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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:24 AM Aug 2013

Snowden impersonated NSA officials, sources say

Snowden impersonated NSA officials, sources say

By Richard Esposito, Matthew Cole and Robert Windrem
NBC News

Edward Snowden accessed some secret national security documents by assuming the electronic identities of top NSA officials, said intelligence sources.

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Snowden was a Honolulu-based employee of Booz Allen Hamilton, an NSA contractor. His job gave him system administrator privileges on the NSA’s intranet, NSAnet. He reportedly used his privileges to download 20,000 documents.

The NSA still doesn’t know exactly what Snowden took. But its forensic investigation has included trying to figure out which higher level officials Snowden impersonated online to access the most sensitive documents...According to one intelligence official, the NSA is restricting its research to a much smaller group of individuals with access to sensitive documents. Investigators are looking for discrepancies between the real world actions of an NSA employee and the online activities linked to that person’s computer user profile. For example, if an employee was on vacation while the on-line version of the employee was downloading a classified document, it might indicate that someone assumed the employee’s identity.

The NSA has already identified several instances where Snowden borrowed someone else’s user profile to access documents, said the official

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http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/29/20234171-snowden-impersonated-nsa-officials-sources-say


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Snowden impersonated NSA officials, sources say (Original Post) ProSense Aug 2013 OP
It's NOT about Snowden and his lying and stealing and treason and stupidity and utter uponit7771 Aug 2013 #1
And that's the risk with sys admins access capabilities. MineralMan Aug 2013 #2
But this means that they probably weren't using good two-factor authentication FarCenter Aug 2013 #15
Actually, I'm sure they were, for sensitive, compartmented MineralMan Aug 2013 #19
I think that it is somewhat worse than that FarCenter Aug 2013 #23
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Aug 2013 #3
These are pieces to a puzzle. ProSense Aug 2013 #5
Isn't that special? BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #4
NSA security pretty much sucks. GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #6
What has been unveiled is another DC money making scheme more than anything else, imo BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #7
yep grasswire Aug 2013 #27
But I thought Snowy was a SUPER HACKER! snooper2 Aug 2013 #8
If the NSA can't protect itself against obvious stuff MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #9
I'm actually reminded a little bit of how Charles Dickens portrayed govt bureaucracies- KittyWampus Aug 2013 #11
Agreed. So why is the NSA administration still in place, MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #13
irs= low hanging fruit. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #17
If it's that easy maybe the problem wasn't primarily Snowden. LOL! KittyWampus Aug 2013 #10
I'm still wondering how that loser got to work for the CIA and NSA Rex Aug 2013 #30
someone posited he was caught hacking govt. computers and they "recruited" him. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #34
LOL! +1 Segami Aug 2013 #31
The NSA is incompetent and unable to protect the data it collects. dawg Aug 2013 #12
Sounds about right to me. LisaL Aug 2013 #14
They were unable to protect their internal office documents. randome Aug 2013 #18
And you think they would protect *our* data better than their own? dawg Aug 2013 #20
If Snowden had shown us one private email from a public official, this debate would be over. randome Aug 2013 #21
So you'll shut up if he does? dawg Aug 2013 #22
And you believe what the NSA is saying, why? hobbit709 Aug 2013 #16
LOL at you only cutting out the second paragraph. I wonder what that paragraph says. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #24
The "art" of the propagandist whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #42
I see you are back from your holiday and ready to throw out cherry Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #25
No, you can tell she is still on vacation. DesMoinesDem Aug 2013 #37
Congress isn't in session zipplewrath Aug 2013 #38
Sounds like they are guessing... dkf Aug 2013 #26
Borrowed? Is that another way of saying 'he stole their identity'? Rex Aug 2013 #28
Isn't he amazing? I guess I'm supposed to feel like he is a weasel or whatever but I'm only more dkf Aug 2013 #32
Yes I think I need to change my tune too. He is evidently NOT a loser Rex Aug 2013 #33
Trying to make him seem small and inadequate only makes them look worse. dkf Aug 2013 #35
Who'd hire him? jmowreader Aug 2013 #43
It doesn't take much talent to steal someone's password. randome Aug 2013 #40
I think he had help. Rex Aug 2013 #41
Oh they can trace it... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #29
. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #39
The system sucks. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #36
Umm.. yeah... "su -" is such a poorly understood command (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #44
Thereby proving the agency incompetent and unworthy of further support. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #45

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
1. It's NOT about Snowden and his lying and stealing and treason and stupidity and utter
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:27 AM
Aug 2013

... naivete in regards to GreenWald.

Cause you know, there's no other way Obama couldv'e started this conversation about over reach other than starting the conversation about over reach.

SnowGlen = hero dammit!! /sarcasm <---cause this is needed around here

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
2. And that's the risk with sys admins access capabilities.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:28 AM
Aug 2013

Snowden, apparently, deliberately did this. He didn't just "happen on" the documents he illegally copied and distributed.

I still doubt that he had the full access of those people to compartmented information.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
15. But this means that they probably weren't using good two-factor authentication
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:28 AM
Aug 2013

Inexcusable to not use good hardware cryptographic tokens for authentication.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
19. Actually, I'm sure they were, for sensitive, compartmented
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:33 AM
Aug 2013

material. The authentication may not have been required for access to things like briefing presentations, etc., which are all we've seen from Snowden so far. Biometrics are probably also involved these days for compartmented materials. The technology exists, and the NSA is about the technology in a serious way. Iris scans, most likely, or at least fingerprint scans.

