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John Kerry wants Americans to read the US intel report on Syria for themselves. Here it is in its entirety: http://www.buzzfeed.com/lisatozzi/here-is-the-us-assessment-of-the-syrian-governments-use-of-c
Here Is The U.S. Assessment Of The Syrian Governments Use Of Chemical Weapons
The United States Government assesses with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. posted on August 30, 2013 at 1:10pm EDT
Lisa Tozzi BuzzFeed Staff
A preliminary U.S. government assessment released Thursday states that 1,429 people were killed in the chemical weapons attack earlier this month, including at least 426 children and puts the blame on the Syrian government for the attacks.
(REPORT EMBEDDED here)
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)They all seem to work in the interest of the military industrial complex. How could they possibly have any credibility with the American people at this point?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)pointing out that it was 2 pages on A-4 paper based on Israeli intelligence and did the US really think them daft enough to authorize war over those 2 pages (front and back).
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:30 PM - Edit history (1)
I hadn't heard it was based on Israeli intelligence. Kerry seemed to say it was our own NSA...but, then..I guess with Snowden's release it could definitely come from Israeli intel...because we are tied in with theirs.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)[link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023548127|Israeli intelligence 'intercepted Syrian regime talk about chemical attack']
Information passed to US by Israeli Defence Forces's 8200 unit, former official tells magazine
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
theguardian.com, Wednesday 28 August 2013 09.25 BST
Israeli military intelligence provided key evidence of the Syrian regime's deployment of chemical weapons to US officials last week, according to the German magazine Focus.
The 8200 unit of the Israeli Defence Forces, which specialises in electronic surveillance, intercepted a conversation between Syrian officials regarding the use of chemical weapons, an unnamed former Mossad official told Focus. The content of the conversation was relayed to the US, the ex-official said.
The 8200 unit collects and analyses electronic data, including wiretapped telephone calls and emails. It is the largest unit in the IDF.
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Senior Israeli security officials arrived in Washington on Monday to share the latest results of intelligence gathering, and to review the Syrian crisis with national security adviser Susan Rice.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/28/israeli-intelligence-intercepted-syria-chemical-talk
Do you remember the Office of Special Plans for Iraq?
Not surprisingly, perhaps, it turns out that the same people are responsible for both. According to current and former US intelligence analysts and government officials, the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans funneled information, unchallenged, from Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC) to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, who in turn passed it on to the White House, suggesting that Iraqis would welcome the American invaders. The Office of Special Plans is led by Abram Shulsky, a hawkish neoconservative ideologue who got his start in politics working alongside Elliott Abrams in Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson's office in the 1970s. It was set up in fall 2001 as a two-man shop, but it burgeoned into an eighteen-member nerve center of the Pentagon's effort to distort intelligence about Iraq's WMDs and terrorist connections. A great deal of the bad information produced by Shulsky's office, which found its way into speeches by Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, came from Chalabi's INC. Since the INC itself was sustained by its neocon allies in Washington, including the shadow "Central Command" at the American Enterprise Institute, it stands as perhaps the ultimate example of circular reasoning.
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According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. This unit, which paralleled Shulsky's--and which has not previously been reported--prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans. It was created in Sharon's office, not inside Israel's Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad--which prides itself on extreme professionalism--had views closer to the CIA's, not the Pentagon's, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official.
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http://www.thenation.com/article/more-missing-intelligence
The Iran Syria Policy and Operations Group (ISOG) was an interagency organization formed in early 2006 within the U.S. government, consisting of officials from the State Department, White House, Central Intelligence Agency, Treasury Department, and other agencies that worked, to influence regime change in Iran, and to influence its access to world banking and credit institutions. Co-chaired by Elizabeth Cheney, the daughter of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, and Elliot Abrams, the former staffer for Ronald Reagan who was convicted of two felonies in the Iran-Contra scandal, the secretive group met weekly for about a year, also working to a lesser extent on Syria, in order to encourage regime change.[1] Other members of the group's steering committee were James F. Jeffrey, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, who had headed the Iraq Policy group, and Michael Doran, a Middle East specialist from the White House.
Day to day operations were handled by David Denehy, a senior adviser on Near Eastern Affairs at the State Department, and a former official with the International Republican Institute. The group originally was "housed" in the same Pentagon offices that had housed the Office of Special Plans, the group that laid the groundwork for the United States invasion of Iraq.[2] Before the group's dissoluton, Denehy moved his office from the State Department to the office of the Vice-President and continued to manage the group's affairs from there.[3] The group operated for little more than a year, with a beginning budget of $7 million dollars that grew to $80 million. The group drew public scrutiny when leaks from the State Department revealed that, rather than have the program administered by career State Department staffers, or contracted via a bid process, the program was outsourced to BearingPoint, a private corporation specializing in discreet management, whose previous experience included such tasks as overseeing the "emergent" economic development in former USSR countries, and the more recent privatization of gold mines in Khazakstan. ISOG's first BearingPoint staffers had also been hired to man the controversial Iraq Policy and Operations Group. [4] Critics of the outsourcing maneuver cited it as an effort to circumvent the normal diplomatic channels and federal transparency guidelines and laws.[5]
The group had 5 "pillars:"
a military group that explored military aid to Oman, Bahrain, and United Arab Emirates and sought to influence the flow of weaponry into Iran.
