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Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:53 PM Aug 2013

Over 50 House Democrats oppose "unwise war... without adhering to constitutional requirements."



At least 52 co-signers have signed Rep. Barbara Lee's letter, stating, "While the ongoing human rights violations and continued loss of life are horrific, they should not draw us into an unwise war - especially without adhering to our own constitutional requirements."







(Interestingly, in some of the sloppiest reporting of the day, the Washington Post used this letter as the basis for a misleading headline which blared,
"More than 50 House Democrats also want Syria strike resolution",
and began with the line,
"There appears to be notable bipartisan support for a formal congressional resolution authorizing a U.S. military strike on Syria...",
leaving it to those who read beyond the headlines to discover that Democrats were opposing unwise, unauthorized action, and asserting their constitutional responsibilities, not clamoring for military strikes, as the Post's misleading headline suggested.)




The full text of Rep. Lee's letter, available at Rep. Lee's Congressional website:




August 29, 2013

President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

We join you and the international community in expressing unequivocal condemnation over the news that chemical weapons were reportedly used by the government of Syria.

While we understand that as Commander in Chief you have a constitutional obligation to protect our national interests from direct attack, Congress has the constitutional obligation and power to approve military force, even if the United States or its direct interests (such as embassies) have not been attacked or threatened with an attack.

As such, we strongly urge you to seek an affirmative decision of Congress prior to committing any U.S. military engagement to this complex crisis.

While the ongoing human rights violations and continued loss of life are horrific, they should not draw us into an unwise war - especially without adhering to our own constitutional requirements.

We strongly support the work within the United Nations Security Council to build international consensus condemning the alleged use of chemical weapons and preparing an appropriate response; we should also allow the U.N. inspectors the space and time necessary to do their jobs, which are so crucial to ensuring accountability.

As elected officials, we have a duty to represent the will and priorities of our constituents, consistent with the Constitution we all swore to uphold and defend. Before weighing the use of military force, Congress must fully debate and consider the facts and every alternative, as well as determine how best to end the violence and protect civilians. We stand ready to work with you.


http://lee.house.gov/sites/lee.house.gov/files/Lee%20Letter%20to%20President%20Obama_Syria.pdf




















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Over 50 House Democrats oppose "unwise war... without adhering to constitutional requirements." (Original Post) Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 OP
She did a good job JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #1
It's a start. We need more signatories, from both parties. David__77 Aug 2013 #2
It's up to at least 54 Democrats signing Lee's letter today. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #8
KnR. bunnies Aug 2013 #3
I'm glad to see Rep. Keith Ellison's signature. MNBrewer Aug 2013 #4
Rick Nolan's name is also there dflprincess Aug 2013 #25
It's a good start. Autumn Aug 2013 #5
I like this. ananda Aug 2013 #6
Our President needs to hear from us. another_liberal Aug 2013 #7
well put Supersedeas Aug 2013 #10
"He may think he has to attack or we will lose our respect for him" FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #46
No . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #57
Thanks for bringing this thread to my attention DJ13 Aug 2013 #9
K&R! pa28 Aug 2013 #11
Kick! smokey nj Aug 2013 #12
Yup, do it the right way. I hope nothing happens despite the lurid reporting. IDK who to believe. freshwest Aug 2013 #13
+1! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #20
Disappointed not to see my rep on there truebluegreen Aug 2013 #14
Yeah, my knuckle dragger hasn't signed it either. Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #41
K&R a thousand times over. 99Forever Aug 2013 #15
YES!!!! RiverStone Aug 2013 #16
Let me know what happens when they come to congress for more money for this shit. L0oniX Aug 2013 #17
K&R. Not surprised my rep didn't sign. forestpath Aug 2013 #18
Misleading headline & lead should be preserved in annals of bad journalism (nt) philly_bob Aug 2013 #19
K&R! sheshe2 Aug 2013 #21
Thank you for posting, K&R! proverbialwisdom Aug 2013 #22
K&R... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #23
Hooray! City Lights Aug 2013 #24
I think we need to bring war powers back into their constitutional frame RainDog Aug 2013 #26
Me too. How do we ever do that now? The horse has left the barn. :/ nt silvershadow Aug 2013 #27
That's exactly right. Blanks Aug 2013 #50
I'm with Barbara Lee. senseandsensibility Aug 2013 #28
Thank you, Barbara Lee LittleBlue Aug 2013 #29
Great News! Is there a chance this will have some measure of impact? NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #30
Call your Representative and Insist they sign on to this! Ford_Prefect Aug 2013 #31
Every Democratic Representative is not a signer needs to have their telephone ring off the wall. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #32
Mine have, thank goodness. senseandsensibility Aug 2013 #53
K&R! Thanks so much for posting this, a must-read for all of us here! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2013 #33
But, BHO is a CONstitutional Scholar. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #34
I'm happy to see my Congressman's sig there. (nt) PotatoChip Aug 2013 #35
K & R! G_j Aug 2013 #36
k and r Berlum Aug 2013 #37
I think it would be wise to allow a congressional vote before bombing B Calm Aug 2013 #38
Nice to see some people aren't completely bought by The Beast Roland99 Aug 2013 #39
Great to see Diana DeGette, wonder where Jared Polis is. n/t intheflow Aug 2013 #40
Just Yesterday heaven05 Aug 2013 #42
Say it loud, Rep. Lee! DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #43
Maybe they will get a few more supporters and save the President from his "red line"? kentuck Aug 2013 #44
Congress has abdicated their right to declare war which I believe is unconstitutional but wont be rhett o rick Aug 2013 #45
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #47
DURec for Barbara Lee!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #48
Disappointing it's not at least 250 signatures NewJeffCT Aug 2013 #49
Huh! My very own congresscritter, Marcia Fudge, signed it. Beer Swiller Aug 2013 #51
US Miliary involvement with the Congo's leader results in millions truedelphi Aug 2013 #52
i love congresswoman Lee NuttyFluffers Aug 2013 #54
Thank you, Rep. Lee! Precisely Aug 2013 #55
I just sent this to Rick Larsen pscot Sep 2013 #56
This is important backstory which I previously missed. My congressman signed both letters. proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #58

