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It appears to me that Obama/Kerry are being duped by Saudi Prince Bandar (Bandar Bush), same guy who convinced Bush to lead a '6-week war' to 'get Saddam'
I was struck by this part of Secretary Kerry's speech:
"We know where the rockets were launched from, and at what time. We know where they landed, and when. We know rockets came only from regime-controlled areas and went only to opposition-controlled or contested neighborhoods.
And we know, as does the world, that just 90 minutes later all hell broke loose in the social media. With our own eyes we have seen the thousands of reports from 11 separate sites in the Damascus suburbs. "
90 minutes? Why the delay? In today's world, as the first car pulls away with a victim heading for a hospital, there will be someone in the car tweeting about it.
There were realtime tweets from nearby residents during the operation to kill Bin Laden in Pakistan.
This helpful story linked by TomClash provides a plausible explanation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023565390
EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/
The Saudi-financed rebels in Syria stashed Bandar-supplied chemical weapons in tunnels in neighborhoods they controlled.
Seems to me it is likely that when the Syrian Army shelled the neighborhoods, the rebels then set off the chemical weapons near where the Syrian conventional shells had landed. Social media then started reporting the effects of the chemical weapon attacks, conveniently blamed on the Syrian Army shelling.
Saudi Prince Bandar, coordinator of Saudi aid to Syria rebels, is well known to be trying to enlist US help in toppling Assad. Here's a Wall Street Journal story:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323423804579024452583045962.html
It is really tough for me to believe that John Kerry, Vietnam vet and war resister, could be knowingly urging US military strikes based on lies. It appears to me he is being duped by a Bandar Bush false flag operation.
I really hope the truth penetrates the highest echelon of Washington BEFORE any strikes occur. I have a very black, ominous feeling about these upcoming US strikes on Syria (and the likely retalitaion against Israel that I expect from Syria).
I sent emails to the president and SOS today, strongly opposing military strikes on Syria. The White House comment line was busy, I never got through. Hope that's a good sign that lots of people are calling in opposing strikes, and that it gives Obama second thoughts.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Sodium hyperchlorite containers and others at an insurgent site.
Mix that with hydrochloric acid and you got chlorine big time.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)mentioned are used in the manufacture of Sarin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)If Japanese terrorists can get ahold of Sarin, I'm confident that Bandar and his minions can, too.
For all I know, Bandar got it from his CIA buddies. Wouldn't surprise me.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)If the rebels wanted to get and use Sarin and blame it on the Syrian government, it makes a lot more sense to break into Syrian government repositories. The benefit then is that the chemical signature, if any, would have matched Syrian manufactured Sarin.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I expect the House of Saud could bankroll an effort to make oodles of it.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)The dogs of war bark and the caravan is Tomahawked. Amid out-of-control hysteria, the proverbial unnamed US officials spin like demented centrifuges.
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The evidence points to rockets launched from a Syrian army post near Damascus which Finnish researcher Petri Krohn, currently conducting a meticulous investigation, conclusively placed as occupied by the rebels since June. (scroll down to Qaboun rocket launches)
Add to it the Defense Ministry in Baghdad, one month ago, dismantling an Al-Qaeda cell in Iraq that was planning to launch attacks in Iraq and abroad, as in Syria, using chemical weapons.
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So here we have all the elements of a sophisticated false flag operation. Jabhat al-Nusra jihadis, mostly mercenaries, connected to al-Qaeda in Iraq, but with no connection with Syrian civilians, including women and children, use an area formerly occupied by the Syrian army to launch a chemical attack perhaps using chlorine under the cover of a Syrian offensive (admitted by the government). The offensive was codenamed Operation City Shield. Damascus had solid intel about scores of rebels trained by the CIA and the Saudis in Jordan converging to the area and planning a massive attack on the capital.
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http://rt.com/op-edge/war-chemical-weapons-obama-syria-120/
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)How you always come up with article and info that make us question the M$M is amazing. And appreciated. People like you are a wonderful source. Praise DU!!
