Fuck you Richard Engel

[malaise]

You live off war. Go fuck yourself. You are a long time defender of the neo-cons.

[madinmaryland]

1. A little context would be appreciated. Thanks.

[malaise]

3. He's on M$NBComcast saying that the people i Syria will be disappointed

He will be - no fix for him this time around.
Obama is correct - let Congress vote.

[jollyreaper2112]

6. Never gotten that vibe off of him

There may be some adrenaline junkie in him to make him cover what he does but I don't see him as one or the bad guys. Usually he's got the most balanced reporting coming out of the areas in question.

[ananda]

7. Agree.

I see Engel as one of the more decent war correspondents.

[Little Star]

12. Me too.

[Surya Gayatri]

29. Me three...not a drum thumper, IMHO.

[AngryOldDem]

14. I haven't either.

But I'm not surprised that some spin his reporting in this way.

He's right up there with Christiane Amanpour in terms of really understanding the issues and complexities involved in what he's covering.

YMMV, however.

[Andy823]

19. I agree also. nt

[winter is coming]

25. +1. n/t

[Supersedeas]

47. I agree. Engle is usually a trusted reporter

What he is saying is not all that surprising really. The President had previously indicated that he was ready to go with an attack with or without help...now that President is saying that any action will have to wait on a vote of Congress.

Of course, those who heard the previous message are going to be disappointed.

[Little Star]

13. The people of Syria may well be diappointed, he's just reporting, not cheerleading, imho.

[Rowdyboy]

15. Did you see his reaction? I was completely stunned. I've always admired him greatly but he had me

screaming at the television today over his cheerleading for airstrikes. I really didn't expect that from him.

[Little Star]

18. No I didn't see that today, I took a nap. But I've never seen him cheer-lead anything before...

Maybe he feels the air strikes need to be done? Maybe the people of Syria has convinced him?

Do you happen to have a link that I could see this for myself? Maybe I would change my mind.

[Rowdyboy]

20. Sorry, we were just watching on MSNBC. I've never seen him say anything CLOSE to this before.

Unlike many in this thread, I've always liked the guy a lot and usually would give him the benefit of the doubt.

All I can imagine is that you are right and the Syrian rebels have convinced him. Sorry I can't help with a link but I'm sure he'll be on some of the Sunday talk shows and we'll get a chance to hear it again.

It just seemed totally out of character.

[Little Star]

21. Sounded out of character to me also. But maybe this time I could be wrong, who knows?....

but I'll try watching to see if I can catch him on the Sunday talk shows. Thanks.

[Rowdyboy]

22. This is not the first clip I saw-he's not quite so angry here but the gist is the same

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/52893515/#52893515

[Little Star]

24. Thanks. But he just seems to be reporting what he is seeing and hearing on the ground....

not what he personally thinks, imho. He is a reporter after all.

[Rowdyboy]

31. In his original response he appeared much angrier, at least in my opinion

He makes the same points in the link I posted, just with less vehemence.

I personally think the President made the best of a horrific situation-Engel most definitely disagreed and clearly favored a much stronger reaction. But my whole week has been an emotional rollercoaster so I'm probably not the best judge of things right now.

Regardless, its nice to have a disagreement with someone on DU who doesn't resort to name-calling or personal animosity.

[jollyreaper2112]

44. Ha

Happy to oblige ya, ya smeghead!

[gopiscrap]

2. I agree the guy's an asswipe.

[polichick]

4. Just like the mic, he has no job without war.

[Little Star]

26. Would you rather we have no war correspondents reporting what they hear & see on the ground?....

I wouldn't. He's just doing his job of reporting what people there think, feel and say.

[polichick]

32. I didn't say that.

[Little Star]

38. Well it sounded like you were bad mouthing him for doing his job....

If you weren't, I apologize.

[polichick]

41. No worries...

I was just pointing out that a lot of jobs depend upon war.

[Little Star]

42. Yes. Jobs & money for the MIC.

[cali]

5. No, he's not. I don't always agree with him but he's not as you characterize.

and I hate to break this to you but the biggest proponent of strikes is the President.

