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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFive years of Palin. On this day in 2008 John McCain went all "mavericky" and ...
decided that a Republican with breasts (insert Rush Limbaugh joke here) would increase his chances of being the President of the United States from "WAY less than zero" to "STILL less than zero". Yes, America's favorite airplane crasher headed to the meth capitol of Alaska after realizing that a dangerously stupid twit, who nonetheless could wink her ass off, was just what the doctor ordered.
Thanks, Grandpa. For your comprehensive shit-canning of the Republican brand, turning your party into a joke while simultaneously scaring the piss out of every voter with a functioning cerebral cortex, all Americans owe you a debt that can never be repaid!
Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)She is an insult to every woman!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Click on this
http://www.sarahpalin.com/
Buns_of_Fire
(17,173 posts)spanone
(135,805 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)He's so proud of himself, and she thinks she is somebody. WOW
spanone
(135,805 posts)can you imagine if these clowns were driving the bus?
madokie
(51,076 posts)We dodged a bullet the last two presidential elections. Thats one of the reasons I can't give O man any shit. It could be a lot worse.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)malaise
(268,846 posts)like Katrina hitting NOLA.
TeamPooka
(24,216 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Without Sarah Palin's stupid and meteoric rise, none of us would ever have seen this:
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)You say that McCain's choice moved his chances from "WAY less than zero" to "STILL less than zero". The fact is that, coming out of the Republican convention, McCain -- that is to say, the ticket of McCain-PALIN -- was ahead in the polls.
I do agree with you that McCain's choice was good for us. The Republicans had been looking forward to attacking Obama as too inexperienced (the same general idea as Clinton's ad about the 3:00 a.m. phone call). The Palin pick devastated that argument. Her proving herself to be stupid, or at the very least not ready for prime time, was then an additional gift.
What I keep wondering is what would have happened if McCain had had the guts to pick Lieberman. The base would have gone ballistic, but many of them would have grudgingly come around to voting for McCain anyway, as the lesser evil. Being willing to walk the walk of bipartisanship, and signaling a clear break from the unpopular Bush administration by picking someone from the other party, would have given McCain a powerful appeal to the swing voters.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)a Lieberman pick. I'm betting their analysis told them it wouldnt pick up McCain any votes. It would have been easy to pigeonhole McCain/Lieberman as two ancient conservative white guys. Lieberman was a Democrat once, but he even became an independent so even the idea of reaching across the aisle to pick a running mate wasnt really there.
Lieberman's speeches were very boring. I dont think the Lieberman pick creates any momentum or excitement at all. If any was initially generated, Liebermans first two speeches would kill it.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)How much polling did the GOP do about possible running mates? You'd think something would have leaked about it. Anyway, polling before the convention wouldn't have been very informative. It would have left out factors like how each running mate performed in the campaign (Lieberman's boring speeches, etc.).
I don't give much weight to the question of excitement from Lieberman's speeches. Millions of swing voters would never hear more than an occasional sound bite. The major factors that could have boosted the McCain-Lieberman ticket were:
* The bipartisanship thing. You can say that Lieberman was technically an independent -- I think he listed himself in the Senate as Independent Democrat -- but he caucused with the Democrats. More to the point, he was the Democratic nominee in 2000. Many voters, especially low-information voters, have this woolly-minded notion that all Washington needs is to ditch the vicious partisans in favor of statesmen who will reach across the aisle to Get Things Done. (Exactly what "things" is left unclear.) Boring speeches or no, they would have been impressed that the Republican candidate had picked a nominee for VP who, not long ago, was the Democratic nominee for VP. They would have seen McCain as going beyond the usual mere lip service to bipartisanship.
* Dealing with the Bush problem. Few people wanted a Bush third term. The Obama campaign emphasized "change" because of that factor. McCain tried to counter with his "team of mavericks" slogan, but Palin didn't really help with that. She was a "maverick" only through personal feuds with other Republicans in Alaska. On policy, she was to the right of Bush. By contrast, Lieberman would represent a real departure from Bush. DUers might not want to hear this, but Lieberman was well to the left of Bush on many issues. McCain could plausibly point to his choice of Lieberman as a concrete demonstration that he, too, was a candidate of change.
* Preserving the experience argument. A McCain-Lieberman ticket would have been well positioned to argue that Obama was too inexperienced to be made President just yet. My understanding is that, pre-Palin, the Republicans had seen this argument as one of their big guns in the general election. We DUers tend to be more ideological, and we'd give the Presidency to a first-term Democratic member of the City Council in preference to Dick Cheney, but the experience thing does resonate with many swing voters. The Palin pick took that argument away. A Lieberman pick would have strengthened it.
Of course, the base would have gone ballistic. The "lesser evil" argument would not have been enough to keep all of them in the boat. Many who had enthusiasm for McCain-Palin, and would have grudgingly voted for McCain-Huckabee or McCain-Romney, would have drawn the line at McCain-Babykiller (which is how many of them would have seen Lieberman, a supporter of reproductive rights). Those defections would have been a definite negative for the ticket.
struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Yes, I feel so much better now...
struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)with a gravelly gravitas voice, Palin's turkey-beheading video and McCain's Beach Boys impression are certain to excite GOP primary voters!
Raine
(30,540 posts)of us who just won't GO AWAY!