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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:11 PM Aug 2013

"Syria - It Takes More Courage to Say There Is Nothing Outsiders Can Do"

The human misery in Syria is agonising to watch. But intervention-lite is a bad idea for all but the politicians' egos
by Simon Jenkins
The Guardian, Thursday 29 August 2013 18.42 EDT

Something-must-be-done wars have a long and wretched history, notably in the Middle East. It was after Ronald Reagan saw television footage of the Sabra and Shatila massacres in 1982 that he ordered his marines into Beirut. He later withdrew them, leaving 265 American dead and Lebanon with a further decade of ghastly civil conflict.

In 1986, the US tried to kill Libya's Colonel Gaddafi over a terrorist attack in Berlin, merely ensuring a further burst of Gaddafi-sponsored terrorism. In Kosovo in 1999, the Nato bombing of Belgrade did nothing to impede ethnic cleansing, indeed it probably expedited it. What tipped the Russians into forcing Serbia to back down was the threat of a western land invasion.

In 1993, President Clinton bombed Baghdad in retaliation for a claimed plot to kill former president George H Bush. This was followed five years later by the further bombing of Iraq in Operation Desert Fox, this time to deflect attention from the Monica Lewinsky affair. Its declared purpose of eliminating weapons of mass destruction was so botched as to require more bombing and the eventual invasion in 2003. Then as now, the zest for aggression seemed driven as much by the military-industrial complex as by legality or evidence.

Overstating the military and political potency of air power – mostly as a "sending of messages" – is as old as air war itself. Tactical bombing is occasionally effective where, as in Libya and initially in Afghanistan, it is in close support of ground forces. When, as now, it is intended as a soft option to ground action, it merely destroys.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/29/syria-more-courage-to-say-nothing-can-do
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"Syria - It Takes More Courage to Say There Is Nothing Outsiders Can Do" (Original Post) Divernan Aug 2013 OP
CNN had a report that supposedly the US was asked to supply gas masks davidpdx Aug 2013 #1
And "intervention lite" has a way of evolving. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #2
and airstrikes are hardly "lite".... robinlynne Aug 2013 #3
I like that phrase "Something must be done wars". That right there is what sucks us in. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #4
From what I have read here Iliyah Aug 2013 #5
gd kardonb Aug 2013 #7
Christians went into areas like that Iliyah Aug 2013 #8
I don't see how we can support either side in the fight in Syria. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #12
It's possible that if no one else gets involved, it may take some of the fight out of both Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #6
and we never learn. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #9
In this day and age of worldwide instant images travelling at lightspeed... Amonester Aug 2013 #10
But the nuns are still there Iliyah Aug 2013 #11

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
1. CNN had a report that supposedly the US was asked to supply gas masks
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:42 PM
Aug 2013

and the medication to counteract the chemical weapons and did not. We aren't the only ones with those supplies, many of the neighboring countries have them. So I guess this is another thing we are getting blamed for.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. From what I have read here
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:55 AM
Aug 2013

WHO CARES. And you know what, why should I care. It is not here my home town/city/state/country.

Anyone remember Albania?

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
7. gd
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:10 AM
Aug 2013

it is THEIR civil war , let them settle it . STAY OUT OF THE MIDDL EAST MESSES THEY CREATED THEMSELVES !!!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. Christians went into areas like that
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:15 AM
Aug 2013

Nuns. Women and no I will NEVER IN MY LIFE TIME FORGET CHILDREN.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
12. I don't see how we can support either side in the fight in Syria.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:15 AM
Aug 2013

If we could destroy the chemicals, that would be great. But they would just make more.

Assad is not someone we can support. Neither is Al Qaeda.

The other rebel groups may not be large enough to succeed in fighting Assad.

Mr.Bill

(24,253 posts)
6. It's possible that if no one else gets involved, it may take some of the fight out of both
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:58 AM
Aug 2013

sides over there. At least part of what is going on in Syria is being done to draw others in.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
10. In this day and age of worldwide instant images travelling at lightspeed...
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:47 AM
Aug 2013
Empire Dominante has to show the opposing violent machos (frothing-at-the-mouth enemies who would like to dream having a shot at replacing it in the future, sorta) their latest 'deterrent' gear, in order for them to rewind their recorders in loops, repeats in slow-motion, re-repeats in ultra slow-motion, and freeze-frames.


Sad.
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