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
1. She did a good job
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:01 PM
Aug 2013

At outlining the need for in depth discussion and caution in our actions. Keith Ellison, Rush Holt, John Lewis etc etc - there are decent people - people of reason and fact - in agreement. I want a full discussion and not knee jerk news articles and "leaks" that I don't believe are happening. They continue to twist everything for advertising dollars.

David__77

(23,329 posts)
2. It's a start. We need more signatories, from both parties.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:06 PM
Aug 2013

We need a majority of the house to call for a vote. I'm ashamed that my congresswoman is not a signatory to this letter.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
7. Our President needs to hear from us.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:19 PM
Aug 2013

Lets not let President Obama down by being too shy or too embarrassed to tell him how we feel. He may think he has to attack or we will lose our respect for him. We have to let him know we will still support him, and we want him to do what is right, even if that means waiting, even if that means taking back a threat to attack.

Tell the President we do not want war with Syria, or with anyone else in the Middle East.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
46. "He may think he has to attack or we will lose our respect for him"
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:59 PM
Aug 2013

Is that sarcasm?

Because if he's REALLY making life-and-death decisions based on whether we'll like him, he's unfit to be POTUS.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
57. No . . .
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 09:19 PM
Sep 2013

I was not intending sarcasm. He is only human and, like most anyone, can be swayed by the whims of the crowd.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. Yup, do it the right way. I hope nothing happens despite the lurid reporting. IDK who to believe.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:33 PM
Aug 2013

Syria is having a civil war. I don't want us to pick a side unless they really want to help all the people of Syria.

Not just their group or have ambitions of ethnic cleansing or slaughtering others as has occured.

And why did McCain go and visit a rebel group, was he trying to make an illegal foreign alliance?

Were they willing to get with his friends who still want to carry out their PNAC objectives?

Obama will likely find a way out of this. Mitt said it needed to be done yesterday and he'd get right on it. Let this old way of doing things pass.

I wonder if Obama was actually counting on the public to reject it so he could avoid it,wanted them to call his bluff. He has tried to stay out of it years despite calls from the RW.

Now the spat of media stories created a crisis atmosphere and he had to react. But it's already Thursday when people said this attack would be starting up.

Let's let go home on this note, and take care of ourselves. I know that may sound selfish. But we need to focus on peace more than ever.

There is an entrenched voting block in this country that does make money off these wars. They need to have something else to do.

That's why as bad as the Sequester is, and it is, the cuts made those who thought they could make money off of war and cover it up with political reasons, had to face it. And some have left it, realized it's not what America wants anymore.

The others will be voting against us in 2014 and 2016. We need to keep moving forward and get more progressives in the Congress.