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)So I Googled "Pepe Escobar Syria"....
NealK
(1,791 posts)Not another one living in Brazil!!1!!
I see you know, but for others....
Pepe's the real deal....
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html
KoKo
(84,711 posts)"Text/Link!"
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Pretty please
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack"
...rebels did it? Sounds like Assad apologia.
Amnesty International on use of chemical weapons in Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023555922
NealK
(1,791 posts)This is tiresome, you are less credible and you look like a narcissist.
" Sigh, why don't you directly link to articles instead of your own posts?"
...you want me to give credibility to Assad apologia?
"This is tiresome, you are less credible and you look like a narcissist. "
Take a nap, and lose the lame psychoanalysis.
"..you want me to give credibility to Assad apologia?"
WTF are you talking about? I said that when you reply you should do like most DUers do and link to the original article(s) and not to one of your posts. AFAIK you're the only one here doing that, hense the comment about you being a narcissist seeking attention.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"WTF are you talking about? I said that when you reply you should do like most DUers do and link to the original article(s) and not to one of your posts. AFAIK you're the only one here doing that, hense the comment about you being a narcissist seeking attention. "
...didn't ask for your advice on how I should post. Why the hell are you spending time worrying about this, and what other posters are doing?
Did you mean "hence"?
Again, lose the lame psychonalysis, it's creepy.
NealK
(1,791 posts)You break my heart.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)I think I'll withhold judgment until I've seen a credible news source for this story. The articles I've read are claiming it's an AP reporter, yet the AP says nothing about it on their site and it turns out that this reporter works for the Mint Press News (as you mention) which is merely "affiliated" with the AP. Which means they probably run AP stories from time to time.
Their website's About Us page indicates no affiliation whatsoever, as far as I can tell. So, again, I'll withhold judgment and not make assumptions until the story has been confirmed by credible sources. I'd urge everyone here to do the same.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Questions about the CIA operations have kind of fallen into the vortex of Benghazi conspiracy theories -- but it seems undeniable that something screwy was going on and that it was very likely connected with Syria. That's reason enough to reexamine the questions in light of recent events.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-secret-cia-mission-in-benghazi-2013-8
Collectively these details raise the question of what the CIA knew, given that Agency operatives in Libya were rounding up SA-7s, ostensibly to destroy them, while operatives in southern Turkey were funneling weapons to the rebels.
The State Department told CNN that it was not involved in any transfer of weapons to other countries, but it "can't speak for any other agencies."
Ambassador Stevens certainly would have known if the new Libyan government was sending 400 tons of heavy weapons to Turkey from Benghazi's port.
Just like the CIA would know if those the weapons arrived in Turkey and began showing up in Syria.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/source-cia-was-smuggling-weapons-to-syrian-rebels-during-benghazi-embassy-attack/5345037
The CIA was smuggling weapons from Libyan weapons depots to the Syrian rebels during the 2012 attack on the US embassy in Benghazi. According to a report by CNN, an unnamed source has leaked that the alleged cover-up of the circumstances around the attack is to hide the reality of the smuggling, which occurred before the escalation of the Syrian civil war. This shows that the CIA has been arming the Syrian rebels since at least September 2012. The agents were running the operation out of the Benghazi annex, which has been reported as a secret safehouse of the CIA in the city, not far from the embassy. ...
A new source told CNN that there were dozens of people working for the CIA [...] on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Source: UK Telegraph
Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia's gas contracts if the Kremiln backs away from the Assad regieme in Syria
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10266957/Saudis-offer-Russia-secret-oil-deal-if-it-drops-Syria.html
[More detail here: http://rt.com/news/bandar-putin-assad-saudi-188/|Saudi Arabia dangles lucrative arms deal in front of Russia in exchange for dropping Assad]
Our little neocon friend Prince Bandar told Putin he was making that offer the full backing of the US since the US hadn't been able to get Russia to budge at the Security Council.
