everyone is paying attention.

[Whisp]

87. Bribe money for work already done or for future projects?

both?

[Cryptoad]

34. Buses loading for Disney Land at

9:15 and 2:45 and 25 minutes tlll five!

[benld74]

35. Any links confirming the title line? jus saying

[elehhhhna]

45. google Carlyle holdings defense and then Carlyle Booz. Voila. Links infininity.

Read their own public info.

Boom.

[Roland99]

67. If you say the media is talking about, then there must be plenty of articles

google news

nothing there.

[Civilization2]

94. try searching; "carlyle group" clinton Why you search; "carlyle group" syria ???

https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22carlyle+group%22+clinton&oq=%22carlyle+group%22+clinton

[Roland99]

99. Uhh...because the OP says Syria and Carlyle Group. I'll quote it in case you missed it:

"So a huge mil contractor (Carlyle Group) provides the NSA data that proves we should bomb Syria?"

[Civilization2]

100. oh sorry,. thought you where looking for proof of "Hillary Clinton to speak to Carlyle" as above,.

must have lost the threading,. .

[bvar22]

37. DURec.

We need to find a way to tear this monster down before it kills us all.
Hyperbole?
I don't think so.

If EVIL exists in this World, it sits at the boardroom table at Carlyle Group.

[silvershadow]

46. So the Bush family decides whether or not we go to war, whether or not they are in office? Chilling.

nt

[elehhhhna]

50. don't know

and it's not just Carlyle sucking our taxes. They're just the most obvious, imo.

[HooptieWagon]

48. Eagerly awaiting the Personality Cult's talking points

in defense of Carlyle Group. This will be a hoot. Bonus points if they post a Moscow road map claiming it shows CW sites in Syria.

[elehhhhna]

54. they're already here. evidently they can't use google and read Carlyle's Annual Reports!

scroll up!

[jeff47]

76. Nah, we just realize that the NSA uses more than 1 contractor. (nt)

[kelliekat44]

52. PNAC's finest. nt

[orpupilofnature57]

53. The great business plot ,alive and well. but Alex Jones is Koo Koo .

[JDPriestly]

58. Carlyle Group and Booz Allen have a political agenda.

Surveillance should be extremely limited and what must happen should be managed and performed only by civil servants and neither by private contractors nor by political appointees.

Even the metadata is too revealing and too useful to be in the hands of political operators which is what nearly everyone interested in having or getting or finding the data from the surveillance that is supposedly on terrorists but that sweeps in all kinds of people is.

There is no way this program is compatible with democracy. I try to figure out how it could be done without seriously damaging our rights and our democracy, and I cannot think of any. I do not believe there can possibly be any.

It's either surveillance or democracy.

No one who would be interested in managing the surveillance program would be free from some political bias.

[elehhhhna]

59. they also sell intel to biz & other nations

Conflicts? NO!!! Trust them. WHY? BECAUSE.

[truedelphi]

60. Well if the Carlyle Group, a group trusted by the George W regime, says it -

It's gotta be true. Especially given the link provided by Israeli intelligence!

[elehhhhna]

62. Poppy owns a piece of CG

this is called self-dealing

[Enthusiast]

61. The nation is under the direction of the "far right".

That is just a fact.

[markpkessinger]

63. Booz-Allen's activities in the Middle East

From Booz Allen Hamilton's Wikipedia entry:

[font size=4]Activities in foreign countries[/font]

In June 2012 Booz Allen announced plans to expand its operations in North Africa and the Middle East, with initial plans to add operations in Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, United Arab Emirates. It planned to later to add operations to Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, during when those countries, as stated by Jill R. Aitoro of the Washington Business Journal, "recover from the turmoil associated with the Arab Spring.&quot 45) The Booz Allen employee base, when it was a part of Booz & Co., had long-term relationships with many North African and Middle Eastern countries; Booz Allen had split from Booz & Co.(45) David Sirota of Salon said that politicians in the United States who received financing from Booz Allen and "other firms with a similar multinational business model" have vested interests in "denigrating the democratic protest movements that challenge Mideast surveillance states that make those donors big money, too.&quot 43)

Booz Allen helped the Government of the United Arab Emirates create an equivalent of the National Security Agency for that country. According to David E. Sanger and Nicole Perlroth of The New York Times, "one Arab official familiar with the effort" said that "They are teaching everything. Data mining, Web surveillance, all sorts of digital intelligence collection.&quot 46) In 2013 Sanger and Perlroth said that the company "profits handsomely from its worldwide expansion".(46)
-----------------
43. Sirota, David. "How cash secretly rules surveillance policy." Salon. Tuesday June 18, 2013. Retrieved on June 27, 2013.