[liberalhistorian]

8. I think a little traveling

music would be a good accompaniment here:

Of course, my favorite part is toward the end when someone shouts it at Cheney on the teevee as he's yammering away about Katrina and "what to do with all of the debris" (the hell with the human toll, of course, but this IS Darth Cheney we're talking about here).

[Rowdyboy]

9. He was positively foaming at the mouth about "the children" etc..Resign your job and join the rebels

if war is that damned important to you.

[mulsh]

10. I"ve always liked Mr. Engle's reporting. I bet the folk who de-brief him at

the Pentagon and CIA like him too.

[bluedigger]

11. Yeah, he never, ever, puts his skin in the game.

Just another neocon chickenhawk with no right to share his uninformed opinion.

[Little Star]

16. Your kidding right? He has put his life in danger many, many times just to report from the streets.

I really like Richard Engel's reporting. He tells it like he sees/hears it from right there in the streets.

He is one of the few foreign reporters I trust to tell it like it is.

[bluedigger]

23. I guess I needed the sarcasm smilie.

I thought I went over the top enough.

[Little Star]

27. I suck at sarcasm :( sorry.

[KoKo]

17. It was pretty disappointing

having not watched him reporting since Iraq War... He seemed to be urging a strike. When he knows very well that the consequences of a strike would kill even more innocents since the wealthy have already escaped the city...it's only the poor who are left to deal with the bombing and aftermath.

[fredamae]

28. Engle totally surprised me

I heard him on tv--then thought WTF Is That? Ran in and it was Engle! Wow is right!

[SoCalDem]

35. He's on the ground, and the rebels have "adopted" him.

He's usually surrounded by rebels who all know he understands & speaks Arabic.. He's in the middle of a mob, and sometimes has to emulate their fervor....to stay alive..

[fredamae]

46. How easy for

me to jump to conclusions. I never even considered that possibility.
I've always liked Engle--so, yea-I was surprised, Thanks for the different perspective.

[dkf]

30. I'm sure being on the ground must be heart breaking so I will give him a pass.

I'm sure he wishes we had the capacity to go in and make it all right, but we don't.

[Barack_America]

33. Ha. I dare you to walk a step in his shoes.

Jesus, it is possible to disagree with people on occasion without having to tell them to fuck off.

Engel is without question a voice to be listened to, whether you always agree with what he has to say or not.

[malaise]

34. When Engel et al are ready to present the facts about the different

competing interests in the region I'll listen. He is a biased one sided pro-US journalist.

[proverbialwisdom]

36. In his own words, more.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/28/20232943-what-happens-after-a-strike-on-syria-it-depends-on-how-far-the-us-goes?lite
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/28/20232943-what-happens-after-a-strike-on-syria-it-depends-on-how-far-the-us-goes#comments

[malaise]

37. One more paid

neo-con hack.
We love to romanticize war correspondents. Sorry - I'll have no part of that.

[proverbialwisdom]

39. I put the guy on mute or change the channel on sight, personally.

This is worth the time: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/29/syria_debate_does_us_have_the

[malaise]

40. I switched to the US Open tennis

[proverbialwisdom]

43. GOP CONGRESSMAN: Military Members Keep Telling Me To Vote No On Syria

http://www.businessinsider.com/justin-amash-military-no-syria-2013-8

GOP CONGRESSMAN: Military Members Keep Telling Me To Vote No On Syria
PAUL SZOLDRA AUG. 31, 2013, 7:29 PM

https://twitter.com/repjustinamash/status/373932995457318912

Since Amash's initial tweet, he's been retweeting comments that have been sent in from military members and veterans. Many of my own military sources have expressed reservations with action in Syria, especially following service in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Here's a sampling:

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[Jasana]

45. It seems like "Go Fuck Youself" are very apt words...

to sling around DU this morning. I'm trying desperately not to use it. I'm just running around from thread to thread screaming "NO! "NO!" "NO!" But you and I know what I'd really like to say.

[Hayabusa]

48. Well, considering he was kidnapped and psychologically tortured by Assad loyalists...

I'd expect him to be a little gung-ho on this.

Of course, there are theories that say it was a separate rebel group.