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What is the UN take on attacking Syria? (Original Post) OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 OP
The UN is good for issuing reports and wringing hands and making speeches. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #1
Right, which is why I figured they'd call for a Security Council meeting OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #4
The US would just veto nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #6
OK, so if the UN is pointless, let's just disband it OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #7
It serves the pretense of international decision-making. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #14
The UN's core, indeed possibly sole, role is to prevent great-power warfare Posteritatis Aug 2013 #10
Couldn't Russia or China use it as a springboard to propose a peaceful settlement OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #11
I am ... exceedingly unsure how deploying Russian troops to Syria would bring peace. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #13
Assad is Putin's dog. He goes to the kennel when master pulls the leash, nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15
The UN doesn't do anything that Putin, the Chinese and Obama couldn't geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16
the UN is made up of multiple nations JI7 Aug 2013 #2
They generally hold votes and reach some sort of consensus OmahaBlueDog Aug 2013 #3
we already know what the vote will be so only point to have one JI7 Aug 2013 #5
The only consensus the Security Council typically has is "unanimous" or "someone said no." (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #9
Russia and China don't need to; they'll just veto any the other three P-5 members bring up. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2013 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #12
Interesting question. But the burden would be on the US to initiate a resolution, not Russia or Chin reformist2 Aug 2013 #17
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. The UN is good for issuing reports and wringing hands and making speeches.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 06:39 PM
Aug 2013

It has no meaningful role to play in international crises.

Assad is a client of the Russians. They want him kept around at all costs.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
4. Right, which is why I figured they'd call for a Security Council meeting
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 06:42 PM
Aug 2013

I figured they'd work to preemptively work to condemn an attack.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
7. OK, so if the UN is pointless, let's just disband it
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 06:56 PM
Aug 2013

Save time. Save money. Open up some prime NYC real estate.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. It serves the pretense of international decision-making.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 07:10 PM
Aug 2013

Throws small states a bone to make them feel like their voice matters.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
10. The UN's core, indeed possibly sole, role is to prevent great-power warfare
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 07:03 PM
Aug 2013

All the rest, including just about everything people associate with the UN these days, is window dressing. The entire purpose of the organization is "make the Third World War not happen," in part through codifying the current state of the world since 1945. People can be as cynical as they want about the rest, but the safety valve factor it's provided the major powers has probably been more than worth the price.

That said, "no meaningful role" is overstating things just a bit, given that they authorized the Libyan intervention (and avoided a veto in the process, which still surprises me), to say nothing of the handful of ongoing United Nations combat operations around the world lately.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
11. Couldn't Russia or China use it as a springboard to propose a peaceful settlement
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 07:06 PM
Aug 2013

Perhaps Russia could send troops to Syria....

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
3. They generally hold votes and reach some sort of consensus
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 06:41 PM
Aug 2013

I gather they haven't reached one in this instance.

Response to OmahaBlueDog (Original post)

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
17. Interesting question. But the burden would be on the US to initiate a resolution, not Russia or Chin
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 07:12 PM
Aug 2013

After all, it's the US (or the neocons, more accurately) itching to do something. Russia and China want to do nothing.
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