"democracy outreach" group that provided secret financial assistance to groups inside Syria and Iran in an attempt to promote regime change.
an economic "development" group that sought to control Iran's access to credit, and to international banking services
a "special relationships" group that scrutinized the interactions of Iran with Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, and independent terrorist organizations.
a media outreach group that targeted the people of Iran, Syria, and the Persian Gulf region.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Syria_Policy_and_Operations_Group
These criminals just reinvent themselves, new groups, new names, different people in charge but the same bullshit, the same lies, the same methods and the same endgame.
Iran. The grand prize.
You have to look at these things like you look at a 30 year corporate plant the parasitic corporate class is so fond off. Iran was always the grand prize for neocon cold war hawks who think they have to cut Russia off at its knees. Brzezinski, "The Grand Chess Game". They've all been working together for decades on this.
Meanwhile even a 2 year plan to hold on to our social services in the US? Not feasible. Can't afford it. Liars.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)for Background!
malaise
(268,987 posts)Fugg em all.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)malaise
(268,987 posts)Recall Congress or STFU - have the guts to do what the Brits did last night. Stop bullying the fugging world.
Dr Fate
(32,189 posts)And I agree with him 100%.
This is NOT the time to raise taxes on the job creators or any of Kerry's other friends.
We need to have a NEW war NOW- no- yesterday-- and discuss how the middle class will pay for this one later.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Good sarcasm. You're too good at it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)To their credit this is usually classified as well.
I guess videos, photos and satellite imagery would bolster case...that will not be declassed.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)None that I can conceive of.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)If it was the Syrian Government, then find the head of that government and drop a drone.
Use those satellites reported this a.m. On "Democracy Now!" that pinpointed Osama's location for Seal Team Six and drop a drone.
We use them to kill a 15-year-old American citizen so we shouldn't be shy about the head of a government that gassed it's own people.
So...drop a drone.
What's the hue-and-cry all about. Just drop a drone and we'll all be home by 5pm...
KoKo
(84,711 posts)who possibly was responsible. I imagine if that's the case your idea of the Drone would be what they might want to do. Or, think they can do....along with hitting a few of the chemical storage units near borders.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Tell the NSA guys to stop spying on their ex-girlfriends and start sifting. The name of the responsible party has got to be in there somewhere.
Then, once identified, drop a drone.
Simple...
bvar22
(39,909 posts)You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]
KansDem
(28,498 posts)What's complex about what happened. We collect a billion communications a day. Somebody ordered the attack; somebody made the gas; somebody provided the gas.
Somebody is responsible for the gas strikes. Found out who it is and drop a drone on him.
Why is that "simplistic?" Do we really have to have another invasion lasting 10 years of more?
It's not 9/10/2001 anymore...
Catherina
(35,568 posts)"Sounds and Whispers" but the 2013 version should be called "Lies and Whispers"
Don't you know
They're talkin' bout a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
Don't you know
They're talkin' about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
While they're standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in the unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion
Poor people gonna rise up
And get their share
Poor people gonna rise up
And take what's theirs
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/20/ten_years_later_us_has_left
Congressman Jim McDermott on Depleted Uranium in Iraq
http://www.vice.com/read/vice-on-hbo-congressman-jim-mcdermott-on-depleted-uranium-in-iraq
WHOs Iraq Birth Defect Study Omits Causation
http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/07/whos-iraq-birth-defect-study-omits-causation/
Depleted Uranium Weapon Use Persists, Despite Deadly Side Effects
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/2791:depleted-uranium-weapon-use-persists-despite-deadly-side-effects
other links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Iraqi_population
Catherina
(35,568 posts)SURPRISE!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)for all the nice reports and news you have been posting of late on Syria.
And, to say, while Al-jazeera and etc may not be "reputable" for LBN, they are oft used in other forums.
Christ,if we stuck to MSN, we would not know squat.
mick063
(2,424 posts)And 800,000 men, women, and children were butchered in Rwanda.
It is really quite simple to see. There is always more to the story than brutality upon innocent civilians. We have been bystanders to Cambodia, North Korea, etc., etc. One must ask what makes Syria different than the rest.
Our inconsistent message to the world deserves their mistrust. Obviously, we implement "humanitarian" war only if potential profit is in store.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Meaning, is this 'evidence' fabricated? Yes it appears 1,400+ Syrians were killed.
But who did it and how? No really...who and how?
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Trust me! I've changed!
Those other wars meant nothing to me. You're the war for me!
Baby, ya got to believe meeeee!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)What a fucking scam.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It's merely a characterization, with not even a snippet of an extract from an excerpt to back it up.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Two different songs I know but the correlation is there
KG
(28,751 posts)us all those truths about iraq, too.
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...there's a link for a pdf on this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3564193
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I am so pissed right now
all the while knowing that it does no good
it doesn't matter
reality is reality
etc etc etc
but sitting here, knowing full well that more deaths are being planned,
makes me wish I drank.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)desperate minimum wage workers risked what little they have to strike for more money in this great and noble land.
durablend
(7,460 posts)Greedy MOFOS don't realize how good they have it here. FREEDOMS!!!!!! USA!!!! USA!!!! USA!!!! WE'RE NUMBER 1!!!!
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)Is that the same as 'trickle down information'?
Either way it seems to me that the average Joe is going to get soaked. And the stream of trickle does not appear to be water.