From AFP: Moscow rejects Saudi offer to drop Assad for arms deal
"Every two years, Bandar bin Sultan meets his Russian counterparts, but this time, he wanted to meet the head of state," said a European diplomat who shuttles between Beirut and Damascus.
"During the meeting at the Kremlin, the Saudi official explained to his interlocutor that Riyadh is ready to help Moscow play a bigger role in the Middle East at a time when the United States is disengaging from the region".
This is where it gets funny
The Saudi prince also reassured Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in the Saudis' hands and will not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports, the diplomat said.
This is where it gets obscene
In 2009, Assad refused to sign an agreement with Qatar for an overland pipeline running from the Gulf to Europe via Syria to protect the interests of its Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplied of natural gas.
An Arab diplomat with contacts in Moscow said: "President Putin listened politely to his interlocutor and let him know that his country would not change its strategy."
"Bandar bin Sultan then let the Russians know that the only option left in Syria was military and that they should forget about Geneva because the opposition would not attend."
This is where it gets more obscene:
Putin thanked King Abdullah for his greetings and Bandar for his exposition, but then he said to Bandar, We know that you have supported the Chechen terrorist groups for a decade. And that support, which you have frankly talked about just now, is completely incompatible with the common objectives of fighting global terrorism that you mentioned. We are interested in developing friendly relations according to clear and strong principles.
Bandar said that the matter is not limited to the kingdom and that some countries have overstepped the roles drawn for them, such as Qatar and Turkey. He added, We said so directly to the Qataris and to the Turks. We rejected their unlimited support to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere. The Turks role today has become similar to Pakistans role in the Afghan war. We do not favor extremist religious regimes, and we wish to establish moderate regimes in the region. It is worthwhile to pay attention to and to follow up on Egypts experience. We will continue to support the [Egyptian] army, and we will support Defense Minister Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi because he is keen on having good relations with us and with you. And we suggest to you to be in contact with him, to support him and to give all the conditions for the success of this experiment. We are ready to hold arms deals with you in exchange for supporting these regimes, especially Egypt.
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Putin: Our stance on Assad will not change
Regarding the Syrian issue, the Russian president responded to Bandar, saying, Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters. During the Geneva I Conference, we agreed with the Americans on a package of understandings, and they agreed that the Syrian regime will be part of any settlement. Later on, they decided to renege on Geneva I. In all meetings of Russian and American experts, we reiterated our position.
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Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2013/08/saudi-russia-putin-bandar-meeting-syria-egypt.html
The Russian articles have even more details but that's the basic gist of that massive obscenity.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)THIS G-20 meeting should be interesting, to say the least.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I didn't know Saudis were backing the Chechens. And threatening an attack on the Olympics? Shits getting heavy.
Caretha
(2,737 posts)the key to this might be Saudia Arabia's Bandar bin Sultan. I just googled this guy and some very interesting connections & info popped up that seems to have a lot to do with what is happening in Syria. Start with this link from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan
then this one:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323423804579024452583045962.html
and don't miss this one:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-27/meet-saudi-arabias-bandar-bin-sultan-puppetmaster-behind-syrian-war
LukeFL
(594 posts)Du "experts" are getting me board
You feel like wood? Sounds like a personal problem to me...........Yawn
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)"We know where the rockets were launched from, and at what time. We know where they landed, and when. We know rockets came only from regime-controlled areas and went only to opposition-controlled or contested neighborhoods..."
-- Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003
"We know that the regime has them; we know that as the regime collapses we will be led to them."
--Tony Blair, April 8, 2003
"We have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. This is what this war was about and is about."
--Ari Fleischer, April 10, 2003
And yet...
Why thwart the UN inspection? Why the rush? Does this smell right? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023567176
chervilant
(8,267 posts)The stench of corruption is wafting all over this morass.