Snowden's access would probably only have allowed him to get into stuff that only required general access. That's my take on it, anyhow. If more sensitive information had been available to him, I think we would have seen something at that level already.

I don't know, but given how the NSA worked when I was there, way back in the 60s, access was tightly controlled on several levels, and it was almost impossible for you to have access to anything you weren't specifically cleared for. I can't imagine that it's less well controlled now.

Briefing documents weren't at a very high level, really.

Here's an NSA document on the use of biometric authentication. They do a lot of work in that area and provide information to others on such subjects:

http://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/factsheets/I73-009R-007.pdf

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
23. I think that it is somewhat worse than that
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:52 AM
Aug 2013

For example, there appear to have been a very large number of people with access to the network that Manning harvested the documents from.

I also worked at a large organization, and I was somewhat amazed at the type and amount of information that I could access via the internal search engine. I was not a sys admin.

It appears that too much information now resides in networks with widespread access, poor compartmentalization, poor access controls, and inadequate logging.

If an organization doesn't want all employees to know that it is opening a location in country X, then it shouldn't put a management briefing with real estate transactions by country on a server that is crawled by the organization's search engine.

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
7. What has been unveiled is another DC money making scheme more than anything else, imo
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:17 AM
Aug 2013

A Mark Leibovich "This Town" gravy train special. Quality of outcomes is a distant afterthought.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. If the NSA can't protect itself against obvious stuff
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:22 AM
Aug 2013

Then why should we trust them with anything whatsoever?

This whole thing is astonishing.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
11. I'm actually reminded a little bit of how Charles Dickens portrayed govt bureaucracies-
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:24 AM
Aug 2013

with a pinch of Kafka thrown in.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
13. Agreed. So why is the NSA administration still in place,
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:27 AM
Aug 2013

while the IRS head was fired in days for something he had zero to do with?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. I'm still wondering how that loser got to work for the CIA and NSA
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:55 PM
Aug 2013

with just a high school diploma. He just doesn't pass the smell test.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
34. someone posited he was caught hacking govt. computers and they "recruited" him.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:13 PM
Aug 2013

Just pure conjecture.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
12. The NSA is incompetent and unable to protect the data it collects.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:26 AM
Aug 2013

Is that the point you were trying to make? Because that is the point you made.

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
14. Sounds about right to me.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:28 AM
Aug 2013

They collect a huge amount of information on private citizens, and can not protect this information.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. They were unable to protect their internal office documents.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:32 AM
Aug 2013

But apparently the personal data is well protected or else Snowden would have proof of his claims.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
21. If Snowden had shown us one private email from a public official, this debate would be over.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:39 AM
Aug 2013

No government agency -no corporation, for that matter- is one hundred percent secure. But if no one can get at the personal data, that's pretty strong evidence that it's well protected.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
24. LOL at you only cutting out the second paragraph. I wonder what that paragraph says.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:26 PM
Aug 2013

Oh, here it is

“Every day, they are learning how brilliant Snowden was,” said a former U.S. official with knowledge of the case. “This is why you don’t hire brilliant people for jobs like this. You hire smart people. Brilliant people get you in trouble.”


I wonder why you didn't include that paragraph.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
25. I see you are back from your holiday and ready to throw out cherry
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:41 PM
Aug 2013

picked portions of articles once again. Welcome back! It was quiet without you.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
37. No, you can tell she is still on vacation.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:52 PM
Aug 2013

She has thrown up a few threads this week but isn't responding to the comments. When she is on the clock she responds to all the comments and always has to have the last word

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
26. Sounds like they are guessing...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:49 PM
Aug 2013

They assume because the official was on vacation and someone accessed during that time that it was Snowden.

Funny.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
28. Borrowed? Is that another way of saying 'he stole their identity'?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:52 PM
Aug 2013

Why is this supposed nobody with a high school diploma, working at key positions in the CIA and then the NSA and also seems to have spy abilities we only see in the movies?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
32. Isn't he amazing? I guess I'm supposed to feel like he is a weasel or whatever but I'm only more
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:10 PM
Aug 2013

And more Impressed.


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. Yes I think I need to change my tune too. He is evidently NOT a loser
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:12 PM
Aug 2013

and more like Jason Bourne, without the sniper skills. Or maybe WITH the sniper skills...seems nobody knows anything about him, except for the fact that he completely made the NSA look like the Keystone cops!

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
35. Trying to make him seem small and inadequate only makes them look worse.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:18 PM
Aug 2013

In a way I am a little nervous to have him in Russia. He really should be here, free and doing something that utilizes his talents. It's a waste.

jmowreader

(50,529 posts)
43. Who'd hire him?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:05 AM
Aug 2013

Snowden is the guy who'd come in early on his second day, copy your Rolodex and price list, then quit and open a company doing what you do for ten percent less than you do it for.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
40. It doesn't take much talent to steal someone's password.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 03:02 PM
Aug 2013

I still don't see evidence that Snowden was all that talented. He apparently didn't even understand what a secure FTP server was.

I think he got as far as he did because he came across as a demure 'good guy' and people gave him too much the benefit of a doubt.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
29. Oh they can trace it...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:54 PM
Aug 2013

role based access....then they just proved Snowboy is a liar! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
36. The system sucks.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:18 PM
Aug 2013

National security should not be outsourced particularly to private entities with such lax security standards. He should never have been able to access the data so freely and fraudulently. That doesn't bode well for him or the country.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
45. Thereby proving the agency incompetent and unworthy of further support.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:16 AM
Aug 2013

Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

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