Oh, PLEASE help me smack this down...we might be able to nip this one in the bud...

[LaydeeBug]

This is from social media. Thus far, I've not said a word, but this is full of bullshit. If anyone feels like smacking down some rightie bullshit, I'd be much obliged.

Here it is:
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and Local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year.
Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has 9,631 .00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent Subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year.
Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc..

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same elementary school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches, while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Now, when they reach college age, Joe Legal's kids may not get into a State School and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State Schools through his taxes, while Jose Illegal's kids "go to the head of the class" because they are a minority.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?

VIA Larry Fontenot

[uriel1972]

1. Well let's just make 'Jose' legal and problem solved...nt

[Gravitycollapse]

2. 75% of undocumented immigrants pay payroll tax - Social Security Chief actuary

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html


Unfortunately, undocumented immigrants cost more in tax money than they contribute in tax money. However, that is the reality of most demographics...

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

[joshcryer]

4. That doesn't consider their 1-way contribution to Social Security.

All people in low income brackets get subsidized in one way or another.

No matter how you cut it though this is an argument for amnesty, not for deportation.

[joshcryer]

3. Except some 6 million illegal immigrants pay taxes on all levels.

Even more importantly, they pay Social Security taxes and are simply not eligible for benefits, subsidizing their hard earned labor with no long term benefit.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

All the factors, both up and down, of illegal immigrants in the United States are full reason to give those immigrants amnesty, as opposed to deporting them.

From the Wikipedia page:

Professor of Law Francine Lipman writes that the belief that illegal migrants are exploiting the US economy and that they cost more in services than they contribute to the economy is "undeniably false". Lipman asserts that "illegal immigrants actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services" and "contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs."

[LaydeeBug]

5. Thank you all so much for the helpful links. Contained in them was this little gem:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?ex=1270353600&en=78c87ac4641dc383&ei=5090&_r=0

I told them we need to tell the truth.


You are all awesome to help me. I hope I can return the favor one day.

[Downwinder]

6. I'll address the last one.

"Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same , but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay."

Both are renters, the property owner is paying property taxes out of the rent. Police and fire services are traditionally paid out of property tax and sales tax revenues. So, both are paying for the services.

[Turbineguy]

7. Joe Legal

sits in his mothers basement sending out this crap. Joe Illegal gets up at 4 am to work at stoop labor jobs in the fields.

[Turborama]

8. Where is this and what arguments have you put forward against it?

You should post the link so DUers can confront it head on.

[LaydeeBug]

11. See post number 5

and no, I am not linking to it on FB. It's making the rounds.

Promise.

[treestar]

9. Undocumented aliens are not eligible for any of those things

Right wingers insist on it, but it would be a fraud, and it's not like every single undocumented alien commits this kind of fraud. That makes it sound like they can just sign up for medicaid, food stamps, etc.

They don't have social security numbers or driver's licenses without forgery.

If it's so great, why don't the right wingers just pretend to be illegally in the country?

[hobbit709]

10. Trying to tell people that spout this the facts is like trying to teach a pig to sing.

[LaydeeBug]

12. I've smacked this down three separate times this morning...THANK YOU

Oh, they are squirming.