BTW, Lee has always been a favorite. Not to mention Lewis, etc. This should work.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
17. Let me know what happens when they come to congress for more money for this shit.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:42 PM
Aug 2013

We'll see who votes for the appropriations. Wanna bet on how many Dems will approve? Oh well ...uhm ...you can just see and hear the repukes on the attack about who is not voting to fund our wonderful military during our alignment with Al Quaida. The enemy of our enemy is not going work this time.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
23. K&R...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:14 PM
Aug 2013

Maybe if we start calling our reps (mine is Burgess, he won't listen but will hear anyways) more will jump on the bandwagon.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
26. I think we need to bring war powers back into their constitutional frame
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:17 PM
Aug 2013

let Congress do the job they're supposed to do.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
50. That's exactly right.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 03:25 PM
Aug 2013

I also think that if there is some top secret national security threat that we don't know about that makes our representative government afraid NOT to attack - they need to un-fucking-classify it enough so that they are convincing in their march to war.

So far they haven't told us anything that it wouldn't be more appropriate for the UN to handle.

They want war, they need to convince us that its in our best interest. That's why congress is supposed to declare war. If it isn't popular with a lot of people - it isn't supposed to happen.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
30. Great News! Is there a chance this will have some measure of impact?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:58 PM
Aug 2013

All I can think about is Bush Jr's. shit faced grin, childish chuckle and derp'ish head bob as he proclaimed "I'm a war president now".

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
31. Call your Representative and Insist they sign on to this!
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:21 AM
Aug 2013

We need as much visible support as possible for the idea that ANY military action in Syria is unwise. All the possible actions only make worse a very complicated civil war among groups who share no interest in democratic reform.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
42. Just Yesterday
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 11:47 AM
Aug 2013

I was asking a good friend where the Democrats were on this proposed strike. Thankfully this answers that question. I will forward this info to my friend who will also be happy to see this.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
44. Maybe they will get a few more supporters and save the President from his "red line"?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:54 PM
Aug 2013

Also, it is the legal and constitutional way to go.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. Congress has abdicated their right to declare war which I believe is unconstitutional but wont be
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:47 PM
Aug 2013

challenged.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
48. DURec for Barbara Lee!!!
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:23 PM
Aug 2013
"'Traitor', 'coward', 'communist.' Choose the name, I've been called it in the last few weeks," says Representative Barbara Lee, Democrat of California. "Some of it has been very harsh, very harsh."

The Congresswoman's voice trails off. Along with the name-calling came threats on her life. She moves around Washington these days shadowed by a plainclothes police officer who has been assigned to serve as a 'round-the-clock bodyguard.
What did Lee do to earn such threats?

On September 14, she voted against the House bill that granted President Bush broad authority to use force to counter the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. She was the sole member of Congress to do so. "I am convinced," she said on the House floor, "that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States."

In the face of polls suggesting that close to 90 percent of Americans favored some use of force in response to the attacks, Lee's dissent was risky. "Obviously, this was not a poll-driven decision," she jokes.

Lee objected to several aspects of the resolution. "It did not identify who we were to be fighting," she says. "It did not contain an end strategy. The bottom line is to save lives and to make the world a more peaceful place. We can't do that by moving in a direction that will create a cycle of violence. As a nation, we've got to understand the implications of what we are doing."

She also objected to Congress abdicating its constitutional role.
"Congress," she argues, "has a responsibility to step back and say, 'Let's not rush to judgment.' Let us insist that our democracy works by ensuring the checks and balances are in place and that Congress is part of the decision making process in terms of when we go to war and with whom. This resolution really took away that ability of Congress to play a role, and I don't think that's a good thing. I think we disenfranchised the American people."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Political_Reform/Lone_Dissenter_BLee.html


A GREAT Democrat & Patriot.
We need more leaders like Barbara Lee.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
49. Disappointing it's not at least 250 signatures
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

everybody from the House & Senate together would be over 250.

 

Beer Swiller

(44 posts)
51. Huh! My very own congresscritter, Marcia Fudge, signed it.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 05:30 PM
Aug 2013

She hasn't gone against Obama too often, but this is good to see.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
52. US Miliary involvement with the Congo's leader results in millions
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 06:22 PM
Aug 2013

Dead and wounded, but as long as many horrific deaths are "in our interests," so what, right?

Syria does not like our IMF and World Bank policies, and its national officials refuse to allow such entities to operate inside its borders, so clearly they are not acting in our interests. So no slack for their leader, even if he didn't do it.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
54. i love congresswoman Lee
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:17 PM
Aug 2013

she was my congressional rep until that bastard "neutral panel" redistricted me away! curses!

pscot

(21,024 posts)
56. I just sent this to Rick Larsen
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 02:30 PM
Sep 2013

my Democratic congressman


I note that you have not yet signed Rep. Barbara Lee's letter rejecting an attack on Syria. I'll make this simple: if you don't publicly oppose intervention in Syria and vote against it in Congress, I will never vote for you again.

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