45. Aitoro, Jill R. "Booz Allen Hamilton expands overseas footprint." Washington Business Journal. June 8, 2012. Retrieved on July 27, 2013.

46. Sanger, David E. and Nicole Perlroth. "After Profits, Defense Contractor Faces the Pitfalls of Cybersecurity." The New York Times. June 15, 2013. Retrieved on June 27, 2013.

Hey, no conflict of interest at all, right?

Anybody still think this is about the use of chemical weapons? If so, can I interest you in a lovely old bridge?

[ancianita]

73. Thanks. Everything, including this thread, now makes more sense.

[Myrina]

90. ^^ This x 1,000 ^^

Thank you.

[cascadiance]

91. This country is too "Boozed up"!!! It needs an intervention!!! n/t

[bluedeathray]

64. You took the words right out of my...keyboard. nt

[Roland99]

66. Ok, so, where's the link to the article about this???

I can't find anything on news.google.com

[randome]

68. Who do you want to provide military intelligence? Boy Scout Troop #1712?

I would think anything provided by external agencies is looked upon the same way we see Wikipedia -it provides a reference point but is never 'proof' of anything.

I would hope that's the case.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[L0oniX]

69. G0d bless Ahmeddicca. Hey you rich muthafuckas ...send your own kids over there first!

So now the NSA is part of war contractor cabal? ...as well as being hooked up with the DEA. Fucking pigs running wild!

[jsr]

74. Corporate greed is what drives our foreign policy

Heck, corporate greed is what drives our government policy - anywhere.

[Berlum]

77. Sniff sniff...

suspect stuff

[niyad]

78. k and r

[DhhD]

79. Carlyle Group controls Governments and Presidents.

Many aspects of global control are backed through the global person-hood/corp/cartel.

http://prisonplanet.com/washingtons_power_elite_are_the_beneficiaries_of_war.html

W made president to move governments away from the Renewable Resources and Environmentalism; in other words, minding our own business here at home for the good of OUR people not for the rich. Hope Obama makes decisions in the best interest of Our people and not for the war machine of the the MIC global who want war in Syria. Mr. President, please spend the money here in America on jobs, education, infrastructures of many kinds.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/07/14/551678/-Bush-Administration-has-Never-Taken-the-Taliban-as-a-Serious-Threat-Title-changed#

http://www.communitycurrency.org/BushCrimeFamily.html

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html#.Uh9bbZK1ESg

http://www.angelfire.com/indie/pearly/htmls/bush-carlyle.html

[grahamhgreen]

88. HAHAHA. Cry.

[grantcart]

89. NSA is related to communicatiuons intercept. CIA is responsible for intelligence analysis.

[Cronus Protagonist]

92. Follow the money

This is as true as it ever was.

[orpupilofnature57]

95. +1000 !!!!

[99th_Monkey]

93. Has anyone seen an organizational chart or graph of the Beast?

showing all the tentacles of this NSA "public/private" beast?

I know Sanford is big too, regarding intel.

It would be very powerfully informative to have see such a chart.

Does anyone recall seeing this anywhere of late?

I know "Google is my friend" (or used to be, before they caved to NSA), and have
already given that a go and am coming up empty-handed, so I'm asking around.

[Civilization2]

96. Here is a good little video primer on the situation.

[indepat]

97. It warms the cockles of my heart knowing Bush-co would profit from war based on info provided

a thriving Bush-co enterprise: this is so surreal that you could not make this stuff up.

[felix_numinous]

98. That is rich,

pun intended.

[woo me with science]

102. kick

[AzDar]

103. War Pigs gotta get at that taxpayer-funded trough, don'tcha know?

Double, perhaps triple-dipping their murderous, lying snouts. You and I, though. are told there isn't enough left in the trough for Social Security or Medicare or HEAP, or the VA, or Schools. Some Animals are more equal than Others, I reckon, and War Pigs gotta War. Now..stop questioning the President. He only wants to keep us safe.